DUDE IT'S A DELL

[qubit]

Good choice with the Norton. What's gaming like?

If you can get us a photo, that would be nice.
Enjoy.

 

[64K]

Im so freaking happy right now. I just got the new computer today and it is so awesome. I just got it and my new printer up and running and so far no issues. I am using my NORTON 360 on it in place of the Mcaffee.

Always fun getting new hardware. For me it's like Christmas morning when I was a kid.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Im so freaking happy right now. I just got the new computer today and it is so awesome. I just got it and my new printer up and running and so far no issues. I am using my NORTON 360 on it in place of the Mcaffee.

That's great. I am glad you like it.

As for Norton, it is an excellent security program (but then so is McAfee). That said, I have no desire to debate security programs. I don't care what you use, as long as you use a decent one and you keep it and the OS current and you avoid being "click-happy" on unsolicited links, popups, downloads and attachments.

I will just say there are several antimalware solutions that are more than adequate at keeping our systems secure, that no only have smaller footprints on system resources, they are totally free, with no recurring renewal fees. That includes the security solution built into Windows 10 which I use on all my systems with no issue.

Regardless our antimalware solution of choice, we all should have a secondary scanner on hand for at least periodic "on-demand" scanning just to make sure we (the users and ALWAYS weakest link in security) or our primary scanner did not let something slip by. I generally recommend Malwarebytes for that - but again, I don't really care as long as you pick a decent one and keep it current. However, one reason I prefer Malwarebytes is the Premium version (which includes a real-time component) plays real well with other real-time solutions without causing conflicts, or hogging resources.

Last but certainly not least important, make a backup of your computer now, and maintain multiple copies of backups with at least one "off-site". I also recommend you practice restoring from one of your backups too - so you know it works and are familiar with the process.

 

[r9]

I'm reading the thread and all the comments and still can't figure out what we are on about here ... it's a laptop built into a Desktop monitor what it is also from what I gather its done deal
So if you want to beef up the GPU the only option if you willing to fiddle with it would be mini pcie to pci-e adapters that allow to connect external GPU to a laptop. Of course I would first wait for this gpu shortage to be done.

 

[Bill_Bright]

I'm reading the thread and all the comments and still can't figure out what we are on about here ... i

Umm, welcome to TPU?

 

[xrobwx71]

Its a good card. Don't pay attention to any one who says otherwise. Is it the best card available? Of course not. It didn't cost $1000+ either.

It is critical to understand game makers know that most gamers don't have bottomless pockets. So they code their games to still provide good "game play" on lessor systems. You may sacrifice some background detail, or have fewer animated objects or a smaller field of play. That does not mean you cannot be totally engrossed in the game and thoroughly entertained.

I can see some here missed the "elitism" post a few days ago. Sigh. (not referring to you)

 

[Vayra86]

An AIO is the best PC for non gamers and people with desks. Laptops on desks take up much space, especially if you connect a monitor, and with a docking station there will be cable clutter, not to mention the battery degradation. An AIO with everything wireless is the best choice IMO.

A box under a table is not visible or in the way (you can mount it however you like and it will have almost the same cable 'clutter' above the desk as an AIO: keyboard, mouse, if they're not wireless. And if you're dabbling in light systems, there are very small form factors now, think NUC. You can practically leave it behind any monitor of choice and you have the same principle, but you're in control of it now.

You still have a power cable running from the desk to a socket. The only difference is a display cable on top and with a mounted NUC even that one is not visible.

Sorry but I'm not really seeing the advantage here, only disadvantages for longevity and upgradeability. Its also single point of failure stuff: ANY component gives up, and your whole system is KIA. With a separate monitor, you get the upgrade path but can also replace it separately.

And last, there is price/perf.

Nah... AIO is a fashion item more than anything else, if you ask me.

If you wanna know I have tried to upgrade myself once. I once replaced a video card in a old HP Pavilion tower I had several years ago and the whole computer quit working. Thats another reason why I tend to avoid messing with the inside of a pc. also the reason for me having a laptop now was that I was going to school for computer classes and now this DELL Im getting is going to be my main home pc as my almost 6 year old desktop is not doing what I want anymore.

This is an argument for prebuilt. But not specifically for an AIO. Something to consider - for your next one

 

[Frick]

A box under a table is not visible or in the way (you can mount it however you like and it will have almost the same cable 'clutter' above the desk as an AIO: keyboard, mouse, if they're not wireless. And if you're dabbling in light systems, there are very small form factors now, think NUC. You can practically leave it behind any monitor of choice and you have the same principle, but you're in control of it now.

