Fermi DirectX 12 support error in GPU-z

[P4-630]

If you want/need to run games/benchmarks DX12, just buy a proper new card that supports it and be done with it!!!

 

[alucasa]

Why is OP talking about his issue here?

 

[Naki]

Fill in your forum PC specs, please. If you did, OS, card, CPU, RAM/etc would be clear. They are not now!

 

[agent_x007]

Why you all assume I use this GPU in my main rig ?

I own a GTX 780 Ti already, I wanted to point out that GPU-z has an issue.
Where else can I point out my issue with GPU-z if not here (this is TechPowerUp forum section for "TechPowerUp GPU-z", right) ?
Wow...

To keep it simple : GPU-z lies about DirectX 12 support in Fermi GPU's.

This is the same for GPU-z :

But it isn't the same for Microsoft Dxdiag tool (and all DirectX 12 capable programs) :

I hope it can be fixed.

Thank you.

 

[Naki]

You should fill them in regardless. Common forum courtesy.

OK, in what way do you imagine this should get fixed in GPU-Z? Not clear.
What exactly do you want changed in the info GPU-Z shows, and to what value(s)?

And, YES, as others in this thread say, this ancient card is to be retired - thrown in the trash, given to someone you hate, OR maybe someone that does not play any PC video games but needs a basic discrete (and working) card.
OR donated to an orphanage, or retirement home/etc.

And then it can (and should!) be forever forgotten by you.
Cards with 4 GB of videoRAM are starting to not cut it for games these days. This card has 1.5 GB, for crying out loud!

 

[qubit]

And, YES, as others in this thread say, this ancient card is to be retired - thrown in the trash

I still have my beloved GTX 580. How dare you suggest that I throw it in the trash!

@agent_x007 Regardless of whether you're technically right or wrong about what GPU-Z displays, as W1zzard hasn't got back to you about it in several months you're completely wasting your time going on about it as he's not going to change it and will keep ignoring you. Once again, just let it go.

 

[agent_x007]

What I would like to see in GPU-z (for all Fermi cards) :
"DirectX Support : 11" instead of "DirectX Support : 12 (FL_11)".
I waited few months in hopes of him (W1zzard) writing something back, but he didn't - that's why I reminded of myself.

Well, at least when someone creates thread about "Fermi supports DirectX 12 - says GPU-z", I will have a place to send him to...

As for throwing away GTX 580 :
Can't someone just collect old GPUs ?
I like my MSI GTX 580 Lighting, and because of that it's not going anywhere.
It may be old, but it still is the fastest GTX 5xx series card with one GPU (not counting the 3GB version )

PS. I filled my PC specs in my profile

 

[qubit]

What I would like to see in GPU-z (for all Fermi cards) :
"DirectX Support : 11" instead of "DirectX Support : 12 (FL_11)".
I waited few months in hopes of him (W1zzard) writing something back, but he didn't - that's why I reminded of myself.

Well, at least when someone creates thread about "Fermi supports DirectX 12 - says GPU-z", I will have a place to send him to...

As for throwing away GTX 580 :
Can't someone just collect old GPUs ?
I like my MSI GTX 580 Lighting, and because of that it's not going anywhere.
It may be old, but it still is the fastest GTX 5xx series card with one GPU

PS. I filled my PC specs in my profile

I get you're new here and didn't realize, but when w1z doesn't reply you might as well just forget about it. He will have seen what you wrote and decided that it's not worth his time to fix or address, but at least you know that he's seen it. In the end, it's a free utility that's very useful for us enthusiasts, so we can't complain too much.

I'm with you on the old graphics cards, dude. I've got loads of them and they're not going anywhere. Here's a list of just some of them that I posted about in another thread yesterday:

There are several: 7950 GX2, 8800 GTX, 8800 Ultra (offset cooler reference version) GTX 295 (single board version) 9800 GX2, GTX 590 (I have 3, but don't tell anyone) GTX 780 Ti (such a beast of a card, with the full uncut Kepler GPU and still powerful today). And the runt of the litter, the HD 2900 Pro (bios flashed to XT). The card looks simply beautiful even if it can't compete with its competition, the 8800 GTX.

Except for the 9800 GX2, which I sold on eBay, (sold 3 at a nice profit ) I have all of those cards and crucially, they all work. These babies are going nowhere. The 7950 GX2 in particular, with its tiny, noisy fans is known for unreliability, so it's great that I managed to bag a brand new EVGA one in its sealed box at a firesale, which works perfectly.

