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For a gamer go 8400. I'm waiting on the 45nm quads.
 

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Here. Now all you people can go bash Paulieg because he is claiming he got his e8400 stable at 4.3.
Paulieg lol thats trt but you didnt say 4.3GHz :p
 
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No I've said 4.4 :eek: WOW! Now that's a really big difference! :banghead: I bet it can't be ever done! Too bad it has. Just let it go Dom...
well a Q9450 would be better wouldnt you say ? cuz for 24/7 they dont like high volts cuz even Intel has them at 1.3625V and the 65nm at 1.5 so there good for lil over 4GHz at stock but you also have to get a good mobo for high fsb anyways a Q's faster clock for clock so a Q at 4GHz 24/7 would be nice :)
 
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well a Q9450 would be better wouldnt you say ? cuz for 24/7 they dont like high volts cuz even Intel has them at 1.3625V and the 65nm at 1.5 so there good for lil over 4GHz at stock but you also have to get a good mobo for high fsb anyways a Q's faster clock for clock so a Q at 4GHz 24/7 would be nice :)

Oh actually a Q9650 would be even better as it actually exists in real life not on paper. So yeah, dude as I've said just let it go. This topic as far as I know is e8400 vs q6600 not any other processors you come up with or Xeons or Athlons for that matter...
 
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or dual @ 4ghz.
I've seen the e8400 run @ 5.7 ghz man. I won't think the quad can do that. Plus you get more L2 cache. Imo the dualcore at 4.4, which is reasonable oc can obliterate the quad at 3.6 which is like the max you will get under normal circumstances.

Lol....... more than 8mb on an E8400?, now I thought they only had 6mb L2 cache :D So do you think the OP will/could run his rig with an E8400 at 5.7Gig, probably on LN2 with a heavily phase cooled and voltmodded motherboard?

In pure calculation terms, if you actually un an app that can use all 4 cores, a Q6600 at 4gig would effectively rev at 4 x 4 = 16Gigs and you wouldnt need LN2 for that but if you happened to have a LN2 kit lying around, that will probably have cost more than your whole rig then your E8400 would crunch at 2 x 5.7gig = 11.4gig by my reckoning.

yes I know I am being pedantic :p but my point is that IMO it's pointless refering to what a couple of people in the world can acheive on kit that costs as much as a 2nd hand car to a "normal" user.....no offence intended Bull.
 
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Lol....... more than 8mb on an E8400?, now I thought they only had 6mb L2 cache :D So do you think the OP will/could run his rig with an E8400 at 5.7Gig, probably on LN2 with a heavily phase cooled and voltmodded motherboard?

In pure calculation terms, if you actually un an app that can use all 4 cores, a Q6600 at 4gig would effectively rev at 4 x 4 = 16Gigs and you wouldnt need LN2 for that but if you happened to have a LN2 kit lying around, that will probably have cost more than your whole rig then your E8400 would crunch at 2 x 5.7gig = 11.4gig by my reckoning.

yes I know I am being pedantic :p but my point is that IMO it's pointless refering to what a couple of people in the world can acheive on kit that costs as much as a 2nd hand car to a "normal" user.....no offence intended Bull.

Well sorry, don't know why but momentarily I thought the q6600 had 4 MB. But anyways, do you people actually read what I'm saying???????????????????????????????????????????? DID I EVER implied he could reach that speed? I think if you read my first post again like I did about 10 times now you will find that it's pretty clear when I say: or a dualcore @ 4Ghz I mean that he can run that darn processor at that speed. Now what is not clear about that?????????????????? What more do I have to explain?????????? :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
 

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Well sorry, don't know why but momentarily I thought the q6600 had 4 MB. But anyways, do you people actually read what I'm saying???????????????????????????????????????????? DID I EVER implied he could reach that speed? I think if you read my first post again like I did about 10 times now you will find that it's pretty clear when I say: or a dualcore @ 4Ghz I mean that he can run that darn processor at that speed. Now what is not clear about that?????????????????? What more do I have to explain?????????? :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

