dram light turn on sometimes on my motherboard

[khjhpopasa]

Gigabyte 100% supports that memory kit because it is validated by them and on the QVL list. However, AMD does not.

Anything above DDR5-5200 for Ryzen 7000 series is considered a user overclock and not supported by AMD.

Max Memory Speed: 2x1R DDR5-5200

https://www.amd.com/en/product/12166

as I know it like all intel cpu last gen was support only 3200basic memory DDR4 and still work with 3600 and above that why I got profile xmp

I understand there may be a language barrier here. The risk to the CPU comes from needing high IMC voltage to get it stable (or even booting). That will damage your CPU overtime. The motherboard QVL list is misleading. Not just Gigabyte here, all the vendors do it. All the list means, is someone in a lab validated it to work on that motherboard. This does not indicate voltage needed and its always validated with a ES CPU (engineering sample) that has a excellent IMC. I wish vendors would stop listing speeds that are unlikely to work for daily use and or us normals. Its been this way for years now. Not going to change anytime soon.

I will leave it here. IF you do not change anything, two things will happen. A corrupted OS and a dead CPU. There is evidence high SoC voltage is killing CPUs, I have no doubt you are at 1.35+ already from the motherboards auto settings.

Trust the advice given above!

I encouraged a friend of mine to jump on the AM5 bandwagon and he picked up a 6400Mhz/32CL Kingston Renegade kit (we thought we got a great deal but far from it). It seemed to work fine until launching games resulted to constant restarts and BF2042 was stuttering like crazy before freezing up and on top sometimes the system wasn't posting after exiting BIOS. Tried a bunch of stuff but nothing worked for him until he dialed down/selected a lower freq preset to 5600Mhz which worked perfectly fine. We were supposed to run higher frequencies or presets and each time stress test, run games, etc.... but he had enough with the first round of tests and settled with 5600Mhz.

Whether its QVL supported or not, 6400Mhz doesn't seem to have been rigorously tested for some of these boards. Or we have to wander what tests were they running to determine seamless compatibility.

More importantly, there are new developments you should be aware of where BIOS settings are causing problems and burning chips up. The guys above are clearly warning you to avoid damaging your system (esp. CPU, mobo and memory). AMD has identified the problem (or some of the problems) and have issued a patch for board manufacturers to provide BIOS updates. Everyone on AM5 is encouraged to commit to these BIOS updates. Set everything on default, update your BIOS and settle with a less problematic memory profile (~6000mhz).

I change memory xmp to 6000MHZ and change all bios setting to default and still have that issue, only when my xmp is off with default 4800mhz it work well.
So the problem is motherboard?

 

[Shrek]

New BIOS yesterday

B650 AORUS ELITE AX (rev. 1.x) Support | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global

"Certain EXPO/XMP memory performance may be impacted due to this change."

 

[khjhpopasa]

New BIOS yesterday

B650 AORUS ELITE AX (rev. 1.x) Support | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global

"Certain EXPO/XMP memory performance may be impacted due to this change."

My bios version is f3

 

[wheresmycar]

I change memory xmp to 6000MHZ and change all bios setting to default and still have that issue, only when my xmp is off with default 4800mhz it work well.
So the problem is motherboard?

Have you updated BIOS?

If not, update your BIOS to the latest version. Once done, set BIOS to default. Make sure "EXPO" is disabled. Then try XMP @ 5600~6000Mhz.

 

[Shrek]

My bios version is f3

the latest is F5c

"Follow AMD guidance to limit max. SOC voltage to 1.3V for Ryzen 7000 series X3D and non-X3D CPUs."

 

[wheresmycar]

^ this

I'm surprised they only dropped the F5c update yesterday (unless something was covering previously)

 

[khjhpopasa]

the latest is F5c

"Follow AMD guidance to limit max. SOC voltage to 1.3V for Ryzen 7000 series X3D and non-X3D CPUs."

What this mean if I update to f5c it will work? 6400mhz

^ this

I'm surprised they only dropped the F5c update yesterday (unless something was covering previously)

I dont want to risk my cpu with this configuratuons

 

[Shrek]

Quite the opposite, it protects your CPU

"Follow AMD guidance to limit max. SOC voltage to 1.3V for Ryzen 7000 series X3D and non-X3D CPUs."

New BIOS updates try to keep Ryzen 7000X3D processors from frying themselves [Updated] | Ars Technica

 

[khjhpopasa]

Quite the opposite, it protects your CPU

"Follow AMD guidance to limit max. SOC voltage to 1.3V for Ryzen 7000 series X3D and non-X3D CPUs."

New BIOS updates try to keep Ryzen 7000X3D processors from frying themselves [Updated] | Ars Technica

If I update to 5 instead 3 it fix it? or still need to change somethijng in bios?

