Did you get a shiny new Ryzen 3000 CPU?

[EarthDog]

It didn't do anything for the boost clocks... but helps a bit at idle. This was pushed on to other boards of theirs several days ago IIRC.

 

[Nordic]

I may have a lower end board, but it was the only matx choice I had at the time, but I think asrock dropped the ball with AMD this time around. I thought Asrock was supposed to be great now. I have had really great experiences with them on intel.

 

[EarthDog]

What's wrong with ASRock? How did they drop the ball?? The two boards I've seen so far (the itx board and phantom gaming x) are quite solid!

 

[Nordic]

I don't know for sure about other products in Asrock's lineup except for the one I have. My Asrock X570m Pro4 feels like the cheapest budget board I have ever had while being on the premium chipset. The VRM and VRM heatsink are absolutely crappy. I am not 100% certain, but I believe my motherboard is why I can't run my memory at its rated 3600mhz with any CAS speeds and sub timings or voltage.

Buildzoid's video confirmed a lot of my own complaints about this motherboard.

I have read that most of asrock's lineup is built the same. If my board sucks at the low end, I can't imagine the other boards being that much better.

For the record, I chose this motherboard because it was the only x570 matx board available at the time.

 

[EarthDog]

It is the cheapest board on the X570 chipset for ASRock IIRC... what did you expect? the other boards are better... at least the two I have.

Not sure what you are reading but I can tell you the parts I had are not the same. Builldzoid has a vid in fact on the ITX board touting its VRM (and hating on the IC's in the memory area).

Is that memory on the QVL list? remember, this is AMD Ryzen and it can certainly be finicky.

 

[TheLostSwede]

@HTC no problems with NM-AM4. The instructions are just a little weird. On monolithic Noctua towers, the spring loaded screws are on the same axis as the heatsink direction, but the D9L (and I suspect D15) aren't monolithic so the screws are actually perpendicular in a sense. Which means I had to use the short arms, whereas with a traditional U9S for example you'd want the long arms. Worked much better.

Learned the hard way today that:

1) Having had Intel since Ivy means having been completely spoiled by strong memory controllers
2) Pairing Ryzen with memory that works is not a walk in the park
3) ITX boards that are not overbuilt do not like 32GB in the form of 16GB double sided sticks of fast DDR4
4) Ryzen hates Corsair and Corsair hates Ryzen

Would only POST and run properly to allow me to install Windows when on one stick only. Going back to the store tomorrow to return these poopsairs for a 16GB 3200 kit from maybe G.Skill or something. In all honesty, can't really blame the LPXs; as the box indicates, they probably would have been happy enough to run on Z390.

If you think Ryzen 3000 is hard when it comes to RAM, be glad you missed the 1000 series, it was much, much worse.
I had no problems with my "random" RAM that I admittedly got for my new build, as I had major issues with my old Corsair RAM as well.
You might be right on the other hand that Corsair RAM and AMD is a bad mix.
Note that only 2933MHz is officially supported for dual rank memory on Ryzen 3000, so going with higher clocks than that, isn't guaranteed. That said, some people here on the forums have managed 3600MHz.

 

[Nordic]

It is the cheapest board on the X570 chipset for ASRock IIRC... what did you expect? the other boards are better... at least the two I have.
Is that memory on the QVL list? remember, this is AMD Ryzen and it can certainly be finicky.

I expect it to be better than $60 boards I have purchased in the past. The memory is on the QVL list too. I have seen posts with from other people with the same memory not having issues. I was hoping that bios update might help, but it didn't.

 

[EarthDog]

I expect it to be better than $60 boards I have purchased in the past. The memory is on the QVL list too. I have seen posts with from other people with the same memory not having issues. I was hoping that bios update might help, but it didn't.

And it is, by hardware specs...

If other people have the same memory on this board and it works, did you consider that maybe your CPU's IMC just can't hack it for whatever reason? Have you increased SOC voltage? Maybe consider creating a thread and see if we can tackle the issue...

