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Not a single one listed is in the same ballpark as Bitdefender. If you are running anything less you are at risk.
 
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Not a single one listed is in the same ballpark as Bitdefender. If you are running anything less you are at risk.
That is an opinion not supported by risk assessment testing. It is good but not the best of the list. And this list leaves out several of the tested best.
 

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That is an opinion not supported by risk assessment testing. It is good but not the best of the list. And this
list leaves out several of the tested best.
Actually it has been tested.
 
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Actually it has been tested.
I didn't say it has not been tested. I said that your conclusion is not supported by "risk assessment testing", which directly states that testing has been done and that Bitdefender is in fact worse than Windows Defender which has proven to be less than solidly effective.
 

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I didn't say it has not been tested. I said that your conclusion is not supported by "risk assessment testing", which directly states that testing has been done and that Bitdefender is in fact worse than Windows Defender which has proven to be less than solidly effective.

I mean we can play "dueling sources" all day but the reality is unless you actually study or work in the field or even for some of these companies your word is no better than anyone else's.

https://chart.av-comparatives.org/chart1.php
 
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I mean we can play "dueling sources" all day but the reality is unless you actually study or work in the field or even for some of these companies your word is no better than anyone else's.

https://chart.av-comparatives.org/chart1.php
That's a good point. Not all testing is created equal. However, the risk testing I was referring to includes several solutions not included in many mainstream testing runs.
 
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You also need to know how to read AV-C's chart for Real-World protection. It's not just enough to look at it and see the latest one scoring highest. You need to look through several months if not years to observe a pattern. Consistency is what matters. If one has 100% once and then declines or jumps up and down constantly, it means they still haven't figured it out. If they consistently score 100% with low or no FP's, they are on to something. Bitdefender has been consistently scoring very high, same for Kaspersky, Trend Micro and Panda. The rest are not as consistent and while they may be good options, they may not be as "idiot proof".

Then again, there are alternate options. For example, avast! can fluctuate in scores in blacklist mode (normal AV mode). But if you enable Hardened Mode (Aggressive) you employ one of the world's largest "Ai" assisted whitelists. It'll probably block 100% of stuff you throw at it every time with next to no issues with safe and verified stuff. That's based off my internal testing where I ran this feature on several systems for full year and got no response from users that something is preventing them from using programs they want. Or was so insignificant they didn't even bother to contact me. And also by using this mode myself. There was always just this very small timeframe where things were blocked and even that only affected very new rare releases not used by many users worldwide. This also shows the power of 500 million endpoints participating inside a cloud which is the worlds largest security cloud network (which happened after avast! merger with AVG). They are however being a bit too conservative for my taste and they work on things more cautiously which is why they aren't scoring perfect 100% every time in blacklist mode. Which is a shame, but in a way I understand them. Bitdefender and Panda are more aggressive on that front.
 
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How in the world is Windows Defender got the most votes? :kookoo: Must be alot of Microsoft employees here jesus...
 

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These days, Windows Defender by far. Atleast when using Windows 10. No need for 3rd party AV. Microsoft knows best how to protect their own OS.
Windows Defender scores very high in independent AV tests and has minimal performance impact while doing it.

You can do a manual Malwarebytes scan occationally if you want more... Never caught anything here when Defender has been active...

How in the world is Windows Defender got the most votes? :kookoo: Must be alot of Microsoft employees here jesus...

Not really. Windows Defender is very much improved in Windows 10 compared to earlier Windows versions. It's a fact. 3rd party AV often does more harm than good. Google it. Or wait, I have a few links for you:

http://news.thewindowsclub.com/windows-defender-the-most-deployed-solution-in-enterprise-92052/
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/01/antivirus-is-bad/
https://www.pcworld.com/article/302...-could-make-your-company-more-vulnerable.html
http://www.digitaljournal.com/tech-...virus-software-poisons-your-pc/article/484781
https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news...oftware-does-more-harm-than-good-3696773.html

More and more are moving away from 3rd party AV, and for good reason; Waste of money and ressources.
Talking Windows; Brain + Windows Defender + OS/App updates = As good as it gets.
 
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These days, Windows Defender by far. Atleast when using Windows 10. No need for 3rd party AV. Microsoft knows best how to protect their own OS.
Windows Defender scores very high in independent AV tests and has minimal performance impact while doing it.

You can do a manual Malwarebytes scan occationally if you want more... Never caught anything here when Defender has been active...



