Diablo III Clubhouse

[1Kurgan1]

Diablo 1 and 2 dont have an auction house. You honestly belive that was just "tacted on" after the fact? Please Kurgan Blizzard isnt a billion dollar company by mistake. The Auction house is part of the game. Diablo 1 and two allowed you to progress through the game without an auction house by just grinding. You bought 600k weapons by your own admission. Play the game without the auction house and beat inferno. I played 70 hours without a decent drop. NOT A SINGLE ONE. So your telling me I would have to play 100+ hours in Diablo 2 to even make it through the first act on the second level of difficulty? Because I had to hit the auction house to beat Hell. Please. This is very basic stuff man. I dont need to play D1 or D2 to know this game has a different mechanic in mind. If it didnt then there would be no Auction house at all and I could grind through the game without having to use the auction house. I know you love this game and you have rose tinted glasses but I call it like it is.

When PvP hits the game its gonna be a circle jerk.

When did I say they had an auction hall? And when did I say the AH was tacked on? Did you actually read my post are are you just skimming to read more articles about how D2 was rather than having played the game yourself? Play D2 without trading for items, hell play D2 period before I even consider acknowledging your opinion on this... If you want to grind and grind and grind to beat Inferno, you will do it, just like you could have in D2 if you didn't want to trade for items (but you most likely would because what good does an awesome item for another class do you when you could trade it for something great for your class?).

I hate to say it, but your doing it wrong, Act 1 doesn't take gear to beat even as a Barb, especially not now. Jump in a game with me, toss me your gear, I bet I'll down my farming route in Act 1. And yes, even making it to Hell difficulty on D2 was hard, just making it there, you just keep assuming rather than playing, go play D2 rather than reading about it. Hell go play D1, I beat Normal Mode 15 times on D1, I never even made it to Nightmare after 15 Diablo kills... and your crying about making it to the last difficulty, seriously. I picked up D1 a few months ago and played a Warrior, got to level 11 in the dungeon and right when I step down theres about 20 Blood Witches. They cast ranged spells and run fast from you when you get close. And in D1 whenever you get hit you get put in a hit animation where you can't swing back. Caster strategy is chase them around till you pin one in a corner, but with that many casters you got the other 19 hitting you in the back all my guy does is go "ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh" and I can't swing my weapon, just stare at this Blood Witch in the corner knowing there is nothing I can do. Can't even beat D1 on one clear solo as a Barb, my character being like level 12 has to go back and farm....

So put away the box of kleenex's, anyone who has played these games know what it's about, you didn't play them, you expected different. D3 difficult, lol, yeah go back to D2, or if you want to hit your face against the wall go back to D1, then once you have played those games, we can talk.

 

[Kreij]

Okay ZZZ, what do you think this is worth ...

 

[1Kurgan1]

Damage is low, stats are grat, life on hit is good, but no socket. Throwing out 100 - 150k, but looking at LoH items with similar damage and stats could prove me wrong.

 

[ZenZimZaliben]

Okay ZZZ, what do you think this is worth ...

http://img.techpowerup.org/120709/Screenshot003.jpg

Yeah about 100-250K. The damage is just to low. That is the most important stat on a weapon. Before all the other affixes are even taken into account. And those are awesome. If that was a 700DPS weapon, like 5-8M. 800DPS probably 10M.

EVERYONE sorts by DPS on a weapon, so stats just don't matter if the DPS isn't there. Sad, but I would probably vendor it, or give to a friend.

 

[Kreij]

Well I've had it up for 15K, 30K, 150K. and 250K and it didn't move.
So I put it up for 20M. lol

 

[TheMailMan78]

When did I say they had an auction hall? And when did I say the AH was tacked on? Did you actually read my post are are you just skimming to read more articles about how D2 was rather than having played the game yourself? Play D2 without trading for items, hell play D2 period before I even consider acknowledging your opinion on this... If you want to grind and grind and grind to beat Inferno, you will do it, just like you could have in D2 if you didn't want to trade for items (but you most likely would because what good does an awesome item for another class do you when you could trade it for something great for your class?).