 

[HTC]

I expect it to be better than $60 boards I have purchased in the past. The memory is on the QVL list too. I have seen posts with from other people with the same memory not having issues. I was hoping that bios update might help, but it didn't.

This suggests the board being the issue and, as Buildzoid mentioned in the video you posted, it depends on the BIOS: that's on Asrock, unless the RAM itself has issues.

Do you have another system you can test the RAM on, in order to rule it out as being the problem? If you manage to run MemTest on the RAM with it working on another system @ advertised speeds but failing on your board, and then contact Asrock with this proof, i'm sure they could fix the issue, no?

 

[EarthDog]

It's hilarious I see the same info and dont think it's the board...

It may be a bios issue, but this board only has, now, 3 IIRC. And I'm imagining he's tried them all. So assuming that it's either in his settings, his IMC is a dud, or the board may be faulty (assuming the memory is ok).

As I said though...maybe he should start his own thread and see if we can get it working.

 

[HTC]

And it is, by hardware specs...

If other people have the same memory on this board and it works, did you consider that maybe your CPU's IMC just can't hack it for whatever reason? Have you increased SOC voltage? Maybe consider creating a thread and see if we can tackle the issue...

That's not what he said:

I expect it to be better than $60 boards I have purchased in the past. The memory is on the QVL list too. I have seen posts with from other people with the same memory not having issues. I was hoping that bios update might help, but it didn't.

From that, i read "someone with the same memory but different board not having issues": perhaps Nordic can clarify this bit for us.

OTOH, EarthDog may be right and it could be a CPU's IMC issue.

 

[EarthDog]

That's not what he said:



From that, i read "someone with the same memory but different board not having issues": perhaps Nordic can clarify this bit for us.

OTOH, EarthDog may be right and it could be a CPU's IMC issue.

...and I assumed that he was talking about the same board... why would he mention that RAM (but not his specific sticks/set which would tell us the RAM isn't bad)) works on other boards? What relevance is that? Another board is, well, another board and not relevant.

That was my thinking so I assumed he saw the same kit on the same board as his (but neither being his) working.

 

[HTC]

...and I assumed that he was talking about the same board... why would he mention that RAM (but not his specific sticks/set which would tell us the RAM isn't bad)) works on other boards? What relevance is that? Another board is, well, another board and not relevant.

That was my thinking so I assumed he saw the same kit on the same board as his (but neither being his) working.

Why wouldn't he? It's supposed to work @ 3600 with all 4 sticks and, because it works in other (AM4???) boards @ rated speeds AND it's on the QVL of his board, the RAM seems clearly capable of the rated speeds: all that's left is to test the RAM on another system to see if HIS RAM is OK or not since it could be an issue with HIS kit, which is what the test is supposed to rule out.

 

[EarthDog]

I don't think he tested HIS actual sticks in a different board yet. So the fact that the same set of sticks (but not HIS sticks) works on another board means nothing. Just because he saw the same set working on other boards, doesn't mean his set will work on his board. Is that more clear??? Because that is what he said. Looking into it deeper than that is only an assumption.

Perhaps he will clarify upon return... this is making me dizzy, lol.

 

[Nordic]

I was talking about the same sticks on a different board. I don't have another DDR4 system to test with. I have stuck with DDR3 until this build. I think seeing the same memory work on other ryzen systems is relevant because it shows that ryzen isn't finicky with this ram. Given that I can do 3533mhz Cas 14 and boot but not 3600mhz Cas 18 tells me it is probably not the memory, but the cpu or motherboard that is the issue. I have a hunch that it is the motherboard that is the issue, but like I said earlier, I am not 100% certain.

I think I should make a thread but it hasn't been that much of a priority. I have asked questions and received some help in this and other ryzen threads, but a dedicated thread to my issue would be a good idea when I am ready to do that.

