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OFFICIAL Fallout 4 (Discussion)

I don't even!

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I bought it and paid full price, its worth it so far, and I expect to have hundreds of hours of gameplay in this game as I learn all the in and outs of it.


First up though, graphics mods? Where and how, I am already running Ultra and it runs very well, so I am guessing I can push more mods to have more better eye candies.
 
I bought it and paid full price, its worth it so far, and I expect to have hundreds of hours of gameplay in this game as I learn all the in and outs of it.


First up though, graphics mods? Where and how, I am already running Ultra and it runs very well, so I am guessing I can push more mods to have more better eye candies.

If you are asking where, the top place to get the best mods for Bethesda games is at The Nexus.
 
Well i have 115 hours of gameplay now and i have nothing interesting left to do, pretty dissapointed...
 
Well i have 115 hours of gameplay now and i have nothing interesting left to do, pretty dissapointed...

There is NO way to have that low of hours has have finished ALL side quests and discovered everything on the map.
 
There is NO way to have that low of hours has have finished ALL side quests and discovered everything on the map.

And fully explore / loot / fully build up your settlements (if you choose to do this) - I am about 95 hours in, really only doing side quests atm just leveling up having fun, turned up the difficulty as I level.
 
I'm amazed at how difficult this game is fighting wise. You pretty much have to steer clear of lots to stay alive. Also I suck and have played too many run and guns. :)
 
I'm amazed at how difficult this game is fighting wise. You pretty much have to steer clear of lots to stay alive. Also I suck and have played too many run and guns. :)

ammo has been the biggest problem for me.

Well i have 115 hours of gameplay now and i have nothing interesting left to do, pretty dissapointed...

you won't have to wait long for DLC.
 
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There is NO way to have that low of hours has have finished ALL side quests and discovered everything on the map.
I have infact discovered the whole map, i still have most of the companion quests left to do but getting them to like me enough to trigger the quest is just going to the same places and killing stuff that respawned, might have missed some other quests aswel but it cant be many.
 
I'm amazed at how difficult this game is fighting wise. You pretty much have to steer clear of lots to stay alive. Also I suck and have played too many run and guns. :)
Don't worry, as usual it'll be easier at later level. Fully modded your weapons and pick damage boosting perk (like Rifleman or Commando) make day and night difference.

ammo has been the biggest problem for me.
Yeah I think Scrounger perk is a must. Level 1 seems enough if you use multiple ammo. Level 2 if you use single type of ammo most of the time.

I have infact discovered the whole map, i still have most of the companion quests left to do but getting them to like me enough to trigger the quest is just going to the same places and killing stuff that respawned, might have missed some other quests aswel but it cant be many.
Whoa you play very fast. I'm 104 hours in and barely half the map discovered.
 
Sorry people, but my god this game is boring like nothing else. Also the cartoonish graphics is a really big low down....

Well i have 115 hours of gameplay now and i have nothing interesting left to do, pretty dissapointed...

Whoa you play very fast. I'm 104 hours in and barely half the map discovered.

Holly macaronni!! You people need to get a social life. Wasting so many hours on a game is ridiculous.
Sad youth generation....
 
Holly macaronni!! You people need to get a social life. Wasting so many hours on a game is ridiculous.
Sad youth generation....

Not a waste, if one is enjoying the experience...but each to their own I guess ;)
 
Sorry people, but my god this game is boring like nothing else. Also the cartoonish graphics is a really big low down....





Holly macaronni!! You people need to get a social life. Wasting so many hours on a game is ridiculous.
Sad youth generation....
I had about 120 hrs in Fallout New Vegas.

Well..... the Vanilla version at least. After discovering Nexus I clocked up another 200 or so, was like opening a door to a new world. ;)


P.S.- I'm 39 :p
 
Sorry people, but my god this game is boring like nothing else. Also the cartoonish graphics is a really big low down....[
Agree, the textures are kinda low quality. But there are plenty of native technologies involved compared to their previous games (like skin/hair shading or godrays).
So I have high hope that with right modification it'll be very very gorgeous. It won't be today though.
Holly macaronni!! You people need to get a social life. Wasting so many hours on a game is ridiculous.
Sad youth generation....
You know what's more ridiculous? sleep! Spending 1/3 of your life for useless sleep, sheesh... :p

100 hours is moderate though. I expect 200 hours at least on $60 games. Based on my past experience with Bethesda titles, Fallout 4 probably will give me ~500 hours over years. That's also part of why I don't mind paying (almost) full price.

