@Corsair George , I'd like to see a review for the 600Q from http://www.silentpcreview.com/ , or is it too much like an upside down P180?
I really like this case, and it looks well thought out. One of the little things that I noticed was the 8 expansion slots. IMHO, there will be a lot of these used for workstations. I still like solid tops and optical drives.
What I don't like:
- The marketing pictures with the fans blowing out on the bottom.
- What you have to go through to get to the front air filters.
- The bottom air filter is accessed from the rear. (actually, with it being magnetic, will a person have to tip the case over?)
@Kursah I hardly think I'm abrasive.
Like you I tend to plan my systems to run very cool. I just dislike when a company rep comes in and says everybody is aware of this and doing it, when in fact everyone but the OEM industry has gone away from the suggested ATX standard...
Processor | Core i9-9900k |
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Motherboard | ASRock Z390 Phantom Gaming 6 |
Cooling | All air: 2x140mm Fractal exhaust; 3x 140mm Cougar Intake; Enermax ETS-T50 Black CPU cooler |
Memory | 32GB (2x16) Mushkin Redline DDR-4 3200 |
Video Card(s) | ASUS RTX 4070 Ti Super OC 16GB |
Storage | 1x 1TB MX500 (OS); 2x 6TB WD Black; 1x 2TB MX500; 1x 1TB BX500 SSD; 1x 6TB WD Blue storage (eSATA) |
Display(s) | Infievo 27" 165Hz @ 2560 x 1440 |
Case | Fractal Design Define R4 Black -windowed |
Audio Device(s) | Soundblaster Z |
Power Supply | Seasonic Focus GX-1000 Gold |
Mouse | Coolermaster Sentinel III (large palm grip!) |
Keyboard | Logitech G610 Orion mechanical (Cherry Brown switches) |
Software | Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (Start10 & Fences 3.0 installed) |
Okay I see where I misunderstood what you were saying.
When I said "everybody is aware of this" I meant guys who sell aftermarket PSUs to system builders and gamers. Not HP/Dell/etc. Those guys are buying $6-$10 PSUs in bulk that are designed to exactly match the system they're building, and a lot of them are custom or very close to it. Every length of wire, connector, etc, is determined as to whether it's necessary or not. I opened a Dell desktop a couple years ago that had two SATA connectors on the PSU, spaced perfectly for the ODD and the HDD, and no extra connector at all if I wanted to add a second drive. Because the connector costs money.
What I was talking about was guys like us, Thermaltake, Antec, Cooler Master, EVGA, Seasonic, etc. We are all making standard ATX sized PSUs, designed for the needs of the enthusiast/aftermarket community. In these systems, over the past few years, the PSUs have gotten worlds better. When we started making PSUs 9 years ago, it was still very common to see stuff rated at room temperature, rated at Peak output, or just flat-out mislabeled. Stuff that didn't keep its voltage regulation or ripple in check at all, and efficiency and audible noise was hilariously bad. Look at the old PC Power & Cooling TurboCool 1KW. At the time it came out it was the first 1KW PSU for enthusiasts, and it was horrifically inefficient and insanely loud. Even their "Silencer" series is loud and hot by today's standards.
But nowadays, the PSU market is built completely for overkill.
Here's an example of what was considered a gaming/enthusiast PSU from 2006:
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story3&reid=11
650W, $120. When heated up it dropped in performance spectacularly. Group regulated so it performed differently depending on what you plugged into it. Generally a cheap, crappy design with efficiency in the 75% range.
Here's an example of our RM650i from 2015:
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story6&reid=445
650W, $129. When heated up it does not affect performance. Individually regulated so it performs identically no matter what rail is loaded with what. A highly efficient design that never drops below 85% efficiency and can peak in the 90% range. Fully modular cables, built-in software monitoring.
Most importantly, notice the capacitors and other internal components, like the fan. The first unit uses off-brand, 85C rated caps. The RM650i uses 100% Japanese 105C rated capacitors. The fan we use is a rifle bearing fan with a hilariously long lifespan, and very quiet operation. The unit is rated at 50C, as well.
When the ATX enthusiast cases with PSUs were being designed in 2005/2006, the PSU was moved to the bottom not just for the PSU's sake - although that was a benefit for cheap, crappy PSUs like the former - but it was also a benefit for overall case cooling. After all now you could put a huge 200mm fan on top or a couple of 120mm fans on top and exhaust more hot air out of the case than the PSU could move.
Today, those same PSUs are so overbuilt that they can operate in much more drastic conditions without affecting their performance.
To put it simply - today's enthusiast PSUs are so overspecified and underutilized that the "cold air from the bottom of the case" makes nearly no practical difference to their operation or longevity, provided you aren't buying some bottom-of-the-barrel $20 thing on Black Friday.
