Cpu cooler suggestion for locked cpu i5 4440

[jboydgolfer]

The Scythe Mugen Max ($37 last time I looked) vastly outperforms the C7 and Hyper 212 and, is fact is on par with or tops the performance (depending on review) the $90 flagships from Cryorig (R1 Ultimate) and Noctua (NH-D15). Another option comparable to the Mugen is the Scythe Fuma.

yes, your right, but its the size of a pumpkin srsly tho, it is pretty big. i like Scythe a LOT, they are imo, one of the best companies around, and I had a relationship wit hthem years back, so i have tested a great deal of theyre offerings, but an almost 720G weight is no small cooler(145x86x161mm) . but if you like good coolers, Scythe is a great choice, & theyre support is amazing

the evo is a different class all together.
465g weight almost half the mugen)
120 x 80 x 159 mm

so its a lower grade/class solution, kind of apples and oranges, but the price makes it seem like they should be in the same class.
id pick the mugen if you needed the top tier cooling for a high heat Chip.


thats one REALLY big cooler also a small mobo) about $45usd

i like the 212 not becasue its the best at what it does, but becasue its Good at what it does, without having to require two people to pick it up and it fits well in all builds.

 

[IceShroom]

OP, both of these coolers are waste for a 84 Watt CPU. But if you want buy one of the two coolers, go for the MSI Core Frozr L. Its a new cooler and has support for current sockets.
Here is a review of it with sound test :

 

[vega22]

i think upgrading cooling with a plan to reuse it in the future is a great idea right now ( forsilly nand and gpu price reasons). as other have said there can be issues but imo if you buy from one of the better brands you will have no compatibility issues down the road as they will make and provide updated mounts when and where possible.

brands like thermalright, noctua and scythe are about as good as it gets for my money. i would look at what they do for the money you want to spend and then ask around/google as to which is better for your current and possible future needs.

212 evo is a great entry cooler and about the best bang per buck you will find.

 

[jboydgolfer]

I'm kind of curious why the stock cooler is too loud? OP mentioned it served him fine for three years but now it's too noisy for him ,and he rather an aftermarket solution. The stock cooler should be perfectly Acceptable for a chip like his ,which would cost nothing. I'm wondering if it just needs a cleaning or a new fan. There's different types of Intel stock cooler. Some of the lower end i3 chips come with an all silver aluminum heatsink, as where some of the hotter i5 or i7 chips ,come with an aluminum heat sink with a copper core cold plate. I'm sure the latter or the former would both serve fine ,but the latter would definitely be better. if OP lived in the US, i could send him a BNIB intel factory cooler, with or without the copper core.

I certainly think after market is better, just not always needed

 

[StanicEnemy]

Thank you guys for giving me such information ,i didnt know that my mobo has only 3 heatsinks so basicly if i buy a cpu cooler like evo 212 or msi core frozr L etc my mobo will die within hours cause of overheating if i understand it correctly right? heatpipe coolers will cover vrm places so it wont get cooled down right? I have to chance my whole system to get benefit from heatpipe coolers right? i really wanted buy msi core frozr L or any other good cpu cooler to upgrade my cooling system,currently i have 3x fan on front,2x on top and 1x rear fans running.My pc case is aerocool 5200.

I'm kind of curious why the stock cooler is too loud? OP mentioned it served him fine for three years but now it's too noisy for him ,and he rather an aftermarket solution. The stock cooler should be perfectly Acceptable for a chip like his ,which would cost nothing. I'm wondering if it just needs a cleaning or a new fan. There's different types of Intel stock cooler. Some of the lower end i3 chips come with an all silver aluminum heatsink, as where some of the hotter i5 or i7 chips ,come with an aluminum heat sink with a copper core cold plate. I'm sure the latter or the former would both serve fine ,but the latter would definitely be better. if OP lived in the US, i could send him a BNIB intel factory cooler, with or without the copper core.

I certainly think after market is better, just not always needed

Beside the being louder whenever i look at my pc case i see that stock cooler and killing my mood.Thank you for thought i really I appreciate it

 

[jboydgolfer]

Thank you guys for giving me such information ,i didnt know that my mobo has only 3 heatsinks so basicly if i buy a cpu cooler like evo 212 or msi core frozr L etc my mobo will die within hours cause of overheating if i understand it correctly right? heatpipe coolers will cover vrm places so it wont get cooled down right? I have to chance my whole system to get benefit from heatpipe coolers right? i really wanted buy msi core frozr L or any other good cpu cooler to upgrade my cooling system,currently i have 3x fan on front,2x on top and 1x rear fans running.My pc case is aerocool 5200.
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Beside the being louder whenever i look at my pc case i see that stock cooler and killing my mood.Thank you for thought i really I appreciate it

No your mother board will not die if you purchase an aftermarket heatsink. I don't know where you got that from but ignore wherever you did. Literally any cooling solution will work on your motherboard is long as it fits your socket type,

if your upgrading becasue you just want a different looking cooler, buy a hyper 212 Evo, and call it quits. measure out your case, and check with the dimensions i posted for the Hyper 212 above, and if your case will fit it, buy it. if the Stock cooler worked fine, just buy any decent cooler, and your good to go.your over thinking this. just as lonmg as the cooler fits your case, and support your CPU, it will be fine.