That aside, on average I could afford 4 hours of gaming time (and it's about 10pm - 2am, no proper time for socializing anyway) and 3 hours of social life / free time outside work on weekdays.
 
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I took Paladin Danse to help me with a mission for The Railroad. After completing the mission, I took him to the Railroad headquarters where the leader there said they are declaring the Brotherhood of Steel their enemy and to keep it a secret. Awkward....
 
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@Frick you could save alot of typing and just write: My Standard Bethesda Reaction.
:-)
 
When in VATS, I cannot select the body part I want to hit consistently. It's often unavailable or nothing happens when I move the directional key.
At first I thought this was by design, because your character has to get better at it, though I cannot find it mentioned any where online.
 
Which generation is this exactly? The one from the 70's or the one from the 00's? What use is books when you could be chopping firewood!

Anyway,

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/11/stealth-in-fallout-4-is-like-a-developer-sanctioned-god-mode/

Everything I read about this game makes me hate it even more.


I think you're missing some more of the point here.

There is a mod for the chest piece of power armor. If you're crouched you don't use the fusion core, but can activate what is functionally a free stealth boy. Yes, the cost is huge (x4 science and x4 armorer) but it makes it possible (assuming you can tolerate that incessant beep) to run around with a character with a 1 agility in a power suit who is more ninja than a 10 agility build. Planning is either not Bethesda's strong suit, or they've not really concerned with high level characters because they believe their user base is not going to play that way.

I haven't invested anything in Ninja yet. I have invested in rifleman (x2 damage, increased limb damage). Right now, with the x2 stealth, x2 rifleman, and x2 instigation built-in bonus (x2 damage if enemy hit is at 100% health) the only thing that puts up a real fight are legendaries and swarms. That's with .308 rather than .50 rounds too. Heck, even the pipe rifle with these bonuses is capable of putting down a super mutant with half of the drum clip.

My issues with Bethesda are the usual. They seem to have no I in their AI. That extends to lots of the problems in game. Pathing is terrible, leading to the Brahmin and person issues where someone clips through things for no reason. Settler AI is....special. I watched as my laser turrets chewed through super mutants, and my settlers ran at them. I'd assumed that removing their pistols and ammo would have prevented anything but fleeing, but no. They tried to punch a super mutant to death and actually prevented the laser turrets from turning them into ground meat. What's worse, they're also surprisingly intelligent. I setup my power armor upstairs, and stored fusion cores next to them. During an engagement some settlers ran up, grabbed fusion cores, jumped into my power armor, and started running to the battle. Once the battle was done they promptly exited the power armor wherever they were, in several cases clogging stairways. The ones that didn't grab armor actually jacked weapons from my crates (and the ammo) and ran toward the battle. After the conflict they didn't return the weapons, I had to initiate a trade to return them to their storage. I had to fence my chests in to prevent them from stealing stuff. Worst of all, the occasional defenses of your bases are terrible. I have to drop everything and fast travel back to a place to watch my turrets obliterate the enemies. If you don't the game penalizes you and forces repopulation and rebuilding resources.

This is definitely a Bethesda game. They've got huge issues, the game itself is poorly documented, and they're expecting the community to fix their crap on PC because they always do. At the same time, it is fun. Get a full set of X-01 armor and you can actually feel like a badass. Want to screw with your enemy, take a sequined dress and mascot head into battle. Want all the perks, just grind away against enemies that occasionally get much more difficult (legendary), yet somehow don't feel like the bullet sponges of games past. Want a challenge, go back to the starting area and change weapons and play styles so that at level 50 the enemies are still challenging without being cheap (personally, I like the self challenge of going back to an area with only mines and grenades or with the flamer). Want to remember you're still playing a Bethesda game, go to the downtown area (east coast, near the airport) and watch FPS chug with the "default" settings that are detected (I've got a 7970 and the FPS is nearly unbearable on ultra, as detected).