 

[EarthDog]

So as I said, same sticks, not the same board.

I think seeing the same memory work on other ryzen systems is relevant because it shows that ryzen isn't finicky with this ram.

Sorry, no... you can't really extrapolate that from the given info.

Ryzen IS finicky with RAM... it isn't nearly as bad as Ryzen 1, but Ryzen 3 is still not up to Intel where you can throw in potatos and it will work, lol.

 

[Nordic]

You can't elaborate that. I should have communicated more clearly.

 

[HTC]

I was talking about the same sticks on a different board. I don't have another DDR4 system to test with. I have stuck with DDR3 until this build. I think seeing the same memory work on other ryzen systems is relevant because it shows that ryzen isn't finicky with this ram. Given that I can do 3533mhz Cas 14 and boot but not 3600mhz Cas 18 tells me it is probably not the memory, but the cpu or motherboard that is the issue. I have a hunch that it is the motherboard that is the issue, but like I said earlier, I am not 100% certain.

I think I should make a thread but it hasn't been that much of a priority. I have asked questions and received some help in this and other ryzen threads, but a dedicated thread to my issue would be a good idea when I am ready to do that.

Do you happen to have a friend that has a Ryzen CPU to help you out with that? All it's needed is to swap the sticks for yours and perform MemTest overnight @ the rated speeds, and then take pics of it, to document.

 

[tabascosauz]

If you think Ryzen 3000 is hard when it comes to RAM, be glad you missed the 1000 series, it was much, much worse.
I had no problems with my "random" RAM that I admittedly got for my new build, as I had major issues with my old Corsair RAM as well.
You might be right on the other hand that Corsair RAM and AMD is a bad mix.
Note that only 2933MHz is officially supported for dual rank memory on Ryzen 3000, so going with higher clocks than that, isn't guaranteed. That said, some people here on the forums have managed 3600MHz.

Yeah, I figured it was the dual rank 32GB and it being 3200 at the same time that did it in. Fastest 32GB on the QVL is 2666. Though I think it's probably the board as well, the X570I Aorus supports up to 64GB and would probably better leverage the 3700X's ability to run 32GB. Even at JEDEC 2133, having both sticks in wouldn't post. GPU fan twitching and what not.

Unfortunately, no b-dies are in stock locally. So I'll have to settle for 3200 C16. The Corsair is still the cheapest and being LPX would allow me to push-pull my D9L properly, but something tells me I should just pony up $30 more for the Trident Z instead. G.skill has always been good to me with fast ram (like the Sniper 1866 C9 that I gave away a couple of years ago on here). Worst case, maybe I'll pull-pull my D9L instead.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Yeah, I figured it was the dual rank 32GB and it being 3200 at the same time that did it in. Fastest 32GB on the QVL is 2666. Though I think it's probably the board as well, the X570I Aorus supports up to 64GB and would probably better leverage the 3700X's ability to run 32GB. Even at JEDEC 2133, having both sticks in wouldn't post. GPU fan twitching and what not.

Unfortunately, no b-dies are in stock locally. So I'll have to settle for 3200 C16. The Corsair is still the cheapest and being LPX would allow me to push-pull my D9L properly, but something tells me I should just pony up $30 more for the Trident Z instead. G.skill has always been good to me with fast ram (like the Sniper 1866 C9 that I gave away a couple of years ago on here). Worst case, maybe I'll pull-pull my D9L instead.

Very odd, still, Corsair doesn't seem to have the best RAM for Ryzen.

Try Hynix CJR, they seem to work quite pain free as well, although not as quite as low latencies.

Spotted another 3800X review, which seems to make a difference between the 3700X and 3800X, somehow...

AMD Ryzen 7 3800X review

We reviewed pretty much all Series 3000 processors from AMD, however one review had been missing, until today that is, join us un a review of the feisty and spicy Ryzen 7 3800X eight-core processor. ... Introduction

www.guru3d.com

 

[tabascosauz]

Very odd, still, Corsair doesn't seem to have the best RAM for Ryzen.