You've just been tattied... sure the processor is capable of it, but in Das system??? For all we know, can't even get the LN2 set-up for the thing...
I know your stating that you've SEEN it happen, but by not saying something like "I don't think you can get 5.7 on your rig but you can get 4.x easily" You've started a "lets gang up on Bull" flamewar...
I'd go with the quad. If your doing heavy rendering, I feel its better to have a quad then a duel... Plus it's future proof

This is a question I'm even asking myself, but after more and more thought, and seeing what I'm going to be doing in the future, IMO a quad is going to be there a lot longer then a duel...
IMO
 

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Here for all you doubters and haters out there. I think these tests speak better than I do. I know what you will be saying, but you can overclock the q6600 to 3Ghz, well yeah but then you can get the 8400 at 3.6 and so on until the quad tops out and the e8400 will keep on going. I HOPE THIS WILL SHUT YOU UP FOR GOOD!




























"I've never had a Dual-Core overclock so high and still remain stable, so I was skeptical. I put the CPU through all it's paces... and nothing could stop it. As you can see in the screenshot below, it ran a collection of benchmarks without issue. The important thing to note here is that this is a true overclock that increases performance. All results scale well, so heat didn't become an issue at all, despite the chip running at an average of 68°C on each core."



"If you take a look at the Sandra results, you will notice something interesting. Our E8400 at 4.2GHz effectively passed by the Q6600 in terms of raw performance. Despite having half the cores of the Q6600, the huge overclock made up for the loss... and then some.

Another thing that strikes me is the Super Pi result. While not that relevant today, when Conroe was first launched, it was deemed extraordinary when enthusiast overclockers broke through the 10s mark with the new processors. Now, even us casual overclockers have the possibility to break through that milestone... on air. That is beyond impressive.

One downside here is that I believe this CPU still had more room to push. I became limited by the motherboards FSB, which may or may not have had anything to do with the CPU. Running 470FSB was fine, but moving up to even 475FSB would spawn errors in SP2004 within five minutes. While 4.2GHz is undeniably impressive, I can't help but feel it could be pushed a bit higher."


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"Case in point: In summer 2006, the E6600 sold for $316 in quantities of 1,000, which would end up being $350 once sold by the e-tailer. Fast forward to now, and we are seeing a far superior product in terms of overall efficiency and speed, and it costs 40% less. Of course, such is the natural progression of things, but it's certainly a better time than ever to PaPP (ponder a processor purchase!)."




Now you can all go techgage.com, here is the link: http://techgage.com/article/intel_core_2_duo_e8400_30ghz_-_wolfdale_arrives/1 and bash the guy who wrote that article and tell him, while swearing on your quadcores, that the e8400 is a far worse chip than the q6600. As for me I hope this will end this debate that has become pointless, because of trolls that talk out their arses and don't back up any argument and generally just flame people that are trying to help someone...

EDIT: Ok fixed it.
 
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Well sorry, don't know why but momentarily I thought the q6600 had 4 MB. But anyways, do you people actually read what I'm saying???????????????????????????????????????????? DID I EVER implied he could reach that speed? I think if you read my first post again like I did about 10 times now you will find that it's pretty clear when I say: or a dualcore @ 4Ghz I mean that he can run that darn processor at that speed. Now what is not clear about that?????????????????? What more do I have to explain?????????? :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

You dont have to explain anything, my point was simple.....your facts IMO are good, it was just pointless referring to the 5.7Gig, it actually dilutes your point I think as it detracts from the sensible facts regarding high stable overclocks on air.
 

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The strange thing I find is the comments at the bottom of the performance tables you posted Bull......it seems to me they are saying that the raw speed of the E8400 makes up for the Q6600's 4 cores??? how can it say that when that app is not multithredded? I thought it was dual core optimised only.....although I may be wrong. The point there is, from what I can see, most apps that are using more than 2 cores are won by the Q6600 (for obvious reasons)........was that not the point of this thread?

