First time building in 8 years, need help with new rig.

[gecko-man]

Basically last time i built my pc was like 8-7 years ago and I realised I need a new pc cos I saw how one of my friends rigs game settings and it was beautiful . To this end the build im thinking of going for is as follows. This is what my friend recommend I go.

CPU - i5 12600kf
Motherboard - ASUS TUF Gaming Z690-PLUS D4 LGA 1700 ATX Motherboard, 15 DrMOS, PCIe 5.0, DDR4 RAM, Four M.2 slots, 2.5 Gb Ethernet, Front USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C, Thunderbolt 4 Support and RGB Lighting
Graphics Card - Either a 3070ti or 3080 not sure which one as my friend has been telling me I need 1000W psu to supply the 3080 but the power calculator says otherwise.
RAM - 16gb of ddr4 ram hyperx fury
SSD's/HDD's - 1 m.2 1tb and crucial bx500 2tb ssd and maybe couple of more ssds from my other build not quite sure though.
Case - Corsair 4000d Airflow tempered glass midtower ATX.
PSU - This is where it gets confusing for me as if i only need 850 I would go for this corsair rm850 but he thinks I need a 1000w so his reccomending ASUS rog strix 1000W.
Cooling - EK water blocks EK-AIO 280 D-rgb

So can someone help me refine this build or I should go for what my friend says as he has been paying attention to pc parts more than me.

 

[3x0]

Maybe wait for Intel 13th gen to come out and get a 13600k for pretty much the same price.

As for the PSU, 3080 doesn't need more than 850W especially considering you're getting an i5 processor which doesn't consume as much power leaving more for the GPU.

 

[dgianstefani]

Personally I would go for 32GB of RAM as a decent kit can be had for around £100/$100 at this point.
You don't need a 1000W PSU, get a solid 850W, Seasonic and Corsair Gold/Plat/Ti are good options.
If the budget can stretch I would either get the i7 12700, or wait for the 13600k (non K is fine, if you can get the non F unit you get integrated graphics which are good for stream encoding and backup troubleshooting graphics).

 

[gecko-man]

What is the difference between the 13th and the 12th gen?

also, I realised now but should I not go for a 1000w psu mainly for future proofing?

 

[Chomiq]

Graphics Card - Either a 3070ti or 3080 not sure which one as my friend has been telling me I need 1000W psu to supply the 3080 but the power calculator says otherwise.

I'm running 3080 Ti on a 750W psu.

 

[dgianstefani]

I'm running 3080 Ti on a 750W psu.

Me too lol, but it's an excellent plat unit.

What is the difference between the 13th and the 12th gen?

also, I realised now but should I not go for a 1000w psu mainly for future proofing?

13th has much better E cores, somewhat better P cores (refined, and double the per core cache), and is better overall.

13600k has 4 more E cores compared to 12600k.

An 850W PSU has plenty of future proofing by the way. Just get a higher quality Seasonic GX/PX/TX unit or one of the better Corsair ones.

 

[Fourstaff]

What is the difference between the 13th and the 12th gen?

also, I realised now but should I not go for a 1000w psu mainly for future proofing?

13th Gen is likely to be much more powerful than 12th gen. However most of us are still using 9/10/11 gen processors without a bottleneck problem. As for PSU, 850w is plenty of power even for RTX 4090 which may take up to 600w.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Basically last time i built my pc was like 8-7 years ago and I realised I need a new pc cos I saw how one of my friends rigs game settings and it was beautiful . To this end the build im thinking of going for is as follows. This is what my friend recommend I go.

CPU - i5 12600kf
Motherboard - ASUS TUF Gaming Z690-PLUS D4 LGA 1700 ATX Motherboard, 15 DrMOS, PCIe 5.0, DDR4 RAM, Four M.2 slots, 2.5 Gb Ethernet, Front USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C, Thunderbolt 4 Support and RGB Lighting
Graphics Card - Either a 3070ti or 3080 not sure which one as my friend has been telling me I need 1000W psu to supply the 3080 but the power calculator says otherwise.
RAM - 16gb of ddr4 ram hyperx fury
SSD's/HDD's - 1 m.2 1tb and crucial bx500 2tb ssd and maybe couple of more ssds from my other build not quite sure though.
Case - Corsair 4000d Airflow tempered glass midtower ATX.
PSU - This is where it gets confusing for me as if i only need 850 I would go for this corsair rm850 but he thinks I need a 1000w so his reccomending ASUS rog strix 1000W.
Cooling - EK water blocks EK-AIO 280 D-rgb

So can someone help me refine this build or I should go for what my friend says as he has been paying attention to pc parts more than me.