Try Hynix CJR, they seem to work quite pain free as well, although not as quite as low latencies.

Spotted another 3800X review, which seems to make a difference between the 3700X and 3800X, somehow...

AMD Ryzen 7 3800X review

We reviewed pretty much all Series 3000 processors from AMD, however one review had been missing, until today that is, join us un a review of the feisty and spicy Ryzen 7 3800X eight-core processor. ... Introduction

www.guru3d.com

I wondered, is Intel paying more to have these kits optimized for them or has Ryzen IMC just been such a shitter up until Matisse that no one has bothered making anything except B-die certified for ryzen?

What do you know, TPU actually has a review on the Trident Z GTZ kit. Still doesn't tell me who makes the NAND though.

 

[Nordic]

Do you happen to have a friend that has a Ryzen CPU to help you out with that? All it's needed is to swap the sticks for yours and perform MemTest overnight @ the rated speeds, and then take pics of it, to document.

I do not. My roommates and I have in total about 5 desktops in the house. I am the first one of our group of friends to upgrade into ddr4. For my Intel systems I would buy a $20 celeron just for troubleshooting purposes. I may have to find an amd equivalent.

 

[EarthDog]

Keep in mind any Zen+ cpu likely wont be able to run 32gb at 3600 in the first place. It would have to be a zen 2/ryzen 3 cpu.

 

[HTC]

I do not. My roommates and I have in total about 5 desktops in the house. I am the first one of our group of friends to upgrade into ddr4. For my Intel systems I would buy a $20 celeron just for troubleshooting purposes. I may have to find an amd equivalent.

Bummer

 

[Vario]

It is the cheapest board on the X570 chipset for ASRock IIRC... what did you expect? the other boards are better... at least the two I have.

Not sure what you are reading but I can tell you the parts I had are not the same. Builldzoid has a vid in fact on the ITX board touting its VRM (and hating on the IC's in the memory area).

Is that memory on the QVL list? remember, this is AMD Ryzen and it can certainly be finicky.

The M/Pro 4 is usually the budget lineup. On Z370, the M Pro 4 had a different and inferior VRM design compared to the upper mainstream Extreme4, Fatal1ty, Gaming, Taichi, etc.

It appears the same holds true for X570 but I don't know enough about these parts to say the degree.

Motherboard	Controller	High Side	Low Side	Chokes	Doubler
ASRock X570 Aqua	IR35201 (6+2)	IR3555 (12)	Unknown/Not Applicable	12	IR3599 (6)
ASRock X570 Creator	IR35201 (6+2)	IR3555 (12)	Unknown/Not Applicable	12	IR3599 (6)
ASRock X570 Taichi	ISL69147 (6+1)	SIC634 (12)	SIC632A (12)	12	ISL6617A (7)
ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming X	ISL69147 (6+1)	SIC634 (12)	SIC632A (12)	12	ISL6617A (7)
ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming 4	UP9505PQGW (4+2)	UP1962SD (8) or Sino power SM4337 (8)	SM4336	8	UP1961SQ (4)
ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming-ITX TB3	ISL69147 (4+2)	ISL99227 (8)	Unknown/Not Applicable	8	ISL6617A (4)
ASRock X570 Steel Legend	ISL69147 (4+2)	SIC634 (8)	SIC632A (8)	8	ISL6617A (4)
ASRock X570 Extreme4	ISL69147 (4+2)	SIC634 (8)	SIC632A (8)	8	ISL6617A (4)
ASRock X570 Pro4	UP9505PQGW (4+2)	UP1962SD (8) or Sino power SM4337 (8)	SM4336	8	UP1961SQ (4)
ASRock X570M Pro4	UP9505PQGW (4+2)	UP1962SD (8) or Sino power SM4337 (8)	SM4336	8	UP1961SQ (4)