Does anyone care about 10Gb LAN? (Poll)

[Chrispy_]

I am looking to see if people care if motherboards have 10Gb LAN.

I voted yes, but not for SFP+ ports.

Home users typically don't want the noisy rackmount switches that have 10GbE SFP+ and few homes, if any, are wired with fibre patch panels. SFP transceivers are also pretty expensive and the cheaper TwinAx copper DAC cables are short and inflexible.

10GbE over CAT6a will run up to around 37m I think which is a perfectly usable distance for your average consumer.

This is just my opinion, but home ethernet is either WiFi or RJ45 ethernet socket. For those few instances where people actually need 10GbE via an SFP+ port, then just put an add-in card in. That's what all those empty PCIe slots on the motherboard are for.

On a side note, I just wish more decent, cheap 2.5Gb switches existed. They're coming soon with new, cheaper SoCs but they're at least 5 years overdue and hindering the adoption of 2.5Gb.

 

[TheLostSwede]

10GbE over CAT6a will run up to around 37m I think which is a perfectly usable distance for your average consumer.

100 meters over CAT6A, 50 meters over CAT6.

 

[Chrispy_]

100 meters over CAT6A, 50 meters over CAT6.

Ah okay. I have the number 37-55m in my head for something, I thought that was CAT6A-CAT7 but either way, 50m is plenty as a worst-case.

 

[birdie]

2.5Gbps is a good middle ground and nowadays it costs almost the same as old good 1Gbps. Switches are still super expensive though.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Ah okay. I have the number 37-55m in my head for something, I thought that was CAT6A-CAT7 but either way, 50m is plenty as a worst-case.

CAT7 isn't part of the regular Ethernet standard, the next step up is CAT8.

 

[Mussels]

Long term yes

I only have 50Mb internet and dont even see how people can benefit from gigabit without a whole lotta people in that house, but for local file transfer 1Gb is way behind even SATA SSD's, let alone NVME.

 

[silentbogo]

I only have 50Mb internet and dont even see how people can benefit from gigabit without a whole lotta people in that house

Depends on the location/country. In my area most ISPs already started to phase-out plans under 100Mbit/s (including infamous Ukrtelecom, formerly owned by govt., and later by oligarch Akhmetov), which means gigabit WAN is a must nowadays. I have several friends that run small local ISP companies, and they only keep 50Mbit/s plans for very remote areas(or the ones with very few clients).
Another good motivator, is that any plan usually comes with gigabit speeds within UA-IX and other Ukrainian exchange networks, which is not only useful for synicing data between servers, but for more mundane things, like mom watching her favorite new show in UHD, while father is watching some weirdo fixing up an old motorcycle on Youtube (also in 4K), while their kid can easily download a new 100+GB title off Steam without interfering with parents and without losing bandwidth. 100Mbit/s sounds like a lot, but it's very easy to cap out today. Back when I had my semi-free 100Mbit/s connection, I had to leave rsync going overnight. After I moved and got faster internet - the same task takes only 2-2.5 hours, which makes my life helluvalot easier.

 

[The red spirit]

RAID is not a backup.

Thus quote marks.

 

[Chrispy_]

CAT7 isn't part of the regular Ethernet standard, the next step up is CAT8.

That's just a political bickering and willy waving contest between the ISO standards body and the TIA though.

Cat7 was ratified for 10GbE over 100M back in 2006 so that's what people have been using in new builds and fitouts for a decade. As for CAT8, it's not general purpose cabling for office/residential use, so irrelevant in this discussion about consumer motherboards for home PCs.

 

[TheLostSwede]

That's just a political bickering and willy waving contest between the ISO standards body and the TIA though.

Cat7 was ratified for 10GbE over 100M back in 2006 so that's what people have been using in new builds and fitouts for a decade. As for CAT8, it's not general purpose cabling for office/residential use, so irrelevant in this discussion about consumer motherboards for home PCs.