Has anyone said the E8400 is a WORSE chip?, I actually think the opposite and it certainly is a FASTER chip BUT, if a person runs an app that can use more than 2 cores, IMO generally the Quad is better........ it's "horses for courses" I have a quad because I multitask a lot, I only own 2 proggies that actually natively are multithredded, apart for a couple of games also. I might copy a DVD, whilst watching a DVD, whilst decoding some old ANalogue to digital Video and have CSS in the background ready to play, normally I would run my quad at 3.6gig 24/7, show me any dual core that could do those 4 multitasks I mentioned simultaneosly and I'll show you my wallet! :)
 
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You dont have to explain anything, my point was simple.....your facts IMO are good, it was just pointless referring to the 5.7Gig, it actually dilutes your point I think as it detracts from the sensible facts regarding high stable overclocks on air.

You still don't believe me now do you? Ok wait for the x48 boards to come out and then check out the e8400 world record. I would bet you anything that it will be higher than 5.7.
 

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The strange thing I find is the comments at the bottom of the performance tables you posted Bull......it seems to me they are saying that the raw speed of the E8400 makes up for the Q6600's 4 cores??? how can it say that when that app is not multithredded? I thought it was dual core optimised only.....although I may be wrong. The point there is, from what I can see, most apps that are using more than 2 cores are won by the Q6600 (for obvious reasons)........was that not the point of this thread?

Are you blind? Now really, out of 12 results I've just posted the e8400 wins in more than 10. NOW WHAT WOULD MAKE YOU SHUT UP???????????????????????????????????????
 

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You still don't believe me now do you? Ok wait for the x48 boards to come out and then check out the e8400 world record. I would bet you anything that it will be higher than 5.7.

Can you not read.?...yes I do beleive you!
 

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Now really if we would be talking about a video card here and let's say that in 20 games the first one comes on top in 16 of them. WOULD YOU REALLY BUY THE SECOND CARD JUST BECAUSE IT HAS MORE CORES? So that you could watch a movie while playing COD4 of course...
 

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Are you blind? Now really, out of 12 results I've just posted the e8400 wins in more than 10. NOW WHAT WOULD MAKE YOU SHUT UP???????????????????????????????????????

I think you are missing the point here.......many of those benches ARE NOT multithredded so of course the E8400 at 3gig is going to beat it, I dont dispute that at all, my point is.....in most multithredded benches the Q6600 would win, shit you read, I have agreed with you twice now and you are still saying I dont beleive you....I do, listen, I'll say it on quotes for you.......

"In applications that use one or two threads an E8400 at 3gig is always going to be faster than a Q6600 at 2.4gig......in most applications that are MULTITHREDDED and are capable of using 4 or more threads the Q6600 will be quicker"

Make sense?
 

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Can you not read.?...yes I do beleive you!

Well then what's this about then? The title of the thread says e8400 vs q6600. I just proved that the e8400 is better in more than 90% of applications out there. What have you done except bugging me of course?
 
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Go q6600. The extra cores really help when Im rendering and want to watch a movie, or ripping some avis and browsing the web, not to say the e8400 couldnt do it too, but it wont do it as fast. Does anyone have Everest 4.2 they can run a CPU queen on an e8400?? I just did a run and got 26,800. And thats a everyday stable clock on my q. And thats pretty damn high. Id like to see if a e8400 could get anywhere near than, especially at 24/7 stable.

What I call 24/7 stable is running SETI @ 100% all day and all night, even when Im using my computer.
 

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I think you are missing the point here.......many of those benches ARE NOT multithredded so of course the E8400 at 3gig is going to beat it, I dont dispute that at all, my point is.....in most multithredded benches the Q6600 would win, shit you read, I have agreed with you twice now and you are still saying I dont beleive you....I do, listen, I'll say it on quotes for you.......

"In applications that use one or two threads an E8400 at 3gig is always going to be faster than a Q6600 at 2.4gig......in most applications that are MULTITHREDDED and are capable of using 4 or more threads the Q6600 will be quicker"

Make sense?

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I want proof, like I presented. Is that too much to ask?
 

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Now really if we would be talking about a video card here and let's say that in 20 games the first one comes on top in 16 of them. WOULD YOU REALLY BUY THE SECOND CARD JUST BECAUSE IT HAS MORE CORES? So that you could watch a movie while playing COD4 of course...

Lol, now you are trying to decide what a PC users wants to do with their PC, the person who posted origionally clearly stated what he would use the CPU for so let him decide, most people TBH dont really need more than 2 cores, a few do, let them decide who they are......I am not about to.
 
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