The game has problems, but it's playable. It isn't being patched every two days (Skyrim), it isn't unplayable (3), and it's clearly a product of Bethesda rather than another developer dabbling in their world (New Vegas). It loses a lot of the RPG, but still plays very well. For every misgiving about the game there's a substantial improvement. Perfect, absolutely not. Immensely playable, absolutely. Worth the $70 (I got the season pass), more than any game I've bought in the last 5 years. I hate the game, I love the game, and it sucks more time than a black hole.



Pro-tip. Invest in Aquaboy (there's a lot more water in this game than any previous ones). Invest in Rifleman. Ammo scrounger feels necessary in the beginning, but I'm sitting on a giant pile of ammunition without any real investment in seeking it out (no scrounger, x1 on cap collector). The only time this has come back to bite me is ghoul hunting. As far as they go, they aren't zombies. Remove one leg and they're worthless. Same goes for the Assaultrons, though do mind the eye beam and them continuing to crawl at you. Invest in lock picking and science as early as possible, never leave a microscope or bioscanner behind, and you'll have fun later (Deathclaw vs. heavy laser turret bank is...I had to laugh because the caravan was running and suddenly it was like a disco show). Supply lines are total crap. They only share from point to point, so you'll have to have 3-4 hubs that the satellite settlements feed into in order to have crafting access to all your resources. I've put shy of 100 hours in, and have yet to go to Diamond City. The fatman is....truly a thing to behold. Once the MIRV upgrade is installed (and if you get the special double firing one) you basically don't have an enemy in the entire game that takes more than one shot to obliterate (without upgraded explosives stats). If you want to blaze through the main game, it's short. If you hoard, spend time developing all of your settlements, and search everywhere you'll have plenty of game.
 
I've actually played the damn thing now and here's the rundown.

Good things:
  • It looks better when playing than in screenshots. Plus it runs pretty well on my system, even with high presets. I haven't noted FPS's, but it generally felt fluid enough except for some weird lagging now and then. Like page-lag. It maxed out the GPU RAM (2GB) but only topped out at 2GB-and-a-bit system RAM. Dunno why.
  • The world looks pretty good actually. I mean thematically. From what I've seen anyway. Then there's the usual "more like 50 years tops instead of 200" thing, but that is nothing new in the series.
  • You can use most things you pick up.
  • Mods for stuff is easy to make.
  • Lots of crafting
  • Combat. Shooting. As compared to earlier games.
Bad things:
  • But all things you pick up are magically converted to crafting materials. A broom made of plastic gives me three units of wood? They just left all pretence of ... well anything beyond making crafting as spammy as possible. The inventory is filled with crap for no good reason whatsoever.
  • The same with mods. I can salvage tin pots and plastic brooms to make my gun barrel longer somehow?
  • UI. I could write novels about this
  • AI. I mean good grief is it just me or are they getting WORSE at it?
  • Dialouge. The voice acting could probably be good, but the dialouge is not so it doesn't matter. And the dialouge wheel is the dumbest implemetation yet.
  • The crafting is ... pretty dumb. Some of it is nice, but for one thing the UI bogs it down and again, collect enough plastic brooms and tin cans and you can build a small shack. Crafting in Fallout could be an interesting thing indeed, but now it just feels ... like bad MMORPG crafting.
  • Replacing skills with perks ... I dunno. It's different, and probably not only bad when you get down to it, but it does feel dumbed down.
  • No hardcore mode and bullet-sponging difficulty settings.

So far it feels like other Bethsoft games but more ambitious, which might be good in some respects but overall is bad for the game. What is this game about anyway? They left proper writing and RPGing waaaayy back so now it's ... it's more like an MMO than other Bethsoft games, but without what makes MMO games work: other people. It's like they're trying to make a single game the only game you'll ever need, and all the propents of MS out there know exactly what that means: Windows 8.

In short, for those of you who hated Windows 8, all Bethsoft games is exactly like that, and Fallout 4 is the best example yet: unfocused and unwieldy.


I was thinking about writing how this relates to binge-watching TV, but I digress.
 
I took Paladin Danse to help me with a mission for The Railroad. After completing the mission, I took him to the Railroad headquarters where the leader there said they are declaring the Brotherhood of Steel their enemy and to keep it a secret. Awkward....

I was a bit suspicious with paladin dans , so ive left that mission so far .I've just completed The Silver Shrouuuddd lol
I love this game its so cruisey or frantic and the graphics are 85% > could be better if any complaints
 
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