You still have a power cable running from the desk to a socket. The only difference is a display cable on top and with a mounted NUC even that one is not visible.

Sorry but I'm not really seeing the advantage here, only disadvantages for longevity and upgradeability. Its also single point of failure stuff: ANY component gives up, and your whole system is KIA. With a separate monitor, you get the upgrade path but can also replace it separately.

And last, there is price/perf.

Nah... AIO is a fashion item more than anything else, if you ask me.

Note the "with everything wireless" qualifier. Yeah if you have a wired mouse and keyboard and wired network and wired printers sure there will be clutter, but today tou can run everything wireless. One power cable, and that is it. And cable clutter is annoying even when you don't see it (IE tower under the desk) as it makes cleaning harder.

And I said for non gamers with a desk. Obviously that is not the majority of the TPU user base.

 

[Bill_Bright]

I agree with Vayra86 on this one. No way is the AiO "the best for non-gamers with desks". That "blanket statement" characterization of non-gamers truly illustrates a slanted/biased and tunnel vision look at gamers and non-gamers. And I'm not sure what "with desks" has to do with the price of rice in China anyway. If the point there is to parse out those with mobility requirements, then those folks need a mobile computer. Not a PC or AiO - regardless if they game or not.

For sure, if the choice is between a notebook or AiO, and mobility is not a requirement, then the AiO is, by far, the best choice for most gamers. Why? larger screen, full size keyboard and mouse, no messing with batteries.

But for gamers and non-gamers alike, again assuming mobility is not a requirement, if the choice is AiO or PC, then for sure a nice mid-tower "PC" is, by far the best choice for most of those users.

So who is the AiO best for? I don't really know. Perhaps the person with a tiny TV tray sized desk (and no floor or shelf space) who wants a larger screen and full size keyboard and mouse? Or perhaps someone who just likes the aesthetics of an AiO? They do make for a tidy appearance.

I can see an AiO on a receptionist's desk in a fancy office. Or on an executive secretary's desk, or even a company executive or upper manager - places where aesthetics matter because looks (fair or not) are used to measure and judge success.

AiOs do make nice "office" task machines. That is, they are fully capable at managing calendars/appointments, creating Word, Excel, PowerPoint, .pdf and other documents. And for processing emails, etc. And they do so while presenting an aesthetically pleasing look too.

And no doubt, there are many home computer users who only use their computers for emails, social media, an occasional letter. People who don't want a notebook, but don't want a big PC either. But they do want something simple that looks nice in their home office. And for them, an AiO may be ideal.

In any case, it is a HUGE mistake and inaccuracy to assume, suggest or imply that only gamers are "power users" and cannot be served by an AiO and/or that "all" non-gamers (with or without desks) are best served by an AiO.

 

[Atomic77]

Anyhow I added some games to it and they all run pretty good with no issues.

 

[Bill_Bright]

And if happy with it, that's what matters. Don't forget to create a backup plan, and use it. It should involve multiple backup copies, preferably with at least one maintained "off-site" - just in case your house ends up in The Land of Oz.

 

[Frick]

I agree with Vayra86 on this one. No way is the AiO "the best for non-gamers with desks". That "blanket statement" characterization of non-gamers truly illustrates a slanted/biased and tunnel vision look at gamers and non-gamers. And I'm not sure what "with desks" has to do with the price of rice in China anyway. If the point there is to parse out those with mobility requirements, then those folks need a mobile computer. Not a PC or AiO - regardless if they game or not.

For sure, if the choice is between a notebook or AiO, and mobility is not a requirement, then the AiO is, by far, the best choice for most gamers. Why? larger screen, full size keyboard and mouse, no messing with batteries.

But for gamers and non-gamers alike, again assuming mobility is not a requirement, if the choice is AiO or PC, then for sure a nice mid-tower "PC" is, by far the best choice for most of those users.

So who is the AiO best for? I don't really know. Perhaps the person with a tiny TV tray sized desk (and no floor or shelf space) who wants a larger screen and full size keyboard and mouse? Or perhaps someone who just likes the aesthetics of an AiO? They do make for a tidy appearance.

I can see an AiO on a receptionist's desk in a fancy office. Or on an executive secretary's desk, or even a company executive or upper manager - places where aesthetics matter because looks (fair or not) are used to measure and judge success.

AiOs do make nice "office" task machines. That is, they are fully capable at managing calendars/appointments, creating Word, Excel, PowerPoint, .pdf and other documents. And for processing emails, etc. And they do so while presenting an aesthetically pleasing look too.