Still, CAT7 Ethernet cables aren't really for part of the standard. Then again, nothing "better" than CAT6A is needed, there are zero reasons to pay more in this case.
I see people claiming their internet speeds improved because they got a CAT7 cables, which is yeah...

 

[The King]

I have not used lan for years! remove it and drop the price of the board even more should be another option. lol

 

[Chrispy_]

Still, CAT7 Ethernet cables aren't really for part of the standard. Then again, nothing "better" than CAT6A is needed, there are zero reasons to pay more in this case.
I see people claiming their internet speeds improved because they got a CAT7 cables, which is yeah...

CAT7 is just what is used now. Ethernet is one of several possible uses of CAT7 cabling so if the TIA wants to backtrack on what was ratified in 2006, nobody cares. ISO > TIA.

 

[TheLostSwede]

CAT7 is just what is used now. Ethernet is one of several possible uses of CAT7 cabling so if the TIA wants to backtrack on what was ratified in 2006, nobody cares. ISO > TIA.

That's not true though. It's something being sold to people who don't know anything about cables and costs at least 2-3x as much as a regular CAT6 or CAT6A cable.

I have not used lan for years! remove it and drop the price of the board even more should be another option. lol

Yeah no thanks. Ethernet always work, unlike WiFi.

 

[bonehead123]

I would rather have 10Gb (or anything faster than 1Gb) internet service 1st, then I would consider thinking about the wiring from my cable box to my router, which is currently all Cat7 ethernet running out to my 1Gb switches...

Yea, I know there are people who will say that Cat7 is unnecessary, but when re-wiring my house recently, I figured why not, perhaps it might "future proof" me for a few years or so...

I will NOT, under any circumstances, be getting wireless from the street to my house... it just aint happening, period, no if's, and's, or butts about it, just gimme those damned wires with 2.5/5/10G and I'll be happy (unless my ISP goes bankrupt...yea, right!)

 

[Chrispy_]

That's not true though. It's something being sold to people who don't know anything about cables and costs at least 2-3x as much as a regular CAT6 or CAT6A cable.

CAT7 vs CAT6A?
Cost is irrelevant, even when buying kilometers of the stuff for a fitout - because the cable cost itself is almost negligible compared to the labour and termination hardware at each end.

As I said, CAT7 is used in buildings for more than just ethernet and having better quality cable installed is just the obvious choice as it can cost hundreds of times more than the cable is worth in labour and downtime to change it later. Fitouts almost always spec the highest cable commonly available to maximise its useful lifespan. Perhaps CAT7 isn't a TIA-approved standard but we know it handles 10GbE like CAT6A does, being fully-backwards compatible - but perhaps it will handle a future 25GbE while CAT6A needs to be torn out and replaced at huge expense.

 

[Dr. Dro]

My setup is running CAT5E cabling, it's a gigabit network, but it's never really been a problem. I agree that it's wise to invest a bit in more expensive, advanced standard patch cables if you plan to futureproof a permanent installation, but I must confess I just have the dang ol' blue cable running across my living room for the time being

 

[bonehead123]

CAT7 vs CAT6A?
Cost is irrelevant, even when buying kilometers of the stuff for a fitout - because the cable cost itself is almost negligible compared to the labour and termination hardware at each end.

As I said, CAT7 is used in buildings for more than just ethernet and having better quality cable installed is just the obvious choice as it can cost hundreds of times more than the cable is worth in labour and downtime to change it later. Fitouts almost always spec the highest cable commonly available to maximise its useful lifespan. Perhaps CAT7 isn't a TIA-approved standard but we know it handles 10GbE like CAT6A does, being fully-backwards compatible - but perhaps it will handle a future 25GbE while CAT6A needs to be torn out and replaced at huge expense.

I came across this issue a while back while working on an multi-billion $$ industrical project that involved data, telecom, security and digital voice wiring. The original contract, signed in 2018, called for Cat5e.... but once the structures were complete, the conduits installed, and we were getting ready to actually pull the cable in 2020, it was clear that the obvious choice would be to go with Cat7 instead, for many reasons, not the least of which would have been the ginormous downtime & costs of tearing out the Cat5 & upgrading to Cat6, 7 or 8 in the future...