 

[ir_cow]

What this mean if I update to f5c it will work? 6400mhz

Please understand that 6400 will never work with that CPU. Update the BIOS right now so you don't kill the CPU.

 

[khjhpopasa]

Please understand that 6400 will never work with that CPU. Update the BIOS right now so you don't kill the CPU.

and if I change motherboard?

and if I change motherboard?

Even 6000mhz doesn't work if cpu burn it coverage?

 

[Dr. Dro]

ok, so how I should to know it before buy? if memory on support list

edit: and if i was but that motherbaord instead?

GIGABYTE B650E AORUS MASTER AM5 AMD B650 DDR5​

my memory kit is KF564C32RS-16*2 and on the list b650 aorus elite ax

Buying a new motherboard will not resolve the issue. The issue is Ryzen itself, if you want to run memory faster and flex it to its true potential, you need to buy an Intel system, and one with a Z790 motherboard that is adequate for memory overclocks, that is to say, has only two slots for memory sticks. Needless to say this isn't worth it for someone in your situation.

I have a i9-13900KS and a high end motherboard that has four sticks: bought the highest end kit on my board's QVL, rated 6800 - I can only run it at 6400 and no higher, with what's practically THE best CPU you can buy for memory tweaking right now.

 

[khjhpopasa]

Buying a new motherboard will not resolve the issue. The issue is Ryzen itself, if you want to run memory faster and flex it to its true potential, you need to buy an Intel system, and one with a Z790 motherboard that is adequate for memory overclocks, that is to say, has only two slots for memory sticks. Needless to say this isn't worth it for someone in your situation.

I have a i9-13900KS and a high end motherboard that has four sticks: bought the highest end kit on my board's QVL, rated 6800 - I can only run it at 6400 and no higher, with what's practically THE best CPU you can buy for memory tweaking right now.

I really cant get it so why it support list on motherboard if it possible it unfair! and my motherboard list I see even 6666mhz support so only 6400 and so much problems really?
if I keep to use it like that and my cpu or motherbaord or memory burn Does warranty cover it?

 

[ir_cow]

and if I change motherboard?

Highly unlikely. For me only MSI X670E ACE and ASRock X670E Taichi worked with 6400, but required voltage of 1.4 SoC and 1.35 VDDIO_mem. Other motherboards could not boot 6400 I tested (or was very unstable).

So if you found the right motherboard, increase the voltage it could work. But that is on the path to a dead CPU. Also don't update the BIOS or your limited to 1.3V SOC.

But please do update though and give up on 6400. We don't want to see you lose the hardware. It won't be covered by warranty.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I really cant get it so why it support list on motherboard if it possible it unfair! and my motherboard list I see even 6666mhz support so only 6400 and so much problems really?
if I keep to use it like that and my cpu or motherbaord or memory burn Does warranty cover it?

It's because it's validated to work well. Not necessarily at maximum speed.

The RAM I purchased for my motherboard works indeed very well with it. Just not at the maximum speed that it's rated to run at. Instead you should seek a more reasonable clock rate and lower your memory timings.

Like cow said warranty will not cover this damage (it will be very obvious) and CPU has real risk of catching fire running such very high SoC voltages. We're not kidding you here, see video from Gamers Nexus on it:

This is all before the obvious problem ahead of you: your memory isn't stable and you are already LOSING performance because of error correction and even then your computer already crashes all the time. You may even be banned from online games due to incorrect memory addresses being picked up by anti cheats.

If you insist on that "I paid for 6400 and 6400 I will use!" mentality it's all on you, accept the consequences you are bringing upon yourself and move on.

We've done our part but if you refuse to listen and insist there's no point in continuing this conversation any further.

 

[khjhpopasa]

It's because it's validated to work well. Not necessarily at maximum speed.

The RAM I purchased for my motherboard works indeed very well with it. Just not at the maximum speed that it's rated to run at. Instead you should seek a more reasonable clock rate and lower your memory timings.

Like cow said warranty will not cover this damage (it will be very obvious) and CPU has real risk of catching fire running such very high SoC voltages. We're not kidding you here, see video from Gamers Nexus on it:

This is all before the obvious problem ahead of you: your memory isn't stable and you are already LOSING performance because of error correction and even then your computer already crashes all the time. You may even be banned from online games due to incorrect memory addresses being picked up by anti cheats.

If you insist on that "I paid for 6400 and 6400 I will use!" mentality it's all on you, accept the consequences you are bringing upon yourself and move on.

We've done our part but if you refuse to listen and insist there's no point in continuing this conversation any further.

its not talk only about 7800X3D?

anyway with 6400Mhz I use cinabench with cpu 100% usage & undervolt 35% neg, and cpu temp was 88 only

Highly unlikely. For me only MSI X670E ACE and ASRock X670E Taichi worked with 6400, but required voltage of 1.4 SoC and 1.35 VDDIO_mem. Other motherboards could not boot 6400 I tested (or was very unstable).

