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Fps drops even after rebuilding whole system

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I have been struggling with small fps drops/stuttering for quite a while now in pretty much every single game and have also rebuild pc completely while trying to figure out what is the cause.
Have reinstalled drivers and windows, switched to new SSD, new gpu, mb, cpu and no help from that, also scanned pc with antivirus multiple times.
at this point im completely out of ideas so any help is appreciated
Also have done:
disabled ingame overlays
tested all different graphics settings from ultra to low
set power settings to performance
toyed around with nvidia control panel settings

Notes about the fps drops there are 2 types:
1st when map/new area/assets are loaded
2nd randomly while gaming (fps monitor only shows small fps drops but it feels larger than that)
3rd also weird lag when hitting performance tab in task manager + clicking around in nvidia control panel

one more edit note: happens on games installed on different hard drives as well

Bench marks return no errors + show good performance but yet big fps drops in those as well
cant see anything weird in perfomance tab in task manager (everything looks correct there=
temps are fine




CPU 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-12700K 3.61 GHz
Installed RAM 64,0 Gt (63,7 Gt available)
GPU Nvidia geforce RTX 3080 (problems happened also with 1080)
PSU Corsair RM 1000x
Samsung SSD 980 pro 2TB
Motherboard: ASUS TUF GAMING Z690-Plus WIFI D4

So if anyone is able to help it would be appreciated

Thanks
 
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intel drivers are up to date ill be updating bios once life calms down enough for it to not be an issue if something goes wrong
 
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I suggest DDU and then block Windows Update from installing drivers. Then remove the graphics drivers with DDU and reboot.

(Display Driver Installer) (wagnardsoft .com )
 

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I suggest DDU and then block Windows Update from installing drivers. Then remove the graphics drivers with DDU and reboot.

(Display Driver Installer) (wagnardsoft .com )
i use ddu everytime i update my gpu drivers because for what ever reason not doing so causes issues with driver
 
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I have been struggling with small fps drops/stuttering for quite a while now in pretty much every single game and have also rebuild pc completely while trying to figure out what is the cause.
Have reinstalled drivers and windows, switched to new SSD, new gpu, mb, cpu and no help from that, also scanned pc with antivirus multiple times.
at this point im completely out of ideas so any help is appreciated
Also have done:
disabled ingame overlays
tested all different graphics settings from ultra to low
set power settings to performance
toyed around with nvidia control panel settings

Notes about the fps drops there are 2 types:
1st when map/new area/assets are loaded
2nd randomly while gaming (fps monitor only shows small fps drops but it feels larger than that)
3rd also weird lag when hitting performance tab in task manager + clicking around in nvidia control panel

one more edit note: happens on games installed on different hard drives as well

Bench marks return no errors + show good performance but yet big fps drops in those as well
cant see anything weird in perfomance tab in task manager (everything looks correct there=
temps are fine




CPU 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-12700K 3.61 GHz
Installed RAM 64,0 Gt (63,7 Gt available)
GPU Nvidia geforce RTX 3080 (problems happened also with 1080)
PSU Corsair RM 1000x
Samsung SSD 980 pro 2TB
Motherboard: ASUS TUF GAMING Z690-Plus WIFI D4

So if anyone is able to help it would be appreciated

Thanks
I am assuming you are using windows, try turning windows memory compression off.
ill link to a webpage with instructions rather than typing it myself https://www.elevenforum.com/t/enabl...ompression-in-windows-10-and-windows-11.3555/
 
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IF after replacing everything and hardware diagnosis has proved futile, and you're getting stuttering in games, there is a setting in windows that could be the problem child. This happened to me, but I forgot exactly what setting it was, but I think it had to with Personalization.
 
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Have you updated your BIOS and performed those other updates listed from the ASUS website?

Having swapped everything, you are working with an entirely different configuration than before. I would say this is solely a software issue. I had the same issue except with getting TDRs with my system, several years ago. I replaced everything and still had issues.
 

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Are you playing / testing with online games? Maybe you have a slow / bad internet connection, sometimes that can be the issue.
 

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Are you playing / testing with online games? Maybe you have a slow / bad internet connection, sometimes that can be the issue.
yes issue happens with both offline and online games. Internet is not the issues (low ping 250down 150up) and its stable

I am assuming you are using windows, try turning windows memory compression off.
ill link to a webpage with instructions rather than typing it myself https://www.elevenforum.com/t/enabl...ompression-in-windows-10-and-windows-11.3555/
thank you for the tip ill be testing that out soon

Have you updated your BIOS and performed those other updates listed from the ASUS website?

