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Do you use Linux?


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Been using Ubuntu (Gnome) as the main operating system for a while now.

Most of the stuff works but I do have to google stuff occasionally. Games run fine via Steam/Proton. Have used Wine before, it was ok too.

My laptop still runs Windows though due to Optimus (Nv + Intel) and as a general backup/secondary machine. The laptop has no audio on Linux due to some driver issues with Lenovo.
 
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I love it!

Linux mint on my main computer.

Bazzite for gaming purposes. Smooth and I couch play. Has come along way. Currently playing RE4 remake.

Since my hardware is non-Windows 11 compliant. No need to upgrade or spend what I don't have just to meet windows requirements.
these stupid "w11 hw req" are useless, unless you personally understand, that your cpu+gpu+ram amount/speed+storage volume/speed will allow you to run w11 BUTTer smooth;)
what I mean: let's see 2 examples.
1. CPU Core i5-2400. Technically, you could use w11. Practically, I find this CPU slowa** for this OS, lol
2. CPU Core i7-4770, RAM speed 1600, amount 16 GB. Used it with w11, worked "okay". :)
 
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Which system boot menu? what's the best way to go about doing a dual boot on separate drives? everytime I have dual booted when I wanted to remove linux was always leftover with the linux boot loader/selector even though the install had been deleted/wiped, has put me off trying again though I can use linux for 90% of the time for what I do on my PC and would be nice to try it again as it's been probably 12+ mths.
Google keywords you're looking for are "windows boot manager" and "grub2" (if UEFI).

As other's have mentioned, avoiding bootloaders and going "BIOS"/hardware is by far the easiest.

However, I do quite like Grub. Haven't dualbooted in a while (don't reboot, uptime go up) but I remember it was annoying to setup but great once you figured it out, since Grub supports everything. If you're too lazy (read: sunk cost fallacy) to blat/fix your MBR you can also just tell Grub to immediately boot into Windows. Exact method varies depending on which order you installed OSes, which version of Windows etc. hence annoying. But once you've got grub properly setup it should be good.

At least until a major Windows update "accidentally" sets Windows Boot Manager back to primary. Which is technically what you want anyway lol

If you're (not you, but the royal "you're", like the public at large,) manually configuring fstab, I would highly recommend not using drive letter/number assignments directly for this very reason. It's far better practice to use the block device UUID instead or a label. Just something that is going to persist regardless of the boot order or order devices are connected to the system. Just my 2¢ as I've been burned by doing this in the past.
WWNs are pretty neat too, for consistency with physical disks. Useful if you blat entire disks and do strange things. Like if you want to propogate something down to KVMs, you just wang it in the xml (I assume other hypervisors can do similar things). That said, NVMEs exist now (no WWN...) but you typically only have one which shows up as /dev/nvme0. I say that while having 2 on my PC... but only seen 1 on servers so far.
Been using Ubuntu (Gnome) as the main operating system for a while now.

Most of the stuff works but I do have to google stuff occasionally. Games run fine via Steam/Proton. Have used Wine before, it was ok too.

My laptop still runs Windows though due to Optimus (Nv + Intel) and as a general backup/secondary machine. The laptop has no audio on Linux due to some driver issues with Lenovo.
Googling is a dark art. I find Windows a pain to google strange things for. The Microsoft documentation is surprisingly correct for how large it is but there's the occasional inconsistency and (I assume) intentional ommission. Like this page "forgetting" to mention it works on Linux guests as well.

Maybe it's because I'm more comfortable with Linux from work, so have an easier time debugging before heading to google. You sort of need to know what you're googling for before you can google something... Also some things are just a pain to google. Recently tried googling "expressvpn preserve diagnostic logs" which just results in a billion hits of people paranoid about or praising expressvpns log policy :banghead:
 
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these stupid "w11 hw req" are useless, unless you personally understand, that your cpu+gpu+ram amount/speed+storage volume/speed will allow you to run w11 BUTTer smooth;)
They're not just useless, they're not actually requirements. There are workarounds for installing Windows 11 on machines without SecureBoot or a TPM. My i7 3930k dual boots Ubuntu and Windows 11 despite not having a TPM. A quick google search will turn up some results if you search for "Windows 11 bypass requirements regedit" like this.
 