So if you found the right motherboard, increase the voltage it could work. But that is on the path to a dead CPU. Also don't update the BIOS or your limited to 1.3V SOC.

But please do update though and give up on 6400. We don't want to see you lose the hardware. It won't be covered by warranty.

I did undervolt 35 negative all cores it can be a better choice?

 

[ir_cow]

I did undervolt 35 negative all cores it can be a better choice?

CPU Vcore has nothing to do with this.

 

[Dr. Dro]

its not talk only about 7800X3D?

anyway with 6400Mhz I use cinabench with cpu 100% usage & undervolt 35% neg, and cpu temp was 88 only


I did undervolt 35 negative all cores it can be a better choice?

You're missing the point as usual, and it's not only the X3D, all chips are subject to the same problem. People have fried 7900X and 7950X CPUs trying to do what you are trying to do.

Just do not run 6400 like at all. Lower it to 6000 and optimize timings. You are not getting the full performance out of your machine because of memory errors.

 

[khjhpopasa]

You're missing the point as usual, and it's not only the X3D, all chips are subject to the same problem. People have fried 7900X and 7950X CPUs trying to do what you are trying to do.

Just do not run 6400 like at all. Lower it to 6000 and optimize timings. You are not getting the full performance out of your machine because of memory errors.

So weird I update my bios to new version still smae problem in 6000mhz even.
on 6400mhz pc doesn't login how it possible worse then before?

 

[dgianstefani]

So weird I update my bios to new version still smae problem in 6000mhz even.
on 6400mhz pc doesn't login how it possible worse then before?

Yeah, so weird. How can it be that something multiple people have told me how and why it won't ever work, doesn't work??

Truly a head scratcher.

 

[Dr. Dro]

So weird I update my bios to new version still smae problem in 6000mhz even.
on 6400mhz pc doesn't login how it possible worse then before?

@ir_cow and I have already told you why it is so. It doesn't even start at such frequency because it wasn't stable to begin with. You were only getting a barely working mess because your motherboard was pumping automatic volts so high that they were well within the realm of actively dangerous for your hardware. This shouldn't have ever happened, but you shouldn't have ever tried pushing it so far, if you had read any review on these new CPUs you would have figured that these are unsafe settings.

Besides, you're still foolishly and persistently believing that your previous settings worked, it merely booted into Windows. Don't kid yourself, that system was never, ever going to pass any form of stability test. It's unstable at 6000 for the same reason, not to mention that you may already have experienced some degree of silicon degradation for insisting on running your system with such dangerous settings.

For now, you should leave your memory at default 4800 MT/s settings, then run a whole battery of stability tests (memtest86, then OCCT, then prime95 blend, each for about 3 hours) to assert if your CPU is stable at default settings and no hardware damage has occurred. Then enable EXPO but set your speed manually to 5600 gear 2, re-do it for about 30 minutes each, - if successful, finally try 6000 gear 2. Before settling on a final speed and set of timings, do those tests for 3 hours again and ensure they pass.

Do not be surprised if your processor prove uncooperative for 6000, there is a very real possibility that your processor may have already degraded, and that the timings of your 6400 kit may not work for 6000 on your configuration, 5600 is a good next ballpark.

 

[lemonadesoda]

Some people wont listen
Some people wont learn
Some people are contrary
Some people wont listen and wont learn and are contrary
We found one! BINGO!

 

[wheresmycar]

Guys come on give him a break.

Its possibly a language barrier... or just not in tune with understanding the multi-faceted snags. To be honest, i'm more frustrated with AMD and the board partners for doing a terrible job. Actually scorching CPUs/mobos isn't terrible at all its unacceptably outrageous.

This is a good and safe way forward from @Dr. Dro

For now, you should leave your memory at default 4800 MT/s settings, then run a whole battery of stability tests (memtest86, then OCCT, then prime95 blend, each for about 3 hours) to assert if your CPU is stable at default settings and no hardware damage has occurred. Then enable EXPO but set your speed manually to 5600 gear 2, re-do it for about 30 minutes each, - if successful, finally try 6000 gear 2. Before settling on a final speed and set of timings, do those tests for 3 hours again and ensure they pass.

If you eventually end up hitting 5600Mhz without a problem, you've hit gold. 5600~6000 from what we're seeing is the Zen 4 sweetspot so you can confidently assume you'll be getting some of the best performance out of the AM5 platform.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I get language barrier but if everyone is saying don't do it and the person does it anyway then we have a problem, aye?

We clearly want to help.

 

[dgianstefani]

I get language barrier but if everyone is saying don't do it and the person does it anyway then we have a problem, aye?

We clearly want to help.

It's more of a:

Here's free, high quality technical guidance from multiple people.
Person asking for help ignores it...

Ok. Bye.

Language barrier isn't a block in the age of right click-translate to x language.