Having swapped everything, you are working with an entirely different configuration than before. I would say this is solely a software issue. I had the same issue except with getting TDRs with my system, several years ago. I replaced everything and still had issues.
ill be doing the driver updates and bios updates today/tomorrow (i think some of the drivers might be atleast partly related to one of the issues)

for the pc being prettymuch rebuild only few old hdd's and cd drive and the case are part of the original setup.

bios update is now done ill monitor the performance for a day or two and see if there is a difference and update this thread afterwards
 

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unfortunately it seems bios update did not help with the issue

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CONCLUSION
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Your system seems to be having difficulty handling real-time audio and other tasks. You may experience drop outs, clicks or pops due to buffer underruns.
One or more DPC routines that belong to a driver running in your system appear to be executing for too long. One problem may be related to power
management, disable CPU throttling settings in Control Panel and BIOS setup. Check for BIOS updates.
LatencyMon has been analyzing your system for 0:02:18 (h:mm:ss) on all processors.


_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
SYSTEM INFORMATION
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Computer name: DESKTOP-PCTPT74
OS version: Windows 10, 10.0, version 2009, build: 19045 (x64)
Hardware: System Product Name, ASUS
BIOS: 2103
CPU: GenuineIntel 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-12700K
Logical processors: 20
Processor groups: 1
Processor group size: 20
RAM: 65277 MB total


_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
CPU SPEED
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Reported CPU speed (WMI): 360 MHz
Reported CPU speed (registry): 3610 MHz

Note: reported execution times may be calculated based on a fixed reported CPU speed. Disable variable speed settings like Intel Speed Step and AMD Cool N
Quiet in the BIOS setup for more accurate results.


_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
MEASURED INTERRUPT TO USER PROCESS LATENCIES
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The interrupt to process latency reflects the measured interval that a usermode process needed to respond to a hardware request from the moment the
interrupt service routine started execution. This includes the scheduling and execution of a DPC routine, the signaling of an event and the waking up of a
usermode thread from an idle wait state in response to that event.

Highest measured interrupt to process latency (µs): 457,0
Average measured interrupt to process latency (µs): 4,941098

Highest measured interrupt to DPC latency (µs): 351,40
Average measured interrupt to DPC latency (µs): 1,927990


_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
REPORTED ISRs
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Interrupt service routines are routines installed by the OS and device drivers that execute in response to a hardware interrupt signal.

Highest ISR routine execution time (µs): 93,618837
Driver with highest ISR routine execution time: Wdf01000.sys - Suorituksenaikainen ydintilaohjainkehys, Microsoft Corporation

Highest reported total ISR routine time (%): 0,002314
Driver with highest ISR total time: Wdf01000.sys - Suorituksenaikainen ydintilaohjainkehys, Microsoft Corporation

Total time spent in ISRs (%) 0,002314

ISR count (execution time <250 µs): 142292
ISR count (execution time 250-500 µs): 0
ISR count (execution time 500-1000 µs): 0
ISR count (execution time 1000-2000 µs): 0
ISR count (execution time 2000-4000 µs): 0
ISR count (execution time >=4000 µs): 0


_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
REPORTED DPCs
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DPC routines are part of the interrupt servicing dispatch mechanism and disable the possibility for a process to utilize the CPU while it is interrupted
until the DPC has finished execution.

Highest DPC routine execution time (µs): 1502,788366
Driver with highest DPC routine execution time: nvlddmkm.sys - NVIDIA Windows Kernel Mode Driver, Version 526.47 , NVIDIA Corporation

Highest reported total DPC routine time (%): 0,060927
Driver with highest DPC total execution time: Wdf01000.sys - Suorituksenaikainen ydintilaohjainkehys, Microsoft Corporation

Total time spent in DPCs (%) 0,186498

DPC count (execution time <250 µs): 549794
DPC count (execution time 250-500 µs): 0
DPC count (execution time 500-10000 µs): 2203
DPC count (execution time 1000-2000 µs): 3
DPC count (execution time 2000-4000 µs): 0
DPC count (execution time >=4000 µs): 0


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REPORTED HARD PAGEFAULTS
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Hard pagefaults are events that get triggered by making use of virtual memory that is not resident in RAM but backed by a memory mapped file on disk. The
process of resolving the hard pagefault requires reading in the memory from disk while the process is interrupted and blocked from execution.

NOTE: some processes were hit by hard pagefaults. If these were programs producing audio, they are likely to interrupt the audio stream resulting in
dropouts, clicks and pops. Check the Processes tab to see which programs were hit.