You might want to wait another 10 days and see if the new Raptor Lake is significantly better in performance. Or if it drops the Alder Lake CPUs price a bit.

Personally if buying right now I'd ditch the 280 EK Waterblock AIO, get an Arctic Freezer II 280 AIO for $100 less, get an 850W PSU and save another $30 or so, and use the saved money to get 32GB of DDR4-3600 C16 and a 12700K (which can make use of the AIO). You shouldn't be putting 16GB of RAM in a moderately high end build like that.

12700K is a better match to a 3080 class GPU, but there is a good chance that the 13600K will be faster than the 12700K in many gaming situations.

 

[dgianstefani]

You might want to wait another 10 days and see if the new Raptor Lake is significantly better in performance. Or if it drops the Alder Lake CPUs price a bit.

Personally if buying right now I'd ditch the 280 EK Waterblock AIO, get an Arctic Freezer II 280 AIO for $100 less, get an 850W PSU and save another $30 or so, and use the saved money to get 32GB of DDR4-3600 C16 and a 12700K (which can make use of the AIO). You shouldn't be putting 16GB of RAM in a moderately high end build like that.

12700K is a better match to a 3080 class GPU, but there is a good chance that the 13600K will be faster than the 12700K in many gaming situations.

I would say the 13600k would be equal or better to the 12700k in just about every situation.

 

[gecko-man]

Alright thanks, all I think ill wait another 10 days and see whats what.

 

[Mr McC]

I recently put together my nephew's new rig, here's what I went for:

CPU - 5800X3D
Motherboard - Gigabyte B550 Aorus Elite V2 (rev. 1)
Graphics Card - Asus TUF 3070
RAM - Team Group 8Pack Edition 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C16 3600MHz Dual Channel Kit
SSD's/HDD's - Samsung 980 PRO with Heatsink PCIe 4.0 M.2 SSD 2TB
Case - Phanteks Eclipse P500A
PSU - Corsair RM 750x.
Cooling - EK water blocks EK-AIO 360 D-rgb

I couldn't be happier.

 

[Upgrayedd]

If your rig is 8 years old you won't notice a difference between 12th and 13th gen. Get the cheaper one.
750 to 850w is fine for a 3080. You can get a cheap psu that is a good unit from eVga. They just rebrand seasonic units. Evga has a sale every Wednesday.

 

[64K]

I would recommend a quality 850 watt PSU. If you get a quality unit they generally have a reserve capacity as well.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

If your rig is 8 years old you won't notice a difference between 12th and 13th gen. Get the cheaper one.
750 to 850w is fine for a 3080. You can get a cheap psu that is a good unit from eVga. They just rebrand seasonic units. Evga has a sale every Wednesday.

This is true for some models. They also source from FSP, and from HEC and CWT if memory serves.

 

[deathandtaxes]

Just built a rig recently for some Cinema4d, Blender, Unity XR work.
Got everything at microcenter because I didn't want to deal with shipping from multiple sources and their customer service is amazing.
I have an EVGA RTX 3080 FTW3 ULTRA from a previous build so tack on another G to this sales total in your case.

 

[dgianstefani]

Just built a rig recently for some Cinema4d, Blender, Unity XR work.
Got everything at microcenter because I didn't want to deal with shipping from multiple sources and their customer service is amazing.
I have an EVGA RTX 3080 FTW3 ULTRA from a previous build so tack on another G to this sales total in your case.

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I'd be very wary with that PSU.

 

[deathandtaxes]

I'd be very wary with that PSU.

It's interesting you say that because I have a feeling it may be causing issues with my video card.
I have a monitor plugged into the HDMI port on my video card and it works fine.
My second monitor plugged into the display port 1 flickers on an off and sometimes works fine.
This morning I now see that my Vive Pro 2 in display port 2 is disconnected.

Could be an issue with the PSU 8-pin connectors.