 

[StanicEnemy]

No your mother board will not die if you purchase an aftermarket heatsink. I don't know where you got that from but ignore wherever you did. Literally any cooling solution will work on your motherboard is long as it fits your socket type,

if your upgrading becasue you just want a different looking cooler, buy a hyper 212 Evo, and call it quits. measure out your case, and check with the dimensions i posted for the Hyper 212 above, and if your case will fit it, buy it. if the Stock cooler worked fine, just buy any decent cooler, and your good to go.your over thinking this. just as lonmg as the cooler fits your case, and support your CPU, it will be fine.

But newtekie1 said Taking the motherboard into consideration, I would strongly suggest against a tower style cooler, and would definitely get a downward blowing cooler. The VRM design on the H81M-C is down right anemic, and has no heatsinks. If you remove the airflow from it, it is going to get hot and won't last long.

 

[newtekie1]

No your mother board will not die if you purchase an aftermarket heatsink. I don't know where you got that from but ignore wherever you did. Literally any cooling solution will work on your motherboard is long as it fits your socket type,

I told him that, because if he puts a tower cooler on that motherboard, the VRM will fry. Not in an hour, but it will eventually. That board's VRM is garbage.

That's why I suggested the Cooler Master M4, though the Shark V200 would work well as a good replacement for the stock cooler.

 

[StanicEnemy]

I told him that, because if he puts a tower cooler on that motherboard, the VRM will fry. Not in an hour, but it will eventually. That board's VRM is garbage.

That's why I suggested the Cooler Master M4, though the Shark V200 would work well as a good replacement for the stock cooler.

Mobo will fry because aftermarket cooler will cover vrms?

 

[newtekie1]

Mobo will fry because aftermarket cooler will cover vrms?

No, the motherboard will fry because the 120mm tower style coolers like the 212 Evo don't provide a lot of airflow down onto the motherboard. So the VRMs will likely overheat.

 

[StanicEnemy]

No, the motherboard will fry because the 120mm tower style coolers like the 212 Evo don't provide a lot of airflow down onto the motherboard. So the VRMs will likely overheat.

Dont get me wrong I just dont know anything about all these things im newbie,stock fan does provide cooling below mobo? I have 6x extra fan on my pc it is not enough cool down vrms?

 

[jboydgolfer]

I've never heard of that happening, but I do know that @newtekie1 is knowledgeable, so ill take his word that its a danger. FWIW, I have the 212 in my nephews PC ,on a low range motherboard ,and it's never been a problem. It's an H series motherboard from asrock , & pretty cheap, & the 212 is pretty tall, in fact the temp in the case is low, since the case fans exhaust it effectively.

Since I'm unaware of VRM dangers with tower heatsinks , I'm going to bow out of this ,and let more knowledgeable members handle it.

Good lick with your upgrade OP

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

Cryorig M9i or H7

M9i is smaller still quiet and performs the same as the Hyper 212 series while being about $10 cheaper.

The other option is to go downdraft style.

That would include the Dark Rock TF / Noctua NH-C14S / Scythe Kabuto 3 / Enermax ETD-T60-VD / NH-L12 / Shadow Rock TF2 / Shadow Rock LP among others

affordable option to cool both CPU and VRM / Mosfets would the Shadow Rock LP If your using standard height memory the Shadow Rock LP will fit just fine and do to the down draft style airflow will be directed onto the board at which point it will disperse cooling surround components more actively than a traditional tower style design.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...N7Y3Pk77JwnPoEzG1m4aApOoEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

 

[BarbaricSoul]

Dont get me wrong I just dont know anything about all these things im newbie,stock fan does provide cooling below mobo? I have 6x extra fan on my pc it is not enough cool down vrms?

