European Commission Welcomes New Microsoft Proposals on MSIE and Interoperability

[Meecrob]

The average consumer (which accounts for the majority), is not going to go hunting for PC parts. They are just gonna buy what the OEMs shove in their face. Building systems is generally reserved for enthusiasts.

You just don't seem to get it, the only way AMD wouldn't charge ridiculous amounts of money is if the EU went after them.

if prices skyrocketed on prebuilt OEM systems people would just buy more custom built jobs at local shops.

and OEM wouldn't endup paying more for their AMD chips in EU because it would still be cheaper to just order more for the US plants( if they even have plants/assembly shops over there) and ship the chips/parts to the EU, again your logic fails to function as long as there are 2 companies.

If the price on AMD or INTEL parts are drastically cheaper in one country then in others, people will just order their stuff online and wait for shipping, OEM's on the other hand ALREADY HAVE THEIR CONTRACTS FOR PARTS, if they have to they can just ship the supplies or whole systems over, Normal people wouldnt endup knowing the difference, geeks would because if they wanted intel they would have to import the parts themselves or buy from a specialty shop that imports them(making the cost higher)

good example is the FiiO headphone amps, You can get the e3 for under 7bucks on DX and the e5 is like 17bucks on DX, if you buy them in the states from most retailers you pay 30-80bucks for the same thing!!!( i found 3 places that sold the e5 ALONE for 80bucks!!!) its crazy, BUT with a little searching you can find DX and order them cheap as hell, sure you may have to wait a few weeks if they arent in stock, but hey, its still cheaper($7/$17 is the shipped price) enough cheaper that its worth the wait, You cant tell me geeks wouldnt do the same if Intel or AMD chips where to price inflate the same way as teh FiiO amps do when they cross the big puddle.

 

[Wile E]

if prices skyrocketed on prebuilt OEM systems people would just buy more custom built jobs at local shops.

and OEM wouldn't endup paying more for their AMD chips in EU because it would still be cheaper to just order more for the US plants( if they even have plants/assembly shops over there) and ship the chips/parts to the EU, again your logic fails to function as long as there are 2 companies.

If the price on AMD or INTEL parts are drastically cheaper in one country then in others, people will just order their stuff online and wait for shipping, OEM's on the other hand ALREADY HAVE THEIR CONTRACTS FOR PARTS, if they have to they can just ship the supplies or whole systems over, Normal people wouldnt endup knowing the difference, geeks would because if they wanted intel they would have to import the parts themselves or buy from a specialty shop that imports them(making the cost higher)

good example is the FiiO headphone amps, You can get the e3 for under 7bucks on DX and the e5 is like 17bucks on DX, if you buy them in the states from most retailers you pay 30-80bucks for the same thing!!!( i found 3 places that sold the e5 ALONE for 80bucks!!!) its crazy, BUT with a little searching you can find DX and order them cheap as hell, sure you may have to wait a few weeks if they arent in stock, but hey, its still cheaper($7/$17 is the shipped price) enough cheaper that its worth the wait, You cant tell me geeks wouldnt do the same if Intel or AMD chips where to price inflate the same way as teh FiiO amps do when they cross the big puddle.

Except neither Intel nor AMD would allow their chips to be shipped from north america thru their channels, and they'd be well within their rights to sue the likes of the major oems that shipped over there. The only ones that may be able to get away with it is small volume dealers, and then there wouldn't be enough chips available to make a significant dent in the market. Not to mention, all the tariffs that would be imposed on the imports (which is a huge reason companies have a division in each part of the world, to avoid tariffs), and you'll still see major increases in AMD prices.

So either way, if Intel pulls out of the market, AMD prices will skyrocket.

Your headphone amp example has nothing to do with this (and is wrong anyway). The official US Fiio distributor is Head-Direct, and they price the E5 at around $20-25. The higher priced ones are just price-gougers. Not to mention, the volume of Fiio products is insignificant compared to Intel or AMD volumes, and that makes a huge difference.

You're still wrong here.

 

[Meecrob]

Except neither Intel nor AMD would allow their chips to be shipped from north america thru their channels, and they'd be well within their rights to sue the likes of the major oems that shipped over there. The only ones that may be able to get away with it is small volume dealers, and then there wouldn't be enough chips available to make a significant dent in the market. Not to mention, all the tariffs that would be imposed on the imports (which is a huge reason companies have a division in each part of the world, to avoid tariffs), and you'll still see major increases in AMD prices.

So either way, if Intel pulls out of the market, AMD prices will skyrocket.

Your headphone amp example has nothing to do with this (and is wrong anyway). The official US Fiio distributor is Head-Direct, and they price the E5 at around $20-25. The higher priced ones are just price-gougers. Not to mention, the volume of Fiio products is insignificant compared to Intel or AMD volumes, and that makes a huge difference.

You're still wrong here.

Im always wrong and your always right, yeah we know this, just like any time you have an opinion and somebody dosnt agree.

none of this matters tho, because as you will admit, even if they gotta pay the fine, they wont leave the market because it would mean even more losses from a market where they do make a hell of alot of money.

 

[Wile E]

Im always wrong and your always right, yeah we know this, just like any time you have an opinion and somebody dosnt agree.

non of this matters tho, because as you will admit, even if they gotta pay the fine, they wont leave the market because it would mean even more losses from a market where they do make a hell of alot of money.

Pretty much. Guess is was a pointless debate anyway.

 

[Meecrob]

Pretty much. Guess is was a pointless debate anyway.

exectly, same reasion that ms wouldnt ever pull out of a major market, even china where they try to almost give vista and xp away yet still have more pirated users then world wide legit users, there is still money to be made one way or the other, and its better to make that money then let somebody else make it.

in the end no large company will leave any market that makes it money, even if they endup having to pay crazy high fines for stuff they did thats against the law( be it a good law or a bad law, that dosnt matter here)