What are your thoughts?

 

[dgianstefani]

It's interesting you say that because I have a feeling it may be causing issues with my video card.
I have a monitor plugged into the HDMI port on my video card and it works fine.
My second monitor plugged into the display port 1 flickers on an off and sometimes works fine.
This morning I now see that my Vive Pro 2 in display port 2 is disconnected.

Could be an issue with the PSU 8-pin connectors.

What are your thoughts?

Could be anything, but the PSU in that list stands out, it's well known that a bad PSU can cause hard to troubleshoot problems.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/...ditorschoice=1&recommended=1&pp=25&order=date something from this list 850W plus.

Alternatively the Seasonic GX/PX/TX series or the bequiet dark power 12 are both excellent options.

Just seems like a noname brand upsell, probably from a chinese OEM that has questionable standards, stands out from the list as the rest of your parts are pretty good.

 

[deathandtaxes]

Thank you so much for the thoughtful reply.
I think I will upgrade the PSU as soon as possible. It's worth noting I had no issues with the same video card in my old build so it's either the PSU, mobo, or cooling issues.
I won't muck up this thread any longer but I'll edit this reply later on if/once I resolve the issue for the sake of posterity.

 

[qubit]

I'd spend the extra few dollars and get the CPU with the IGP as it's massively handy for testing and troubleshooting.

Also, go for Raptor Lake. Latest gen is better.

 

[dgianstefani]

I'd spend the extra few dollars and get the CPU with the IGP as it's massively handy for testing and troubleshooting.

Also, go for Raptor Lake. Latest gen is better.

Quite good in some adobe software to have quicksync support too. What I like to do in iGPU systems is run the second monitor which never has anything 3D intensive on the motherboard display connector, so the dGPU can focus on the difficult stuff.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Basically last time i built my pc was like 8-7 years ago and I realised I need a new pc cos I saw how one of my friends rigs game settings and it was beautiful . To this end the build im thinking of going for is as follows. This is what my friend recommend I go.

CPU - i5 12600kf
Motherboard - ASUS TUF Gaming Z690-PLUS D4 LGA 1700 ATX Motherboard, 15 DrMOS, PCIe 5.0, DDR4 RAM, Four M.2 slots, 2.5 Gb Ethernet, Front USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C, Thunderbolt 4 Support and RGB Lighting
Graphics Card - Either a 3070ti or 3080 not sure which one as my friend has been telling me I need 1000W psu to supply the 3080 but the power calculator says otherwise.
RAM - 16gb of ddr4 ram hyperx fury
SSD's/HDD's - 1 m.2 1tb and crucial bx500 2tb ssd and maybe couple of more ssds from my other build not quite sure though.
Case - Corsair 4000d Airflow tempered glass midtower ATX.
PSU - This is where it gets confusing for me as if i only need 850 I would go for this corsair rm850 but he thinks I need a 1000w so his reccomending ASUS rog strix 1000W.
Cooling - EK water blocks EK-AIO 280 D-rgb

So can someone help me refine this build or I should go for what my friend says as he has been paying attention to pc parts more than me.

Here's my 2 cents. That's a good list of parts. A word about the GPU, unless you're going to do gaming at 2160p(4k), you don't need a 3070ti or 3080. A standard 3070 will be more than good and will solidly last you several years. If you are going to go 2160p, then yes, you want a 3080 and a matching PSU. 1000w would be well more than you really need. A quality 850W psu from Corsair, EVGA, Seasonic or another quality brand will grant you more than enough power plus a good overhead for load spikes.

Another point about 2160p is system RAM. If you're going to play games with a lot of mods and addins, you will begin pushing the limits of 16GB. Most games won't need more, but there are some that will. It might be wise to spend a bit more money for 24GB(2x8GB+2x4GB) or 32GB to allow for more headroom. Another thing to keep in mind is that RAM speed is not as important as having enough. For example, instead of 16GB DDR4-4000, get 32GB of DDR4-3400. The performance difference will barely register in the vast majority of games, but extra RAM will ensure you will have enough for the foreseeable future.

BTW, welcome to TPU!!