 

[alucasa]

Actually, Wizard is on a 2 week holiday.

 

[dorsetknob]

Can't someone just collect old GPUs ?

I will take it off you then its not your problem anymore

 

[Recon-UK]

Yeah my 670 runs TimeSpy at less than 1FPS.. 580 can't run it.

Not seeing how this is a big deal.

 

[agent_x007]

Yeah my 670 runs TimeSpy at less than 1FPS.. 580 can't run it.

Not seeing how this is a big deal.

Less than 1FPS ?
You better check your GPU, my sisters GTX 670 FTW gets over 10x that (LINK).

It's not about performance, but about information you are getting.
Never tell someone a product supports something when in reality it doesn't/can't - it's a bad idea.
What If : Some higher-up NV software employee thinks that Fermi already has DirectX 12 "because GPU-z says so" ?

EDIT :
@down As always : Using exaggeration when "needed" (1FPS = 10FPS...).

 

[Recon-UK]

Less than 1FPS ?
You better check your GPU, my sisters GTX 670 FTW gets over 10x that (LINK).

It's not about performance, but about information you are getting.
Never tell someone a product supports something when in reality it doesn't/can't - it's a bad idea.
What If : Some higher-up NV software employee thinks that Fermi already has DirectX 12 "because GPU-z says so" ?

It's an absolute slide show.

 

[alucasa]

Man, someone's world is really coming down, isn't it.

 

[agent_x007]

Man, someone's world is really coming down, isn't it.

Yup, he just realised GTX 670 is too slow to play AoS with DX12 on max...

 

[Recon-UK]

LOL this guy.

I will give you a cookie for the try at deflection.

 

[Frick]

What If : Some higher-up NV software employee thinks that Fermi already has DirectX 12 "because GPU-z says so" ?

That is definitely their problem.

I kinda agree though, it is confusing if you have no idea what it is and all those different blasted feature levels. I have 12 (11_0) in that box and I've no idea what that means, and the popup is kinda useless tbh. I know what my GPU can do anyway, so I kinda get it anyway, but I can see people getting genuinly confused.

Thing is I'm pretty sure GPU-Z just reads the drivers (as might have been pointed out already), and wiz might not be interested in entering that info manually into the program.

 

[Naki]

@Frick - nope. The DX XX (YY in brackets) levels are coming from GPU-Z and not any drivers.

Original poster - thanks for filling in the specs!

 

[rtwjunkie]

What If : Some higher-up NV software employee thinks that Fermi already has DirectX 12 "because GPU-z says so" ?

I have no idea why you would think so. W1zzard doesn't make stuff up. He designed a program that reads the information from the drivers and hardware, so why NV would be referring to GPU-z I don't know. He merely takes the information provided from NV and AMD.

 

[agent_x007]

Maybe ALL NV employees are smart enough to know this [Fermi doesn't support DX12], but I doubt it.
Either way, I bet there are users of DX11 GPU's that will ask :
"Why I can't use DirectX 12 when it's clearly supported (and points to GPU-z screenshot) ?"

GPU-z isn't showing what it should.
I wanted to point that there is problem and expected someone to do something about it.
I get that it may not be possible to fix right away, and that's OK (I waited almost 5 months already, can wait another few).

 

[PerfectWave]

tbh nvida always lied when talking to DX12 Kappa

 

[R-T-B]

It supports precisely what it says, DirectX 12, Feature Level 11. This means it provides the basic performance enhancements of DX12 provided by WDDM 2.0. That's all. There is no guarantee the entire feature set is working.

 

[Frick]

It supports precisely what it says, DirectX 12, Feature Level 11. This means it provides the basic performance enhancements of DX12 provided by WDDM 2.0. That's all. There is no guarantee the entire feature set is working.

Then that should be in the tooltip.

 

[R-T-B]

Then that should be in the tooltip.

As a beta tester for GPU-Z, I actually agree and will forward your suggestion.

 

[Vayra86]

Maybe ALL NV employees are smart enough to know this [Fermi doesn't support DX12], but I doubt it.
Either way, I bet there are users of DX11 GPU's that will ask :
"Why I can't use DirectX 12 when it's clearly supported (and points to GPU-z screenshot) ?"

GPU-z isn't showing what it should.
I wanted to point that there is problem and expected someone to do something about it.
I get that it may not be possible to fix right away, and that's OK (I waited almost 5 months already, can wait another few).

Get this into your head: it will not be fixed, because the information that is there is CORRECT.

You just interpret it differently.