I hate to say it, but your doing it wrong, Act 1 doesn't take gear to beat even as a Barb, especially not now. Jump in a game with me, toss me your gear, I bet I'll down my farming route in Act 1. And yes, even making it to Hell difficulty on D2 was hard, just making it there, you just keep assuming rather than playing, go play D2 rather than reading about it. Hell go play D1, I beat Normal Mode 15 times on D1, I never even made it to Nightmare after 15 Diablo kills... and your crying about making it to the last difficulty, seriously. I picked up D1 a few months ago and played a Warrior, got to level 11 in the dungeon and right when I step down theres about 20 Blood Witches. They cast ranged spells and run fast from you when you get close. And in D1 whenever you get hit you get put in a hit animation where you can't swing back. Caster strategy is chase them around till you pin one in a corner, but with that many casters you got the other 19 hitting you in the back all my guy does is go "ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh" and I can't swing my weapon, just stare at this Blood Witch in the corner knowing there is nothing I can do. Can't even beat D1 on one clear solo as a Barb, my character being like level 12 has to go back and farm....

So put away the box of kleenex's, anyone who has played these games know what it's about, you didn't play them, you expected different. D3 difficult, lol, yeah go back to D2, or if you want to hit your face against the wall go back to D1, then once you have played those games, we can talk.

I guess you didn't read what I said or have an eye for a bigger picture. I played 70+ hours and haven't found a SINGLE DROP WORTH A DAMN. How many hours before I find one sword or one boot that MIGHT make me last 10 seconds in Inferno without the auction house. Face it this game is DESIGNED to force you to use it. No one here hasn't. Playing D1 or D2 will not change this fact. Now all the really, REALLY nice stuff is in the real money auction house. Coincidence? Gee. Hmmm.

Please Kurgan don't patronize me.

 

[ZenZimZaliben]

I guess you didn't read what I said or have an eye for a bigger picture. I played 70+ hours and haven't found a SINGLE DROP WORTH A DAMN. How many hours before I find one sword or one boot that MIGHT make me last 10 seconds in Inferno without the auction house. Face it this game is DESIGNED to force you to use it. No one here hasn't. Playing D1 or D2 will not change this fact. Now all the really, REALLY nice stuff is in the real money auction house. Coincidence? Gee. Hmmm.

Please Kurgan don't patronize me.

70 hours isn't a drop in the bucket, seriously. If you know that AH is needed, then quit fighting it and start enjoying the game.

How many hours do you have in BF3?


You need to go out and buy some cheap ass loot gear. Get your GF up and start grinding on act I (500K+items). So what if all the loot drops suck, gold is always good and you will be fine with about 5m in progression gear with about 1M in loot gear.

If you hate grinding and are opposed to using the AH, then beat diablo 3 by uninstalling.

70 hours isn't grinding...200 hours is.

 

[TheMailMan78]

70 hours isn't a drop in the bucket, seriously. If you know that AH is needed, then quit fighting it and start enjoying the game.

How many hours do you have in BF3?


You need to go out and buy some cheap ass loot gear. Get your GF up and start grinding on act I (500K+items). So what if all the loot drops suck, gold is always good and you will be fine with about 5m in progression gear with about 1M in loot gear.

So what you are saying is the auction house is needed to progress in the game? Or how many hours do I need to grind in the game for a single peice of equipment I can use in Inferno? 200 hours? 300?

 

[Kreij]

I agree. I get some nice items, but many times they are not for my class so I sell them on the GAH.
Since I never really have a lot of gold (currently at about 500K) I shop for bargains. I've been able to consistantly find small upgrades for 50K or less.


No. You don't have to use the AH, but it's going to be a looong grind finding stuff just like in D2.

 

[TheMailMan78]

I agree. I get some nice items, but many times they are not for my class so I sell them on the GAH.
Since I never really have a lot of gold (currently at about 500K) I shop for bargains. I've been able to consistantly fine small upgrades for 50K or less.


No. You don't have to use the AH, but it's going to be a looong grind finding stuff just like in D2.

What like 300 hours for a boot or a helmet?

 

[Kreij]

Yeah, maybe. It's random drops. You may get lucky and get something great the next time you play.
Who knows?

 

[TheMailMan78]

Yeah, maybe. It's random drops. You may get lucky and get something great the next time you play.
Who knows?

Whoa! Its almost like Blizzard wants me to use the auction house or something.

 

[Kreij]

That's how all the Diablo games have been. It's a loot hunt grind or you buy/trade.
This is nothing new to the Diablo series.