 

[nomdeplume]

CPU - i5 12600kf
Motherboard - ASUS TUF Gaming Z690-PLUS D4 LGA 1700 ATX Motherboard, 15 DrMOS, PCIe 5.0, DDR4 RAM, Four M.2 slots, 2.5 Gb Ethernet, Front USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C, Thunderbolt 4 Support and RGB Lighting

I've noted across a fairly wide amount of uses 12th gen Intel quietly being stated as to be avoided. The range of incompatibilities and hiccups power users encountered has made me wonder. Cabals and attempts to force industry wide use of proprietary elements are sadly not uncommon. Do your own research.

Also worth considering how long Intel will be supporting the 13th gen socket. Way the world is going it may not be a popular solution to continue their practice of making boards redundant so quickly. I do wonder if you'll come around to looking at a lower wattage 13th gen i9 as future proofing.

Graphics Card - Either a 3070ti or 3080 not sure which one as my friend has been telling me I need 1000W psu to supply the 3080 but the power calculator says otherwise.

Fair minded suggestion to wait a few days before starting your considerations applies here as well. Site owner hinted yesterday, to avoid hype and rumor which I scandalously fueled with scare tactics , a very common sense application of thought towards 4000 series cards might produce reasons to purchase them. Firmware determines much in the way of hardware behaviors. So it is especially critical to understand the full capabilities of any hardware it has to work with.

RAM - 16gb of ddr4 ram hyperx fury
SSD's/HDD's - 1 m.2 1tb and crucial bx500 2tb ssd and maybe couple of more ssds from my other build not quite sure though.
Case - Corsair 4000d Airflow tempered glass midtower ATX.

Get 32GB RAM and pursue what will make you happiest elsewhere here. DDR4 or DDR5 is a very wide open question highly dependent on a) manufacturing and b) availability.

PSU - This is where it gets confusing for me as if i only need 850 I would go for this corsair rm850 but he thinks I need a 1000w so his reccomending ASUS rog strix 1000W.

Ask your buddy for monthly contributions to your utility statement or let the product cycle expand a bit further here as well. I'd avoid stopgap first to market products or those with soon to be legacy feature sets. That 4000 series card power dongle is hardly convincing of long term viability.

Cooling - EK water blocks EK-AIO 280 D-rgb

No idea, hope you enjoy the light show whatever way this part goes.

 

[Why_Me]

Basically last time i built my pc was like 8-7 years ago and I realised I need a new pc cos I saw how one of my friends rigs game settings and it was beautiful . To this end the build im thinking of going for is as follows. This is what my friend recommend I go.

CPU - i5 12600kf
Motherboard - ASUS TUF Gaming Z690-PLUS D4 LGA 1700 ATX Motherboard, 15 DrMOS, PCIe 5.0, DDR4 RAM, Four M.2 slots, 2.5 Gb Ethernet, Front USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C, Thunderbolt 4 Support and RGB Lighting
Graphics Card - Either a 3070ti or 3080 not sure which one as my friend has been telling me I need 1000W psu to supply the 3080 but the power calculator says otherwise.
RAM - 16gb of ddr4 ram hyperx fury
SSD's/HDD's - 1 m.2 1tb and crucial bx500 2tb ssd and maybe couple of more ssds from my other build not quite sure though.
Case - Corsair 4000d Airflow tempered glass midtower ATX.
PSU - This is where it gets confusing for me as if i only need 850 I would go for this corsair rm850 but he thinks I need a 1000w so his reccomending ASUS rog strix 1000W.
Cooling - EK water blocks EK-AIO 280 D-rgb

So can someone help me refine this build or I should go for what my friend says as he has been paying attention to pc parts more than me.

What country are you located, what is your budget, what is your monitor resolution and what components if any do you plan on reusing? <--- those questions should have been asked by the 3rd post on this thread.

 

[lexluthermiester]

What country are you located

That doesn't matter. If they've listed parts, the OP obviously as access to purchase them so their location is not relevant.

what is your budget

They did not ask about prices specifically so it is not where they need input.

what is your monitor resolution

This has been covered.

and what components if any do you plan on reusing?

Why would we need to know this?

<--- those questions should have been asked by the 3rd post on this thread.

I disagree. Based on the structure and content of the OP, only one of your points needed to be addressed and it has been.

My point with with this response is to highlight that we need to be helpful to our visiting user, not over critical.