DTS DCH Driver for Realtek HDA [DTS:X APO4 + DTS Interactive]

[Kabal81]

What audio chip are you using?

Board: X570 Gigabyte Aorus Elite
Chip: ALC1200

 

[emanresu]

@Ferather - your ole' mobo has that special circuit? Dedicated? Did you strung ze wire on it?

@purplenoice purpie, DTS is folding. Like MQA. That one bit is not part of the biting byte.

Also HF enhancing (up to 24kHz according to ole' TPU pic with Spektro). And low-cut.. more boom boom but not pure bass.

HDMi.. never go 48kHz or multiples of it (unless recording in it directly).
It will make your sausage sorcery sans soul.
It's just derp. 44.1 kHz 16 bit is rhythmic and edgy, think waves as round and the peaks as trianglefaced cones, paving the way for the phat wholesomeness to our ears.

R8Brain is pseudo-M/S (which Dolby TrueHD is) and Sox Sucks.

So here in 2022 we Spotify (uploads 44.1 16 .wav only) WITH Normalizer On(!? disable it.. now¡) with the app in our cellies/handies and get busy while outside commuting nature, suffering to Loudness War/aka Trap Mu$ikka/MK Ultra (now you know) - while later slowing down time to get swole with parked asses in the couch to digest that overlycompressed Netflix picture quality.. with accomodating sound in multiples of 48kHz (wohoo, no rhythm to follow); while the Englanders enjoy crisp British tongue-thwathwathatchery in Dolby Digital (adjusted for English - 'am so sorry my Afree brothas n sistas, we have to loo(w) n be held).

/Rant done.

Now where's my Brazilian? Where's Hackzilla and/or GameSpirit. Think I don't know you?

Tic 2 da PAC beychus

And uBlock Origin is the best AdBlocker.
Stop suffering.

And, if you get PURE 44.1 kHz MME input with Audacity (transport on, overdub off) (make sure everything in your setup/chain is 44.1kHz (if even possible with Failwdos)) - and output.

Et voilà, what phooking DTS X or Atmos (HT & HT) is needed? The whole 3D was always there. Stupid copyright jingles.

 

[Ferather]

@Kabal81, what formats does the SPDIF receiver accept? I am guessing the standard Dolby Digital and DTS Surround for 5.1?

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[Kabal81]

@Kabal81, what formats does the SPDIF receiver accept? I am guessing the standard Dolby Digital and DTS Surround for 5.1?

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Exactly. Dolby Digital and DTS

 

[Ferather]

So was the previous driver outputting Dolby or DTS?

 

[Kabal81]

So was the previous driver outputting Dolby or DTS?

It was Alans driver. So I guess it was DTS. But I'm not for sure.

 

[Ferather]

Hmm, I personally don't believe Dolby Digital out would be better than DTS Surround out:

DTS Surround: 5.1-channel 24-bit/48 kHz at 1509 kbit/s (HD)
Dolby Digital: 5.1-channel 16-bit/48 kHz at 640 kbit/s (SD)

I would guess Alan had done something with an older package and an enhancer.

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This driver has the DTS:X system as the pre-dsp, prior to compression to DTS Surround.

Here is a sample of Planetside 2, 6 channels are recorded as 2 with the recorder.

Planetside2 [DTS DCH] - 6Ch to 2Ch

Watch "Planetside2 [DTS DCH] - 6Ch to 2Ch" on Streamable.

streamable.com

Turn it up a little if needed.

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As a side note, Optical with lossy compression still sounds better than 32 bit analogue.

> Can depend on equipment, and DAC's.

 

[emanresu]

Dolby E then? Is Dolby E the max Dolby can stretch it wings in a SPDiFical fashion?

 

[Ferather]

If your SPDIF can do 2 x 192k @ 24 bit, then it can do [9216 kbit/s]. Dolby Digital Plus can be transmitted by SPDIF, if the hardware supports it, it has a maximum bitrate of [6144 kbit/s].

IEC 61937-3: defines how to transmit Dolby Digital (AC-3) and Dolby Digital Plus (E-AC-3) bitstreams via an IEC 60958/61937 (S/PDIF) interface.

There is also DTS-HRA (not DTS-MA) with a similar or slightly lower bitrate.

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If they build it, you will come (pun intended).