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However, I do quite like Grub. Haven't dualbooted in a while (don't reboot, uptime go up) but I remember it was annoying to setup but great once you figured it out, since Grub supports everything. If you're too lazy (read: sunk cost fallacy) to blat/fix your MBR you can also just tell Grub to immediately boot into Windows. Exact method varies depending on which order you installed OSes, which version of Windows etc. hence annoying. But once you've got grub properly setup it should be good.
Grub is useful for booting more than one kernel. If you upgrade to the latest and greatest and run into trouble, just select your backup kernel from the menu and you're back in business. It's also a great way to add one-time parameters to the kernel, should you want to try them first before writing them down for every boot.
 
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I've used RHEL before in a past job. It wasn't that much heavier than regular Ubuntu. Also I thought Ubuntu Pro just offered some more niceties like live kernel patching and extended security patches for older versions of Ubuntu. I didn't think it was bloating up systems or really changing them in any significant way. I thought that what you were really paying for was enterprise support when you do something like this.
 

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@Epaminombas The thread is called "do you use Linux?", meaning it's about personal usage. Why did you feel like making it about enterprise and Windows?
 

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This is a "do you use linux?" thread, not a "Windows is terrible and everyone but the trolls know it" thread. Stay on topic.
 
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windows and mac for the front end, linux for the backend.
ive got a 16-core denverton atom file server running debian to shell out smb, aria2-rpc, and remote-transmission
a raspberry pi remote atx power switch, using piface-relay no longer usable on modern distros im retiring for nano-kvm soon.
ive also got a ryzen 5300G 2u custom built server i use for running openvpn and standalone game servers, conan-exiles minecraft etc.

im running mikrotik x86 on an 8320e (last chip without amd psp but still containing aes offload instructions.) which is linux based but closed source.
 
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windows and mac for the front end, linux for the backend.
ive got a 16-core denverton atom file server running debian to shell out smb, aria2-rpc, and remote-transmission
a raspberry pi remote atx power switch, using piface-relay no longer usable on modern distros im retiring for nano-kvm soon.
ive also got a ryzen 5300G 2u custom built server i use for running openvpn and standalone game servers, conan-exiles minecraft etc.

im running mikrotik x86 on an 8320e (last chip without amd psp but still containing aes offload instructions.) which is linux based but closed source.
Speaking of random things with Linux, Android also runs on it. There's an app called Termux that basically runs a Linux distro off of the phones kernel. Neat for grepping on the go.
 
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1. CPU Core i5-2400. Technically, you could use w11. Practically, I find this CPU slowa** for this OS, lol
2. CPU Core i7-4770, RAM speed 1600, amount 16 GB. Used it with w11, worked "okay". :)
2400 is quite slow but the 4770 walks all over my server stuff with ease.
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Perfect for containers, virtual kit or just dedicated to H.264 streaming. Might be sitting on gold here.
While I'm strictly Windows Server, there are far more efficient kits available on linux.
 
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I highly recommend Lutris as a front-end for all of your games! It's similar to Playnite on Windows if you've used that? It can auto-import games from various stores, you can set up emulators through it and it handles the downloading/updating of GE-Proton in the background for any non-Steam games. It even has a series of online scripts to auto-install some games/stores for you.

It is a LITTLE janky at times but once you have it set up right it just works.
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installed it from the POP! Shop, had to update dpkg manually in the terminal and found the cmd in about 30 seconds, then it installed and runs, will try to set up some accounts and see how I get on :toast:
 
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Grub is useful for booting more than one kernel. If you upgrade to the latest and greatest and run into trouble, just select your backup kernel from the menu and you're back in business. It's also a great way to add one-time parameters to the kernel, should you want to try them first before writing them down foe every boot.
Exactly. I also appreciate that Grub gives me easy access to the UEFI menu. People sometimes complain that Grub is easy to break, but I've never had a problem with it.
 