And no doubt, there are many home computer users who only use their computers for emails, social media, an occasional letter. People who don't want a notebook, but don't want a big PC either. But they do want something simple that looks nice in their home office. And for them, an AiO may be ideal.

In any case, it is a HUGE mistake and inaccuracy to assume, suggest or imply that only gamers are "power users" and cannot be served by an AiO and/or that "all" non-gamers (with or without desks) are best served by an AiO.

Ok, fine, "most non gamers with desks", "desk" here implying a workspace dedicated for a computer. Towers means cable clutter, with an AIO and everything wireless you don't get cable clutter.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Towers means cable clutter, with an AIO and everything wireless you don't get cable clutter.

Well, okay. If cable clutter is really that important that it becomes then deciding factor, then okay. But then you probably should stick with a notebook.

However, I note if you use a wireless mouse and keyboard with your PC, and use speakers integrated with your monitor, and wifi network connection, you have just three cables (two power and one graphics) to deal with on the PC. Not sure I would call two extra cables "clutter" or a major inconvenience. But I also note a decent computer desk will provide cable management options. And simple zip ties can make things tidy too.

That said, many, if not most users with a desk set their tower on the floor next to their desk or (like my desk - lower left) in a designated cubby hole made just for the tower. My point is, the computer itself takes zero desktop space - the exact same as an AiO.

 

[Atomic77]

@Bill_Bright That is nice and all but not everyone has the space or a set up as nice as that.

This is my setup its in my bedroom.

 

[freeagent]

Nice man!

 

[Bill_Bright]

@Bill_Bright That is nice and all but not everyone has the space or a set up as nice as that.

I'm not, and never have suggested otherwise. And I certainly understand that not everyone has an "empty nest" or can turn a spare bedroom into an office.

But a couple observations:

1. My point was in response to the comment that claimed, "An AIO is the best PC for non gamers and people with desks." The "best" PC for non gamers? The "best"? Really? Ummm, no way!
   
   Like all absolute, blanket statements, that is simply false (and yes, I appreciate the irony in that claim too). Maybe an AiO is best for a few people (though not sure who), but to suggest "all" or even most is just wrong. For example, I personally know several "non-gamers" who are movie freaks and have multiple big drives in their PCs. Can't do that with an AiO. I don't game but as you can see, I have two monitors. Another friend is a writer. She does not need a powerful PC, but does need a monitor that rotates 90° into portrait mode. Can't do that with an AiO.
   
   I think it sad, and I see it all the time on this site, when computer users are divided into two groups, gamers and non-gamers, and then the gamers then assume the non-gamers are all alike. And that we all have all the same computing needs. Or because something works best for them, it must be best for everyone else. That is simple and total nonsense.
   
   
2. When I look at your set up (and I agree, it looks nice ), you could easily slide your desk to the right, just a mere inch or two and put a nice mid-tower next to the wall. Or put the tower on the right side desk, with an good UPS on the left (or vice versa). I just don't see space (or the lack of) being the driving issue there.
   
   But speaking of space...
   
   
3. Here is the biggie IMO. The stand on your monitor is actually taking up more precious desktop real estate than every one of the 24" monitors on this Amazon page! And all allow for tilt and swivel, and a couple even allow for height adjustment too. You might be able to tilt, but not swivel or adjust for height. And of course, if you want to upgrade to a 27" monitor, you can do that and still not use up so much desktop real estate.
   
   
4. As for cable clutter, not sure why you have 3 cables there. Perhaps one doubled-back or an Ethernet cable. Either way, I don't see how, using your setup to illustrate, less cable clutter can be used to justify an AiO over a PC. Yes, there would still be more cables with a PC (the power and video cable to the monitor, for example) but cables could be [more or less] hidden behind the desk.

Here the crux of the argument. An AiO computer is just a notebook motherboard mounted inside a monitor case. Therefore, they suffer from the same pitfalls as notebooks and as notebook motherboards mounted in notebook cases. That is, the confined space of the thin case means they lack cooling capacities. They are very proprietary. They have very limited upgrade possibilities, and essentially zero expansion capabilities.

But they do indeed look nice, and they are very easy to setup. And of course, the larger screen is a huge plus of notebooks. But, notebooks are meant to be portable too.

No doubt AiOs are ideal from some people. But with the exception of aesthetics and ease of setup, they are not better than PCs, whether you are a gamer or not. Desk size does not matter. And if it does, a notebook would most likely be the better choice.

 

[Mussels]

Some of us dont like it, but he does

Sounds like every other discussion about PC hardware lol