Yes, 6 case fans is enough, but they aren't the only part of the cooling system, and them just being there isn't always enough. It's not just a matter of moving air, but also a case of moving the air where it needs to be. If you don't have adequate air flow over your motherboards VRMs, they will get hotter than they should. This can cause damage over time. The stock heat sink, and similarly designed heat sinks, blow air down though the heat sink on to the motherboard (circulating the air around the VRMs). A tower heat sink like the 212 does not blow air down onto the motherboard. This is why newtekie1 was suggesting to get a heat sink designed like the stock heat sink.

Cryorig M9i or H7

M9i is smaller still quiet and performs the same as the Hyper 212 series while being about $10 cheaper.

The other option is to go downdraft style.

That would include the Dark Rock TF / Noctua NH-C14S / Scythe Kabuto 3 / Enermax ETD-T60-VD / NH-L12 / Shadow Rock TF2 / Shadow Rock LP among others

affordable option to cool both CPU and VRM / Mosfets would the Shadow Rock LP If your using standard height memory the Shadow Rock LP will fit just fine and do to the down draft style airflow will be directed onto the board at which point it will disperse cooling surround components more actively than a traditional tower style design.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...N7Y3Pk77JwnPoEzG1m4aApOoEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

^listen to this guy, he does the heat sink reviews for TechpowerUp

 

[StanicEnemy]

Also can you please show me where vrms located at on my asus h81m-c?

Cryorig M9i or H7

M9i is smaller still quiet and performs the same as the Hyper 212 series while being about $10 cheaper.

The other option is to go downdraft style.

That would include the Dark Rock TF / Noctua NH-C14S / Scythe Kabuto 3 / Enermax ETD-T60-VD / NH-L12 / Shadow Rock TF2 / Shadow Rock LP among others

affordable option to cool both CPU and VRM / Mosfets would the Shadow Rock LP If your using standard height memory the Shadow Rock LP will fit just fine and do to the down draft style airflow will be directed onto the board at which point it will disperse cooling surround components more actively than a traditional tower style design.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...N7Y3Pk77JwnPoEzG1m4aApOoEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

Yes, 6 case fans is enough, but they aren't the only part of the cooling system, and them just being there isn't always enough. It's not just a matter of moving air, but also a case of moving the air where it needs to be. If you don't have adequate air flow over your motherboards VRMs, they will get hotter than they should. This can cause damage over time. The stock heat sink, and similarly designed heat sinks, blow air down though the heat sink on to the motherboard (circulating the air around the VRMs). A tower heat sink like the 212 does not blow air down onto the motherboard. This is why newtekie1 was suggesting to get a heat sink designed like the stock heat sink.



^listen to this guy, he does the heat sink reviews for TechpowerUp

Thank you alot guys! last question are these the vrm that getting hot?

 

[newtekie1]

I've never heard of that happening, but I do know that @newtekie1 is knowledgeable, so ill take his word that its a danger. FWIW, I have the 212 in my nephews PC ,on a low range motherboard ,and it's never been a problem. It's an H series motherboard from asrock , & pretty cheap, & the 212 is pretty tall, in fact the temp in the case is low, since the case fans exhaust it effectively.

Since I'm unaware of VRM dangers with tower heatsinks , I'm going to bow out of this ,and let more knowledgeable members handle it.

Good lick with your upgrade OP

I've seen these 3-phase boards pop before, even with a downward blowing cooler. I've seen them get hot enough to start to discolor the motherboard PCB too.

Also can you please show me where vrms located at on my asus h81m-c?


Thank you alot guys! last question are these the vrm that getting hot?View attachment 96498

Here is where the VRM is located on your motherboard. Yes, those areas that are getting over 100°C could be your VRMs. They could also be nothing and just be false readings.

 

[StanicEnemy]

I've seen these 3-phase boards pop before, even with a downward blowing cooler. I've seen them get hot enough to start to discolor the motherboard PCB too.

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Here is where the VRM is located on your motherboard. Yes, those areas that are getting over 100°C could be your VRMs. They could also be nothing and just be false readings.
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Thank you once again.By the way should i upgrade my cpu,mobo,ram or it is fine as it is?

 

[BarbaricSoul]

It's fine for what it is. Just use a heat sink that blows air down though the heat sink onto the motherboard.

 

[vega22]

it needs cleaning dude, you can see the dust bunnies nesting in the fins in that image.

you need to take it off the mobo, remove the fan from the sink and clean it out with a brush or a can of air. then it should be quieter once you refit it with new tim.

aio loops are much worse for mobo with crappy vrm cooling than any air coolers. while i do not doubt tekies exp i would be shocked if any air cooler was unable to stir some airflow over those vrm and help remove their heat.