Yes it cost the project owners (big energy co.) moar moolah up front, but considering what they were already spending on the project, it was a drop in the proverbial bucket. The facility & all of it's systems are & have been operating at peak efficiency since mid-2020 with absolutely ZERO networking issues to date... no signal integrity concerns, no data losses or slow transmission speeds, no lost calls, no grainy, unviewable security footage, nope....notta... nuthin... zip...

 

[mechtech]

As the thread states, I am looking to see if people care if motherboards have 10Gb LAN.

Yes and no. We need something faster than 1Gb. Even a regular raid 1 hdd NAS can saturate 1Gb network. You’d need 5Gb for sata ssd and more for raid 0 or nvme drives. 2.5 is a welcome step from 1, but I feel like 5 should be minimum in 2022 and 10 the preferred/enthusiast option.

I came across this issue a while back while working on an multi-billion $$ industrical project that involved data, telecom, security and digital voice wiring. The original contract, signed in 2018, called for Cat5e.... but once the structures were complete, the conduits installed, and we were getting ready to actually pull the cable in 2020, it was clear that the obvious choice would be to go with Cat7 instead, for many reasons, not the least of which would have been the ginormous downtime & costs of tearing out the Cat5 & upgrading to Cat6, 7 or 8 in the future...

Yes it cost the project owners (big energy co.) moar moolah up front, but considering what they were already spending on the project, it was a drop in the proverbial bucket. The facility & all of it's systems are & have been operating at peak efficiency since mid-2020 with absolutely ZERO networking issues to date... no signal integrity concerns, no data losses or slow transmission speeds, no lost calls, no grainy, unviewable security footage, nope....notta... nuthin... zip...

Cat 7 wasn’t available when I wired my old home. But regular meh stuff got cat 6 and my stuff and other possibly higher demand future stuff got 6a/6a shielded.

 

[newtekie1]

I believe they meant that 3500 MB/s turns out to be around 28 Gbps of bandwidth, so even lower end Gen 3 drives should be able to saturate a 10GbE uplink (1250 MB/s)

Poor guy's arguing in a tech forum, in a thread about networking, and doesn't know the difference between Gb and GB.

100 meters over CAT6A, 50 meters over CAT6.

Funny thing is, the 37m rating is the rating for 10Gb on Cat5e. Which there still seems to be a lot of people that seem to think you can't use Cat5e at all with 10Gb for some reason.

 

[P4-630]

Changed my vote "Do you want 10Gb LAN on a Motherboard?" to YES.

Do I need it now? No, but my motherboard has it.

 

[ThrashZone]

Changed my vote "Do you want 10Gb LAN on a Motherboard?" to YES.

Do I need it now? No, but my motherboard has it.

Hi,
That's not what the title or thread states

 

[P4-630]

Hi,
That's not what the title or thread states

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I read it yes, but the poll question says: "Do you want 10Gb LAN on a Motherboard?"....

If the poll said "do you care"? I say no.

 

[ThrashZone]

I read it yes, but the poll question says: "Do you want 10Gb LAN on a Motherboard?"....

If the poll said "do you care"? I say no.

Hi,
Nice you have it on your board already at least you have the option if you choose to use it in the future

 

[P4-630]

Hi,
Nice you have it on your board already at least you have the option if you choose to use it in the future

LOL I said that before in this thread!
But yes.

Does anyone care about 10Gb LAN? (Poll)

As the thread states, I am looking to see if people care if motherboards have 10Gb LAN.

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[defaultluser]

Wont pay extra, because without a multi-disk nas array, I have yet to consistently exceed the transfer rate of a single red hdd

I find 2.5g running on my existing cat5e a much better upgrade path -but only once I upgrade all of these data drives to sata ssds ( probably another decade)