System Name | Kursah's Gaming Rig 2018 (2022 Upgrade) - Ryzen+ Edition | Gaming Laptop (Lenovo Legion 5i Pro 2022) |
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Processor | R7 5800X @ Stock | i7 12700H @ Stock |
Motherboard | Asus ROG Strix X370-F Gaming BIOS 6203| Legion 5i Pro NM-E231 |
Cooling | Noctua NH-U14S Push-Pull + NT-H1 | Stock Cooling |
Memory | TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z 32GB (2x16) DDR4 4000 @ 3600 18-20-20-42 1.35v | 32GB DDR5 4800 (2x16) |
Video Card(s) | Palit GeForce RTX 4070 JetStream 12GB | CPU-based Intel Iris XE + RTX 3070 8GB 150W |
Storage | 4TB SP UD90 NVME, 960GB SATA SSD, 2TB HDD | 1TB Samsung OEM NVME SSD + 4TB Crucial P3 Plus NVME SSD |
Display(s) | Acer 28" 4K VG280K x2 | 16" 2560x1600 built-in |
Case | Corsair 600C - Stock Fans on Low | Stock Metal/Plastic |
Audio Device(s) | Aune T1 mk1 > AKG K553 Pro + JVC HA-RX 700 (Equalizer APO + PeaceUI) | Bluetooth Earbuds (BX29) |
Power Supply | EVGA 750G2 Modular + APC Back-UPS Pro 1500 | 300W OEM (heavy use) or Lenovo Legion C135W GAN (light) |
Mouse | Logitech G502 | Logitech M330 |
Keyboard | HyperX Alloy Core RGB | Built in Keyboard (Lenovo laptop KB FTW) |
Software | Windows 11 Pro x64 | Windows 11 Home x64 |
Processor | Core i9-9900k |
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Motherboard | ASRock Z390 Phantom Gaming 6 |
Cooling | All air: 2x140mm Fractal exhaust; 3x 140mm Cougar Intake; Enermax ETS-T50 Black CPU cooler |
Memory | 32GB (2x16) Mushkin Redline DDR-4 3200 |
Video Card(s) | ASUS RTX 4070 Ti Super OC 16GB |
Storage | 1x 1TB MX500 (OS); 2x 6TB WD Black; 1x 2TB MX500; 1x 1TB BX500 SSD; 1x 6TB WD Blue storage (eSATA) |
Display(s) | Infievo 27" 165Hz @ 2560 x 1440 |
Case | Fractal Design Define R4 Black -windowed |
Audio Device(s) | Soundblaster Z |
Power Supply | Seasonic Focus GX-1000 Gold |
Mouse | Coolermaster Sentinel III (large palm grip!) |
Keyboard | Logitech G610 Orion mechanical (Cherry Brown switches) |
Software | Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (Start10 & Fences 3.0 installed) |
Anyways...I gotta stop coming to this thread...I keep checking the links and pics...makes me want to do bad things with my credit card.
System Name | Harley |
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Processor | Intel core i7 3820 |
Motherboard | ASRock Extreme6 X79 |
Cooling | NZXT Kraken X60 |
Memory | Geil Enhance Corsa DDR3 1600+ 16GB |
Video Card(s) | EVGA SuperClocked GTX Titan |
Storage | OCZ Vertex4 128GB SSD / Toshiba 7200 2TB HDD |
Display(s) | Crossover 30" 2560x1600 |
Case | CoolerMaster HAF XB - Custom Modded |
Audio Device(s) | n/a |
Power Supply | CoolerMaster Silent Pro Hybrid 1300w |
Software | Win7 64 |
System Name | Widow |
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Processor | Ryzen 7600x |
Motherboard | AsRock B650 HDVM.2 |
Cooling | CPU : Corsair Hydro XC7 }{ GPU: EK FC 1080 via Magicool 360 III PRO > Photon 170 (D5) |
Memory | 32GB Gskill Flare X5 |
Video Card(s) | GTX 1080 TI |
Storage | Samsung 9series NVM 2TB and Rust |
Display(s) | Predator X34P/Tempest X270OC @ 120hz / LG W3000h |
Case | Fractal Define S [Antec Skeleton hanging in hall of fame] |
Audio Device(s) | Asus Xonar Xense with AKG K612 cans on Monacor SA-100 |
Power Supply | Seasonic X-850 |
Mouse | Razer Naga 2014 |
Software | Windows 11 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | FFXIV ARR Benchmark 12,883 on i7 2600k 15,098 on AM5 7600x |
System Name | Dumbass |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7800X3D |
Motherboard | ASUS TUF gaming B650 |
Cooling | Artic Liquid Freezer 2 - 420mm |
Memory | G.Skill Sniper 32gb DDR5 6000 |
Video Card(s) | GreenTeam 4070 ti super 16gb |
Storage | Samsung EVO 500gb & 1Tb, 2tb HDD, 500gb WD Black |
Display(s) | 1x Nixeus NX_EDG27, 2x Dell S2440L (16:9) |
Case | Phanteks Enthoo Primo w/8 140mm SP Fans |
Audio Device(s) | onboard (realtek?) - SPKRS:Logitech Z623 200w 2.1 |
Power Supply | Corsair HX1000i |
Mouse | Steeseries Esports Wireless |
Keyboard | Corsair K100 |
Software | windows 10 H |
Benchmark Scores | https://i.imgur.com/aoz3vWY.jpg?2 |
Processor | Core i9-9900k |
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Motherboard | ASRock Z390 Phantom Gaming 6 |
Cooling | All air: 2x140mm Fractal exhaust; 3x 140mm Cougar Intake; Enermax ETS-T50 Black CPU cooler |
Memory | 32GB (2x16) Mushkin Redline DDR-4 3200 |
Video Card(s) | ASUS RTX 4070 Ti Super OC 16GB |
Storage | 1x 1TB MX500 (OS); 2x 6TB WD Black; 1x 2TB MX500; 1x 1TB BX500 SSD; 1x 6TB WD Blue storage (eSATA) |
Display(s) | Infievo 27" 165Hz @ 2560 x 1440 |
Case | Fractal Design Define R4 Black -windowed |
Audio Device(s) | Soundblaster Z |
Power Supply | Seasonic Focus GX-1000 Gold |
Mouse | Coolermaster Sentinel III (large palm grip!) |
Keyboard | Logitech G610 Orion mechanical (Cherry Brown switches) |
Software | Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (Start10 & Fences 3.0 installed) |
Im still waiting for the day that vid cards get redesigned right side up.