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Exactly. I also appreciate that Grub gives me easy access to the UEFI menu. People sometimes complain that Grub is easy to break, but I've never had a problem with it.
I used to use Grub until I found systemd-boot. It is really simple to configure and straightforward to use, it's great. The bootloader is configured by /boot/loader/loader.conf, all boot entries are individual text files in /boot/loader/entries. No need to mess around with grub-update or anything like that either.

I think Grub is still the default for most major distros mind you?
 
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I used to use Grub until I found systemd-boot. It is really simple to configure and straightforward to use, it's great. The bootloader is configured by /boot/loader/loader.conf, all boot entries are individual text files in /boot/loader/entries. No need to mess around with grub-update or anything like that either.

I think Grub is still the default for most major distros mind you?
+1 for systemd-boot, way simpler and easier to deal with IMO.
 
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Exactly. I also appreciate that Grub gives me easy access to the UEFI menu. People sometimes complain that Grub is easy to break, but I've never had a problem with it.

Grub is obsolete


grub is far too complicated. Better as lilo. regardless if grub 1 or grub 2.

i used the MSI B550 gaming edge wifi, now the ASUS Prime x670-P mainboard uefi bootloader. Just one command to tell where teh bootfile is.

I power on my mainboard and press f9 key which opens teh uefi bootloader. than i can select my boot entries or go into the uefi menu. msi had a different key for the bootlaoder menu.

to make things easier i use a single file which i create as efi boot stub kernel, see https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/EFI_boot_stub

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asus also forgets the boot entries when my default boot entry is windows 11 pro. e.g after cmos reset or uefi updates.
i found a permanet solution. i set my bootfile as default bootable. now the bootentry is never forgotten.

windows is always added to the uefi bootlist. microsoft implemented some sort of mechanism. gnu linux does not have that mechanism.

Summary: Just don't use grub. It's too fragile and not necessary

I never ever touched my bootloader entry since hardware platform change to am5 in may 2023.


Code:
efibootmgr -v

.....
Boot0002* Debug2    HD(****************************************************************)/\system_test.efi

That's all to boot my gnu gentoo linux
Code:
Sienna_Cichlid /boot # ls -alh /boot/system_test.efi
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 22M Feb 23 04:07 /boot/system_test.efi

When you own legacy hardware like the ASUS-G75vw notebook with an ivybridge processor and old bios than you need grub of course. That was intel 3rd generation intel core processors, now we are at 15th generation.
 
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grub is fragile, granted.

But it does a few tricks you don't get with other boot mangelers. For example, imagine you have a multi-boot machine with Linux and FreeBSD or 2x Linux. You want to reboot into the other OS while the machine is 9000km away. With grub you can edit grub.cfg to start the next OS of your choice.
 
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grub is fragile, granted.

But it does a few tricks you don't get with other boot mangelers. For example, imagine you have a multi-boot machine with Linux and FreeBSD or 2x Linux. You want to reboot into the other OS while the machine is 9000km away. With grub you can edit grub.cfg to start the next OS of your choice.
Not sure if I'm missing something from your example, but systemd-boot allows that as well, just issue a `systemctl reboot --boot-loader-entry=your-entry-name` and you should be good to go.
 
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I used to use Grub until I found systemd-boot. It is really simple to configure and straightforward to use, it's great. The bootloader is configured by /boot/loader/loader.conf, all boot entries are individual text files in /boot/loader/entries. No need to mess around with grub-update or anything like that either.

I think Grub is still the default for most major distros mind you?
I know about systemd-boot but I haven't used it. I know grub-mkconfig is an extra step, but I have always looked at it as a safety guard against sloppy edits, typos and such.
 
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