Not really. Windows Defender is very much improved in Windows 10 compared to earlier Windows versions. It's a fact. 3rd party AV often does more harm than good. Google it. Or wait, I have a few links for you:

http://news.thewindowsclub.com/windows-defender-the-most-deployed-solution-in-enterprise-92052/
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/01/antivirus-is-bad/
https://www.pcworld.com/article/302...-could-make-your-company-more-vulnerable.html
http://www.digitaljournal.com/tech-...virus-software-poisons-your-pc/article/484781
https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news...oftware-does-more-harm-than-good-3696773.html

More and more are moving away from 3rd party AV, and for good reason; Waste of money and ressources.
Talking Windows; Brain + Windows Defender + OS/App updates = As good as it gets.

Not in my experience and I do this for a living, repairing computers, I have spent yrs cleaning PC's with people been told that Windows Defender is all you need, its a load of BS, here in the real world its useless, ive cleaned countless PC's because people dont install a proper AV solution. I just had one very recently got told that Windows Defender is all you need on your brand new Windows 10 PC, brought it to me months later complaining about it been slow, and not connecting to the internet, soon as I noticed it had no AV I knew straight away that it had viruses on it, and sure enough it had plenty!

I will never ever say that Windows defender is any good as I know for a fact in the real world it is not unless your a super safe user on your PC and never click on anything bad, which sadly in the real world just doesnt happen.
 

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Not in my experience and I do this for a living, repairing computers, I have spent yrs cleaning PC's with people been told that Windows Defender is all you need, its a load of BS, here in the real world its useless, ive cleaned countless PC's because people dont install a proper AV solution. I just had one very recently got told that Windows Defender is all you need on your brand new Windows 10 PC, brought it to me months later complaining about it been slow, and not connecting to the internet, soon as I noticed it had no AV I knew straight away that it had viruses on it, and sure enough it had plenty!

I will never ever say that Windows defender is any good as I know for a fact in the real world it is not unless your a super safe user on your PC and never click on anything bad, which sadly in the real world just doesnt happen.

Yeah I do this for a living too. No AV will stop morons. Working brain is required. You can read the links and the AV tests yourself. Windows Defender is beating most 3rd party AV now. It's right up there with Bitdefender and Kaspersky which are the absolute best 3rd party AV's and the only one I'd even consider.
 
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You need to look through several months if not years to observe a pattern. Consistency is what matters.
Years? I disagree. It suggests a product considered the best years ago with Vista or XP must still be top rated today with Windows 10. Just not true. It also suggests the threats from years ago are the same, or represent the same challenges as those threats out in the wild today. Again, not true. I'll go along with checking the last few months to ensure a top or bottom rating is not a "one-off" rating. But not years.

And if you are going to put all your faith in those synthetic laboratory tests (and I don't), make sure you look at the results for your OS. Suggesting, for example, Windows Defender with Windows 10 must be bad because Microsoft Security Essentials with W7 didn't score well is misrepresenting the facts.

I do this for a living, repairing computers, I have spent yrs cleaning PC's with people been told that Windows Defender is all you need, its a load of BS,
And anyone who says [fill in the blank] is "all you need" is a BSer is feeding others a load of BS. Regardless your solution of choice, users should always use a secondary scanner to verify nothing sneaked on by. Why? Because even the best security is easily thwarted if the user opens the door and lets the badguy in. That exactly why "socially engineered" methods of malware distribution works so effectively. Users must keep their systems current and not be "click-happy" on unsolicited links, downloads, attachments, and links.

Your comments about WD are, IMO, tunnel visioned. For many years in my shop, malware removal was the biggest service we provided. It was great for business! But it sure wasn't only or even mostly MSE/WD users who were infected. No solution was immune! For many years infected Windows 7 computers using Norton and McAfee dominated. Why? Because those two products were commonly pre-installed on factory made computers bought by consumers. Next was probably AVG because that was widely suggested, but we saw and still see systems supposedly fully protected by Kaspersky, ESET, BitDefender, Avira, Trend Micro and [fill in the blank] too.

And the fact of the matter is, the most common element in these systems was "outdated" and modified Windows defaults! That is, users dinking with Windows defaults thinking they knew better than Microsoft. And of the systems that ran slow, most were simply full of clutter, 1000s and 1000s of cookies, extra toolbars, auto-updaters for programs they rarely used, etc. Hard drives nearly full and severely fragmented (again, because users dinked with settings). Tiny or no page files because they were told by some wannabe memory management "expert":rolleyes: :kookoo: :mad: claiming no PF was needed when lots of RAM was installed.