 

[TheMailMan78]

That's how all the Diablo games have been. It's a loot hunt grind or you buy/trade.
This is nothing new to the Diablo series.

So you mean to tell me people played 2500+ hours to deck out their character in Diablo 2 just to beat the game huh? Thats averaging 300 hours per slot. I find that very hard to believe.

If that true this is a game for autistic children or Korean teenagers.

 

[1Kurgan1]

I guess you didn't read what I said or have an eye for a bigger picture. I played 70+ hours and haven't found a SINGLE DROP WORTH A DAMN. How many hours before I find one sword or one boot that MIGHT make me last 10 seconds in Inferno without the auction house. Face it this game is DESIGNED to force you to use it. No one here hasn't. Playing D1 or D2 will not change this fact. Now all the really, REALLY nice stuff is in the real money auction house. Coincidence? Gee. Hmmm.

Please Kurgan don't patronize me.

I played D2 for longer than that and had the exact same result, like I said play the other games before judging. I seen what you said, but I've played the other games, not just read about them, and my opinion is effected by the experiences I had playing them. In D2 trading was extremely popular if you even made it to Hell difficulty. Because odds are you are 1 class and there are a lot more other classes in the game than there is of your 1. Trading functioned basically the same as the AH does. So yes, getting that concept into your head does change the fact, people traded all the time in D2 also sold items. And you don't need any of that RMAH items, you rant about that, but sorry you do not need them. Of course the best items are in there, people want to be paid money to play a game. But theres insane items in the GAH, so unless you are at the point where you next upgrade for every slot is 20M + then you have no need to even look at the RMAH, and if you are at that point anyways you should have enough gear to beat the game making the RMAH moot.

I'm not patronizing you, I just hate arguing with people who use articles about a subject since they have no personal experience with said thing. I can't stand people preaching who haven't actually experienced (I'm giving you a good ribbing because the tone you are carrying, especially when you reference things you haven't played and I remember how clueless you were about Diablo when you checked into this clubhouse, now your an expert). Like I said, D1 and D2 are cheap, go get them, play them they are great games. I will pay you $10 if you can even beat Normal Mode on D1 with a Warrior without going back and farming. Your talking about Inferno being hard, I'm just saying it's not, I put over 500 hours into D1 farming and never made it out of Normal (the 1st difficulty). You've put 70+ hours into D3 and your in the 4th difficulty having a tough time. If that doesn't say something to you, then I don't know what will.

So you mean to tell me people played 2500+ hours to deck out their character in Diablo 2 just to beat the game huh? Thats averaging 300 hours per slot. I find that very hard to believe.

If that true this is a game for autistic children or Korean teenagers.

If you didn't want to trade and you wanted to beat hell solo, probably more hours (as immune mobs own). So yes, you act like the concept of trading is unknown to people.

 

[TheMailMan78]

I played D2 for longer than that and had the exact same result, like I said play the other games before judging. I seen what you said, but I've played the other games, not just read about them, and my opinion is effected by the experiences I had playing them. In D2 trading was extremely popular if you even made it to Hell difficulty. Because odds are you are 1 class and there are a lot more other classes in the game than there is of your 1. Trading functioned basically the same as the AH does. So yes, getting that concept into your head does change the fact, people traded all the time in D2 also sold items. And you don't need any of that RMAH items, you rant about that, but sorry you do not need them. Of course the best items are in there, people want to be paid money to play a game. But theres insane items in the GAH, so unless you are at the point where you next upgrade for every slot is 20M + then you have no need to even look at the RMAH, and if you are at that point anyways you should have enough gear to beat the game making the RMAH moot.

I'm not patronizing you, I just hate arguing with people who use articles about a subject since they have no personal experience with said thing. I can't stand people preaching who haven't actually experienced (I'm giving you a good ribbing because the tone you are carrying, especially when you reference things you haven't played and I remember how clueless you were about Diablo when you checked into this clubhouse, now your an expert). Like I said, D1 and D2 are cheap, go get them, play them they are great games. I will pay you $10 if you can even beat Normal Mode on D1 with a Warrior without going back and farming. Your talking about Inferno being hard, I'm just saying it's not, I put over 500 hours into D1 farming and never made it out of Normal (the 1st difficulty). You've put 70+ hours into D3 and your in the 4th difficulty having a tough time. If that doesn't say something to you, then I don't know what will.