Process with highest pagefault count: system

Total number of hard pagefaults 76
Hard pagefault count of hardest hit process: 26
Number of processes hit: 15


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PER CPU DATA
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CPU 0 Interrupt cycle time (s): 7,732164
CPU 0 ISR highest execution time (µs): 93,618837
CPU 0 ISR total execution time (s): 0,063958
CPU 0 ISR count: 142292
CPU 0 DPC highest execution time (µs): 412,581717
CPU 0 DPC total execution time (s): 2,907535
CPU 0 DPC count: 417328
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CPU 1 Interrupt cycle time (s): 3,402245
CPU 1 ISR highest execution time (µs): 0,0
CPU 1 ISR total execution time (s): 0,0
CPU 1 ISR count: 0
CPU 1 DPC highest execution time (µs): 0,0
CPU 1 DPC total execution time (s): 0,0
CPU 1 DPC count: 0
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CPU 2 Interrupt cycle time (s): 3,115336
CPU 2 ISR highest execution time (µs): 0,0
CPU 2 ISR total execution time (s): 0,0
CPU 2 ISR count: 0
CPU 2 DPC highest execution time (µs): 80,72410
CPU 2 DPC total execution time (s): 0,002267
CPU 2 DPC count: 853
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CPU 3 Interrupt cycle time (s): 3,307515
CPU 3 ISR highest execution time (µs): 0,0
CPU 3 ISR total execution time (s): 0,0
CPU 3 ISR count: 0
CPU 3 DPC highest execution time (µs): 38,531302
CPU 3 DPC total execution time (s): 0,000051
CPU 3 DPC count: 5
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CPU 4 Interrupt cycle time (s): 11,646617
CPU 4 ISR highest execution time (µs): 0,0
CPU 4 ISR total execution time (s): 0,0
CPU 4 ISR count: 0
CPU 4 DPC highest execution time (µs): 1502,788366
CPU 4 DPC total execution time (s): 2,201024
CPU 4 DPC count: 121229
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CPU 5 Interrupt cycle time (s): 3,399726
CPU 5 ISR highest execution time (µs): 0,0
CPU 5 ISR total execution time (s): 0,0
CPU 5 ISR count: 0
CPU 5 DPC highest execution time (µs): 0,0
CPU 5 DPC total execution time (s): 0,0
CPU 5 DPC count: 0
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CPU 6 Interrupt cycle time (s): 0,788163
CPU 6 ISR highest execution time (µs): 0,0
CPU 6 ISR total execution time (s): 0,0
CPU 6 ISR count: 0
CPU 6 DPC highest execution time (µs): 12,597230
CPU 6 DPC total execution time (s): 0,000093
CPU 6 DPC count: 44
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CPU 7 Interrupt cycle time (s): 0,758453
CPU 7 ISR highest execution time (µs): 0,0
CPU 7 ISR total execution time (s): 0,0
CPU 7 ISR count: 0
CPU 7 DPC highest execution time (µs): 0,0
CPU 7 DPC total execution time (s): 0,0
CPU 7 DPC count: 0
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
CPU 8 Interrupt cycle time (s): 3,545265
CPU 8 ISR highest execution time (µs): 0,0
CPU 8 ISR total execution time (s): 0,0
CPU 8 ISR count: 0
CPU 8 DPC highest execution time (µs): 73,039335
CPU 8 DPC total execution time (s): 0,018146
CPU 8 DPC count: 6077
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CPU 9 Interrupt cycle time (s): 3,398020
CPU 9 ISR highest execution time (µs): 0,0
CPU 9 ISR total execution time (s): 0,0
CPU 9 ISR count: 0
CPU 9 DPC highest execution time (µs): 13,308033
CPU 9 DPC total execution time (s): 0,000028
CPU 9 DPC count: 9
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CPU 10 Interrupt cycle time (s): 3,099542
CPU 10 ISR highest execution time (µs): 0,0
CPU 10 ISR total execution time (s): 0,0
CPU 10 ISR count: 0
CPU 10 DPC highest execution time (µs): 107,241551
CPU 10 DPC total execution time (s): 0,015989
CPU 10 DPC count: 4550
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CPU 11 Interrupt cycle time (s): 3,399531
CPU 11 ISR highest execution time (µs): 0,0
CPU 11 ISR total execution time (s): 0,0
CPU 11 ISR count: 0
CPU 11 DPC highest execution time (µs): 0,0
CPU 11 DPC total execution time (s): 0,0
CPU 11 DPC count: 0
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
CPU 12 Interrupt cycle time (s): 0,348279
CPU 12 ISR highest execution time (µs): 0,0
CPU 12 ISR total execution time (s): 0,0
CPU 12 ISR count: 0
CPU 12 DPC highest execution time (µs): 28,572853
CPU 12 DPC total execution time (s): 0,000104
CPU 12 DPC count: 34
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CPU 13 Interrupt cycle time (s): 0,328990
CPU 13 ISR highest execution time (µs): 0,0
CPU 13 ISR total execution time (s): 0,0
CPU 13 ISR count: 0
CPU 13 DPC highest execution time (µs): 0,0
CPU 13 DPC total execution time (s): 0,0
CPU 13 DPC count: 0
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CPU 14 Interrupt cycle time (s): 0,292384
CPU 14 ISR highest execution time (µs): 0,0
CPU 14 ISR total execution time (s): 0,0
CPU 14 ISR count: 0
CPU 14 DPC highest execution time (µs): 6,577285
CPU 14 DPC total execution time (s): 0,000013
CPU 14 DPC count: 4
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CPU 15 Interrupt cycle time (s): 0,281824
CPU 15 ISR highest execution time (µs): 0,0
CPU 15 ISR total execution time (s): 0,0
CPU 15 ISR count: 0
CPU 15 DPC highest execution time (µs): 0,0
CPU 15 DPC total execution time (s): 0,0
CPU 15 DPC count: 0
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
CPU 16 Interrupt cycle time (s): 3,865705
CPU 16 ISR highest execution time (µs): 0,0
CPU 16 ISR total execution time (s): 0,0
CPU 16 ISR count: 0
CPU 16 DPC highest execution time (µs): 45,889751
CPU 16 DPC total execution time (s): 0,001903
CPU 16 DPC count: 542
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CPU 17 Interrupt cycle time (s): 3,687927
CPU 17 ISR highest execution time (µs): 0,0
CPU 17 ISR total execution time (s): 0,0
CPU 17 ISR count: 0
CPU 17 DPC highest execution time (µs): 71,921884
CPU 17 DPC total execution time (s): 0,002662
CPU 17 DPC count: 538
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CPU 18 Interrupt cycle time (s): 3,766795
CPU 18 ISR highest execution time (µs): 0,0
CPU 18 ISR total execution time (s): 0,0
CPU 18 ISR count: 0
CPU 18 DPC highest execution time (µs): 66,978947
CPU 18 DPC total execution time (s): 0,001497
CPU 18 DPC count: 314
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CPU 19 Interrupt cycle time (s): 3,779180
CPU 19 ISR highest execution time (µs): 0,0
CPU 19 ISR total execution time (s): 0,0
CPU 19 ISR count: 0
CPU 19 DPC highest execution time (µs): 111,453186
CPU 19 DPC total execution time (s): 0,002994
CPU 19 DPC count: 473
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Well if my pc is set to up to Save power in power managment section my pc stutters like hell. I wonder what yours is set too.
 