Since W8.x came out, infected systems coming into my shop have decreased dramatically such that my core business (IT consulting and custom computers) is now the biggest service segment again. :) Why? Because Windows 8.x and Windows 10 keep themselves updated - if the users don't dink with the settings. Not because they switched away from WD.

As las suggests, the user is ALWAYS the weakest link in security. Again, they must keep Windows current and not be "click-happy". Also important is to always, as in EVERY SINGLE TIME, select the "custom" install option when installing 3rd party applications to ensure you have to the option to "opt-out" of unwanted toolbars, search engines, updaters and adware.

Frankly, IMO, these constant disparagings of one solution or another ad nauseam is just silly. Virtually will protect the computer if the user would only compute defensively. Just like a Ford or Chevy pickup truck will serve those owners well, Camry vs Accord, Intel vs AMD, or NVIDIA vs AMD will provide good service. Not having the top rated (for that month) product does NOT mean your product of choice will fail to do its job.
 
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Yes, years. Windows 10 has been out for how long? It was released in 2015. It's almost 3 years now. So, yeah, track record through years is a valid statement.

As for Symantec and McAfee systems being infected, it wasn't because those two are necessarily bad. It was because those are paid products that often stop working after like 6 months. Most people don't understand that just having AV installed is not enough, it needs to be updated regularly. I've seen people who were dismissing "Expired" warnings. Those are the kinds who get infected the most, not properly updated Norton from today which is considered as very effective.
 
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As for Symantec and McAfee systems being infected, it wasn't because those two are necessarily bad. It was because those are paid products that often stop working after like 6 months.
No!!! You weren't in my shop! We (me and the other techs in my shop) are not so stupid we can't tell if a product is expired or not. Don't be silly. These computers were not infected because Norton and McAfee expired and stopped working. They became infected because Norton and McAfee failed to do their jobs properly.

Yes, those free "trial" versions expired then nagged relentlessly. So do all other paid programs. But running without any antimalware solution is a totally different and off-topic scenario.

And just because Windows 10 has been out a few years does NOT suggest Windows 10 from July 2015 is the exact same product as Windows 10 in April 2018 - or the same Windows as Windows 7. It also does not suggest the anti-malware solution from 2015 is the exact same product today in April 2018. Is a 2015 Accord the same car as a 2018 Accord? No.

Does looking years back at security solutions hurt? Probably not. But does it do any good? I say no.

Most people don't understand that just having AV installed is not enough, it needs to be updated regularly.
Bullfeathers. Again, that's just a silly argument. Come on! Some common sense has to come into play here in this debate. First and foremost, security programs, including WD, will keep themselves updated automatically as long as the user didn't dink with the default setting. At the very least, they all announce an update is available.

As for users ignoring expiration (or update) notices, what does that have to do with the price of rice in China? :kookoo: That just proves las's and my point - the users have to have a brain - and use it. Not doing so has nothing do to with the antimalware solution installed.
 
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Windows 10 is basically the same as the day it came out. Anything that runs on old one will on new one. Anything they plugged were exploit holes. This isn't Win9x to WinNT comparison where stuff (including malware) stopped working because of a massive OS change.
 
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Windows 10 is basically the same as the day it came out
No. More bullfeathers. Windows 10 has had several major "anniversary" and "creators" updates since first released - updates that affected a significant portion of the kernel and critical files. Saying it is basically the same is like saying the original XP was the basically the same as XP SP3. There have been many significant changes in Windows 10, W10 security, and WD since W10 was first introduced.

Just because something runs on the Windows today means nothing. CCleaner runs on XP as well as W10. Does that mean W10 and XP are basically the same? No.

And "stopped" working because of an update is totally separate from maintaining the same level of protection.
 
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Oh boy, I'm not in the mood for arguing because someone will get triggered and accuse me of derailing things...

There is no point in arguing If someone gets triggered its their own fault.
We are here to share experience, discuss findings and some constructive criticism is always good.;)
 
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Windows 10 is basically the same as the day it came out.
Got to agree with Bill on this. No, it isn't. And Windows Defender is as annoying as it is ineffective. It's literally the the first thing I remove from a Windows 10 installation.
 
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You forgot one option. No antivirus I just use malwarebytes paid
 

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Haha, not even close.

Just because your "user" experience "on top" is different, it doesn't mean there were dramatic changes underneath. Because there weren't. In an essence, Windows 10 still shares metric shit ton of stuff with Vista...
 
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You forgot one option. No antivirus I just use malwarebytes paid
I too have recently turned off Windows Defender and instead just use Malewarebytes Premium.....using WD is not needed with MP.
 
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