You put 500 hours in for farming huh? That's nice dude. I put 70 and didn't find a thing yet in 500 you decked out your character in D2 or did you have to make some trades? That means by that standard I would have found at least ONE item worth a damn in D3. But I haven't. Why? Because all the best loot is in inferno and you NEED TO USE THE AUCTION HOUSE TO GAIN ANY GROUND THERE. Now since they introduced real money all the GREAT loot is for cash.

 

[1Kurgan1]

You put 500 hours in for farming huh? That's nice dude. I put 70 and didn't find a thing yet in 500 you decked out your character in D2. That means by that standard I would have found at least ONE item worth a damn in D3. But I haven't. Why? Because all the best loot is in inferno and you NEED TO USE THE AUCTION HOUSE TO GAIN ANY GROUND THERE.

You didn't read again. 500 hours in D1, and I wasn't even closed to decked... I couldn't leave normal mode, come on now MM... I still had an entire difficulty between me and the hardest game mode, at least after your 70 hours your on the hardest mode. Third time might be the charm here, so I'll say it again, go back and hit max level on the other 2 titles, and beat the max difficulty without trading, then make this comparison. (and you talk about patronizing... dude, lol)

 

[Delta6326]

Well I am at the last waypoint before taking on Diablo in Inferno. Not sure I want to take him out because then I won't have anything to look forward to except loot grinding and beating him faster.

Currently sitting at 50M in gold. Highest I have been was 98M.

In total I could have beat the game with probably 5M worth of gear. Currently my gear is probably pushing 100M. No reason for this except to loot faster and make more gold/cash.

Wanna help a Lvl 21 out with some $$

Lol once I hit lvl 21 it seems like i can't lvl, i can't wait till i can start too use gems.

 

[cadaveca]

You didn't read again. 500 hours in D1, and I wasn't even closed to decked... I couldn't leave normal mode, come on now MM... I still had an entire difficulty between me and the hardest game mode, at least after your 70 hours your on the hardest mode. Third time might be the charm here, so I'll say it again, go back and hit max level on the other 2 titles, and beat the max difficulty without trading, then make this comparison. (and you talk about patronizing... dude, lol)

I did, and I didn't paly either game online at all. I played with one of my freinds for three days once every month, since he worked in Kazakstan, or however you spell it, and he wasn't home to be able to play for weeks on end. He'd get home, and we'd spend a weekend gaming till all hours.

I built him a Shuttle box that he took with him when working overseas. So he played while I was playing, albeit in another country, and together we played for about 8 months each, with very random plays together, just only those three days, once every month or so. It took both of us to beat the game, all difficulties. Then Diablo II came out, took us about 10 months.

Yes, it took countless hours of grinding, but at the same time, it was nowhere as diffcult as Inferno in Diablo III. I can't even get out of town in D3, even if I try to skip the elite mob outside the town gates.

Heck, i'd much rather have the auction house gone, and have to buy teleport scrolls.

Oh, and drops ARE NOT random. At least, not in the same sense as it was in the other games. If items are in the auction houses, the frequency of thier drops in-game is far far less. Items just being in the auction house ruins the drops for all others playing, and there's no denying that.

Since there's all these good items in teh auction houses, the frequency of good items in-game is less, which makes the game, for me, far less enjoyable. I have far less chance on getting good items today than I did when the game launched, and every day that a good item is taken and put up for auction jsut means there's less good items for me to get.


Grinding in past games meant doing the same boss over and over trying to get a drop and no matter who played, the rate of that drop was always the same...that doesn't happen any more. They broke Diablo, and they don't care, and they broke it with the auction house, and that's a fact.

 

[TheMailMan78]

You didn't read again. 500 hours in D1, and I wasn't even closed to decked... I couldn't leave normal mode, come on now MM... I still had an entire difficulty between me and the hardest game mode, at least after your 70 hours your on the hardest mode. Third time might be the charm here, so I'll say it again, go back and hit max level on the other 2 titles, and beat the max difficulty without trading, then make this comparison. (and you talk about patronizing... dude, lol)

I just called a buddy of mine (havent talked to him in months) and he was a big Diablo fan. I asked him about Diablo 2 normal mode and he said he beat it in about 25 hours and never played it again. Not sure why it took you 500+ in normal.