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Most OEM's seem to need re-education, plus, there is a lot of 1983 based information as the standard for SPDIF-TOSlink data.
If I remember correctly TOSLink was updated to 20-125 mbit/s (slowest module max 20) in 2007?

Not sure when SPDIF itself got updates, but any information in regard to bandwidth limits and 2 channel only are false.

 

[purplenoice]

@Ferather -- "As a side note, Optical with lossy compression still sounds better than 32 bit analogue."

After all, all formats are returned to analog (speakers)

 

[emanresu]

But optical is light? Red, and wide. Should be able to squeeze perrty much more than enough.
Toshiba.. POP - holdin it down!

 

[purplenoice]

Exactly. But it's not all about readings on paper, it's called theory, it's all a little different in practice if you're with me It always be...

...but analog is always at the end not matter which format we use.

 

[emanresu]

Like 16bit audio. Cute try with 24bit and 32bit. In theory, they should sound better. If they existed. Don't let digits inserted twice fool you.

or are you a MACer?

 

[purplenoice]

All compressed formats can never sound as good as uncompressed, why? Well, because they are depleted by the same compression and have a deficiency in various frequencies, take for example the desperate mpr3, there is no bass or dynamics, it just sounds loud and of poor quality, and all those formats need some of the enhancers to make them sound almost uncompressed. I personally do not deal with what is written on paper, but rely on hearing. Of course, the future is 5.1 surround sound. 7.1 and so on. I even think that Dolby has a slight advantage in that direction because, due to compression, there is more space for each speaker than DTS. And if I appreciate DTS more.

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But that's just my opinion and many years of experience in music, maybe I'm wrong, someone will say that I'm wrong and someone will agree with what I wrote

@Ferather
Take a look, you might find useful information

 

[Ferather]

Conductive copper will ALWAYS be more lossy that lossless optical. Here is an illustration of a smart speaker system pushing lossless right up to the speaker and a PowerDAC in front of the driver.

My Idea above counts as active speakers, opposed to passive speakers, and could potentially be 0 ohm (already matched).

The Complete Guide To Speaker Impedance (2Ω, 4Ω, 8Ω & More)
How to Measure Speaker Impedance (with Pictures)

Ohm Speakers | Custom Audiophile Speakers (scroll down)



https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/attachments/soundbar-png.240662/
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/attachments/cables-png.240661/

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PowerDAC-S - ECdesigns | Wadia Digital – Power DAC

 

[purplenoice]

More or less everything is familiar to me. You just don't mention anywhere that the increase in watts is lost when you switch from the physical connection to optics in the 5.1 format, while the stereo in optics remains intact, but 5.1 is reduced due to the signal strength.

edit:

It says that on every receiver, even the one you have

 

[Ferather]

Edit: Not to sound rude:

'Increase in watts' I think you mean increased bitrate and channels, 'Reduced due to signal strength' you mean lossy due to compression. -- Yes you are right but I did mention it.

"As a side note, Optical with lossy compression still sounds better than 32 bit analogue.

> Can depend on equipment, and DAC's."

If you and I had a receiver that could do 5.1 LCPM on SPDIF, then already I can do lossless 5.1 on SPDIF (my converter).

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The idea is to reduce the use of analogue as much as possible, since it causes loss, it should be minimised.

Excluding THD THD-N, amplify lossy analogue signal, or amplify lossless digital signal?

In my case the Logitech Z906 is the main point of loss (its DAC), if I used analogue, the loss starts at the computer.

-- Ignoring digital compression

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Lossless digital (optical) right up to each satellite smart speaker, with a PowerDAC say 2cm away from the driver, and 0 ohm speakers should be unbeatable circuiting.

How many of you cut your speaker cables as short as possible, and why?

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Me pinging Google Australia from the UK, using fiber optic broadband - TOSLink modules are rated in NRZ (see here).



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If you want to see lossless digital (and lossless compressed), above 2 channel, you need to badger OEM's into updating their SPDIF and digital converters.

SPDIF - Sony/Philips Digital Interface

Decided to post some info I found. ---- S/PDIF (tech-faq.com) - "Although the SPDIF protocol doesn’t specific a max resolution or data rate, the equipment which uses the SPDIF connectors has to determine the data rate..." S/PDIF - Wikipedia - "...has no defined data rate. Instead, the data is...