Im still waiting for the day that vid cards get redesigned right side up.
System Name | Widow |
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Processor | Ryzen 7600x |
Motherboard | AsRock B650 HDVM.2 |
Cooling | CPU : Corsair Hydro XC7 }{ GPU: EK FC 1080 via Magicool 360 III PRO > Photon 170 (D5) |
Memory | 32GB Gskill Flare X5 |
Video Card(s) | GTX 1080 TI |
Storage | Samsung 9series NVM 2TB and Rust |
Display(s) | Predator X34P/Tempest X270OC @ 120hz / LG W3000h |
Case | Fractal Define S [Antec Skeleton hanging in hall of fame] |
Audio Device(s) | Asus Xonar Xense with AKG K612 cans on Monacor SA-100 |
Power Supply | Seasonic X-850 |
Mouse | Razer Naga 2014 |
Software | Windows 11 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | FFXIV ARR Benchmark 12,883 on i7 2600k 15,098 on AM5 7600x |
I don't see the point of this.
System Name | Dumbass |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7800X3D |
Motherboard | ASUS TUF gaming B650 |
Cooling | Artic Liquid Freezer 2 - 420mm |
Memory | G.Skill Sniper 32gb DDR5 6000 |
Video Card(s) | GreenTeam 4070 ti super 16gb |
Storage | Samsung EVO 500gb & 1Tb, 2tb HDD, 500gb WD Black |
Display(s) | 1x Nixeus NX_EDG27, 2x Dell S2440L (16:9) |
Case | Phanteks Enthoo Primo w/8 140mm SP Fans |
Audio Device(s) | onboard (realtek?) - SPKRS:Logitech Z623 200w 2.1 |
Power Supply | Corsair HX1000i |
Mouse | Steeseries Esports Wireless |
Keyboard | Corsair K100 |
Software | windows 10 H |
Benchmark Scores | https://i.imgur.com/aoz3vWY.jpg?2 |
Hell yeah! I really don't see why they can't build it the other way.
System Name | Intel® X99 Wellsburg |
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Processor | Intel® Core™ i7-5820K - 4.5GHz |
Motherboard | ASUS Rampage V E10 (1801) |
Cooling | EK RGB Monoblock + EK XRES D5 Revo Glass PWM |
Memory | CMD16GX4M4A2666C15 |
Video Card(s) | ASUS GTX1080Ti Poseidon |
Storage | Samsung 970 EVO PLUS 1TB /850 EVO 1TB / WD Black 2TB |
Display(s) | Samsung P2450H |
Case | Lian Li PC-O11 WXC |
Audio Device(s) | CREATIVE Sound Blaster ZxR |
Power Supply | EVGA 1200 P2 Platinum |
Mouse | Logitech G900 / SS QCK |
Keyboard | Deck 87 Francium Pro |
Software | Windows 10 Pro x64 |
System Name | Main |
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Processor | 8350 @ comfy 4.5GHz |
Motherboard | Asus Crosshair V |
Cooling | H110 with Noctuas |
Memory | 16GB Gskill 1600 DDR3 |
Video Card(s) | Asus 290 DirectCU |
Storage | 840 Pro 256GB, 120GB Corsair Force 3, 500GB Seagate Hybrid for 2nd OS and storage |
Display(s) | Dell 2713HM |
Case | Corsair 780T |
Audio Device(s) | Audioengine D1, A5+, AS8 |
Power Supply | Corsair AX860 |
Mouse | G700s wired |
Keyboard | Coolermaster Trigger, Brown Switches |
Software | Win 10 Pro |
The intake fan that brings in fresh air is like 4" away from the GPU.