 

[Kreij]

Oh, and drops ARE NOT random. At least, not in the same sense as it was in the other games. If items are in the auction houses, the frequency of thier drops in-game is far far less. Items just being in the auction house ruins the drops for all others playing, and there's no denying that.

Since there's all these good items in teh auction houses, the frequency of good items in-game is less, which makes the game, for me, far less enjoyable. I have far less chance on getting good items today than I did when the game launched, and every day that a good item is taken and put up for auction jsut means there's less good items for me to get.


Grinding in past games meant doing the same boss over and over trying to get a drop and no matter who played, the rate of that drop was always the same...that doesn't happen any more. They broke Diablo, and they don't care, and they broke it with the auction house, and that's a fact.

I can find nothing that states the items in the AH has anything to do with drop rates.
Got any links (other than conjecture) to justify what you are claiming as fact?

I just called a buddy of mine (havent talked to him in months) and he was a big Diablo fan. I asked him about Diablo 2 normal mode and he said he beat it in about 25 hours and never played it again. Not sure why it took you 500+ in normal.

Kurgan was talking abtou D1, not D2. It's been too long for me to remember the time spent on that game, but it was a lot.

 

[cadaveca]

I can find nothing that states the items in the AH has anything to do with drop rates.
Got any links (other than conjecture) to justify what you are claiming as fact?

It was in one of the Diablo blogs about how they are balancing the game. I'd have to search for it. I'll take a look.

 

[phanbuey]

70 hours isn't a drop in the bucket, seriously. If you know that AH is needed, then quit fighting it and start enjoying the game.

How many hours do you have in BF3?


You need to go out and buy some cheap ass loot gear. Get your GF up and start grinding on act I (500K+items). So what if all the loot drops suck, gold is always good and you will be fine with about 5m in progression gear with about 1M in loot gear.

Except BF3 is different every time because of PVP and different enemies/tactics. It's like 70 hours of chess - same game, but no two rounds are the same. TF2 is the same. Neither are comparable to D3.

70 Hours in an 11-hour game story-driven game is actually quite a lot. It's like watching the same 4 movies on repeat for two weeks... fun!

Point is - i think a lot of people were expecting D3 to to evolve. D2 was released a long time ago - a lot has happened since then. Blizzard could have easily said "hmm, ok - what have the new RPGs in the last decade done right? Why were those RPGs fun? Why did so many people love Mass Effect(s), the Witcher 1&2, our own WoW, as well and Skyrim, Oblivion, and Fallout 3, Bioshock(s)...(and the list goes on)? Let's take some of that good stuff, distill it, and then make it diablo-esque, addicting, throw some massive loot on top, and combine it for D3!"

Not trying to bash - just what I see.

 

[Kreij]

I've seen posts by Blizz devs that they factored in the AH when considering drop rates, but I've never seen anything that states the quantity of items in the AH, at any given time, affects the preset drop rates in game.

Point is - i think a lot of people were expecting D3 to to evolve. D2 was released a long time ago - a lot has happened since then. Blizzard could have easily said "hmm, ok - what have the new RPGs in the last decade done right? Why were those RPGs fun? Why did so many people love Mass Effect(s), the Witcher 1&2, our own WoW, as well and Skyrim, Oblivion, and Fallout 3, Bioshock(s)...(and the list goes on)? Let's take some of that good stuff, distill it, and then make it diablo-esque, addicting, throw some massive loot on top, and combine it for D3!"

If they had changed the general premise of how a Diablo game works, the shitstorm would have been epic even by internet standards.

 

[cadaveca]

I've seen posts by Blizz devs that they factored in the AH when considering drop rates, but I've never seen anything that states the quantity of items in the AH, at any given time, affects the preset drop rates in game.

I'm pretty sure that was EXACTLY what I read, and that it was a way tn encourage use of the auction house.


HOwever, at the same time, this may only pertain to legendary items? I am not sure, but I was given the impression it applied to both rare and legendary items, and that fact alone had me un-install the game after I tried to get out of town, and ended up broke, with broken gear, and no money to repair. Grinding being expensive is one thing, but a lack of good items is another wqhen the costs are so high.