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Can't say I can find many that do DD+ and DTS HRA even though 2x 192k bitrate supports it.
15 x 192k = 69120 kbit/s, and 2880 total sample aggregates, too much for HDA.

 

[purplenoice]

I'm just curious if LPCM (linear pulse code modulation) also loses power when using 5.1, I'm just asking because I'm interested,
First of all, I don't want to sound rude either
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And one more thing to add if I may, your output point on the receiver is finally 5.1 lpcm or...??

 

[Bryan Ü]

How do i increase background sound in shooter mode? {dtsx ultra}

 

[purplenoice]

How do i increase background sound in shooter mode? {dtsx ultra}

To be honest with you, I personally am not at all satisfied with DTSX Ultra in video games, and I play quite often

 

[Ferather]

@purplenoice, No the Z906 system only supports 2 channel and Dolby Digital, DTS Surround, up to 4.6 mbps, that is the digital converter they put in.
Just so you know from research it's the digital converter on SPDIF that caps its maximum bitrate, and capability (in and out).

OUT | HDA (High Definition Audio) [~37 mbps] >> SPDIF [No limit] >> Digital converter [limited] >> TOSLink [up to 125mbps].
IN | TOSLink [up to 125mbps] >> Digital converter [limited] >> SPDIF [No limit] >> HDA [~37 mbps].

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I haven't used stereo (other than my mobile) since 2001, so I can't really comment too much on stereo enhancers, I prefer true multichannel, not virtual or spatial.
I am using the DTS:X system to increase audio quality + basic multichannel effects, for stereo use Sound Unbound, and Ultra to change modes.

Sound Unbound should be your main point for spatial, Ultra in this case simply changes the mode (you don't get with SU).

> DTS is actually a multichannel expert company, possibly why stereo isn't so good?

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DTS:X Ultra in this case, in any driver to be honest, is more of a DSP than anything else, the spatial engine is in Sound Unbound (I can not change, edit).
If you are-where already using Sound Unbound, then Ultra is a bonus, since SU has no modes or EQ, other than 2 options.

@Bryan Ü, there is not any real spatial controls in the Ultra preset, its all in SU.

 

[purplenoice]

TRUE..

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You mentioned earlier that there is no proper output on your receiver, even though you are sure that the signal is supported in spdif format, but you get white noises in two channels on your receiver. The same thing happens to me and to some others I have talked to. It may sound stupid but it works for me as it does for others. For some strange reason, the receiver does not recognize the format in spdif and for that reason you get white sounds on two channels (because the receiver did not recognize the format and does not decode it), the solution is simple, I don't know if you have tried so far to just reset the receiver and the sound is returned in the correct format, playback should not be interrupted beforehand. SPDIF sometimes glitches, it's not perfect either.

I use DTSi for spdif, the receiver has Pro Logic II, so I don't have a problem with 5.1 sound, sometimes what I wrote above about white sound happens, but not so often. I use immersive sound on atmos and dtsu when I use headphones and that's only when I play games.

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I also have an analog connection.. You took me wrong, I like surround sound and also analog sound because I'm a big fan of sound and music.

 

[emanresu]

My fegeleins, I have just unlocked Windows MAX audio (quality/rate/whathaveIdone?).
Woopwoop, just gotta find a program that can handle it. I'm literally wet.

 

[purplenoice]

Bump Bump

@Ferather

And let me just mention that I sincerely appreciate your work. I did see the drivers, but honestly I didn't use them, but I did read and look at them and I like how they are neatly done and you try not to complicate things too much, which is also my goal when I make a driver, not to cram too many enhancers!! Keep it up!!!

 

[Ferather]

Sounds like you should do the Dolby project then, I am happy to teach a few things.

SPDIF in short is much like HDMI, but lets say the receiver only supports 2 channels, Dolby Digital and DTS Surround, HDMI is no benefit *.
An HDMI receiver that supports the same as many do on SPDIF, is no different to SPDIF as it is now.

If the receiver did more than 2 channels and extra formats, then its different, but only due to lack of SPDIF support.
SPDIF can do 15 channels and all formats, but its not produced that way, OEM's live in a dungeon.


* In fact its worse, due to video production requirements, and lag.