 

[StanicEnemy]

Thank you guys! really thanks alot! I think im gonna buy shadow rock LP

 

[John Naylor]

yes, your right, but its the size of a pumpkin srsly tho, it is pretty big. i like Scythe a LOT, they are imo, one of the best companies around, and I had a relationship wit hthem years back, so i have tested a great deal of theyre offerings, but an almost 720G weight is no small cooler(145x86x161mm) . but if you like good coolers, Scythe is a great choice, & theyre support is amazing

I never could quite wrap my head around the concern of heat sink weight (outside of shipping via FedEx gorillas). I mean after all, sitting on ya desk... are ya more worried about a 1.5 pound weight or the 60-70 points of clamping force required for proper TIM functionality.

I have never had VRM issues with any build except some really offball designs ... if this temp is not reported by your utility package sing an infrared thermometer is a simple task. Most gaming or enthusiast MoBos will have heatsinks on any module of concern. With a adequate case cooling .... one 140mm for each 75-100 watts of componentry (50-75 for 120mm), should be fine but in the rare instances where you detect high temps, a "Spot-Cool will come in handy.

http://antec.com/pdf/flyers/Spotcool80 100_flyer_EN.pdf

 

[eidairaman1]

Your ambient temps will affect any cpu cooler you have.

 

[jboydgolfer]

I never could quite wrap my head around the concern of heat sink weight (outside of shipping via FedEx gorillas). I mean after all, sitting on ya desk... are ya more worried about a 1.5 pound weight or the 60-70 points of clamping force required for proper TIM functionality.

I'm not concerned w/ the weight. I was just mentioning it to reference its size more than anything. If I recall correctly I had a video review of that cooler playing while I was on techpowerup ,and the person who uploaded the video just happened to say the weight before the dimensions, so I typed them as i heard them them. generally weight is in direct relation to size ,at least when it comes to heat sinks.so one can assume the higher the weight, the larger the size (more often than not).

make no mistake tho, weight is VERY important in regards to heatsinks, if you have a Vertically stacked tower, with a 7" tower HS, that weighs 1000g, its gonna matter to you, because that weight is pulling down towards the earth & away from the motherboard mounts. which is why there are backplates, and well designed mounting brackets for these after market coolers. i dont care about the weight, since i dont use air coolers on my personal PC, but i wouldnt want more weight than i needed installed on my MoBo, especially in a vertical orientation. thats why there are GPU jack stands, and sagging "help" threads all over TPU.

 

[mastershake575]

I went from a 212 to MSI core froze and the difference was huge both in noise and temp. Was able to take my 3770k from 3.9ghz all the way to 4.5ghz. Its near identical to the cyrorig h5 which is a damn good cooler.

Don't know people are acting like it's a sketchy or mediocre product? (MSI has a solid track record with motherboards and GPUs). If anything it's complete overkill for what he's using it for

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

I'm not concerned w/ the weight. I was just mentioning it to reference its size more than anything. If I recall correctly I had a video review of that cooler playing while I was on techpowerup ,and the person who uploaded the video just happened to say the weight before the dimensions, so I typed them as i heard them them. generally weight is in direct relation to size ,at least when it comes to heat sinks.so one can assume the higher the weight, the larger the size (more often than not).

make no mistake tho, weight is VERY important in regards to heatsinks, if you have a Vertically stacked tower, with a 7" tower HS, that weighs 1000g, its gonna matter to you, because that weight is pulling down towards the earth & away from the motherboard mounts. which is why there are backplates, and well designed mounting brackets for these after market coolers. i dont care about the weight, since i dont use air coolers on my personal PC, but i wouldnt want more weight than i needed installed on my MoBo, especially in a vertical orientation. thats why there are GPU jack stands, and sagging "help" threads all over TPU.

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Weight doesnt matter unless you plan to ship your computer via parcel post. Otherwise its fine. As for GPU sagging more often than not a lot of that is due to too much play in the expansion slot bracket area. Backplates tend to fix it but then again removing the sloppiness in the brackets will generally eliminate it as well. the other issue for sagging is do to how its secured. A Gpu cooler is normally not balanced and the card is secured at the far end. This makes for a bad balance and distribution off weight. Again backplate fixes it due to firming up the PCB much like a CPU cooler backplate. However if GPUs were not secured by thumb screws in sloppy brackets with a single plastic slot they probably wouldnt sag. Typical CPU coolers due to the way the backplate and mounting hardware is setup distributs that load far more evenly. Another way to look at it is if you secured a CPU cooler using only 2 out of 4 mounting spots. Of course it will want to twist or not stay in position. However since a cooler is secured at four points rather than 2 on a pcb that is properly secured its a non issue.

A basic physics class could explain most of the reasons why its not a problem. I cant even remember my college physics course but I still remember the rudimentary basics of force and directional force.