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"HDAudBus.sys"
Isn't this the generic Microsoft Audio driver? Because this means you haven't installed the drivers for it. Or because you have other audio device so you don't need this? If you don't need it, then disable it. If it is the one you use for audio, then get the proper drivers for it. Go to the site of ASUS and search for your motherboard model ASUS TUF GAMING Z690-Plus WIFI D4. Get BIOS, chipset, sound card and Network drivers for it.
Found it:

It is possible that somehow Windows Update doesn't know well how to install drivers with your actual system. It happens. Next time when format and install Windows, make sure you disable automatic hardware drivers updating BEFORE you connect to the internet. Just to ensure that Windows Update won't mess around with you system again (assuming it was the cause).
 

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IF after replacing everything and hardware diagnosis has proved futile, and you're getting stuttering in games, there is a setting in windows that could be the problem child. This happened to me, but I forgot exactly what setting it was, but I think it had to with Personalization.
Was it the setting that chooses the theme color by your desktop background?
 
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Are all components new or did you keep something from your old system?
 

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Well if my pc is set to up to Save power in power managment section my pc stutters like hell. I wonder what yours is set too.
unfortunately all power saving stuff is turned off so that is not the cause of this stuff

Are all components new or did you keep something from your old system?
only cd drive and 2 hdrs and back up ssd and case are from old system

"HDAudBus.sys"
Isn't this the generic Microsoft Audio driver? Because this means you haven't installed the drivers for it. Or because you have other audio device so you don't need this? If you don't need it, then disable it. If it is the one you use for audio, then get the proper drivers for it. Go to the site of ASUS and search for your motherboard model ASUS TUF GAMING Z690-Plus WIFI D4. Get BIOS, chipset, sound card and Network drivers for it.
Found it:

It is possible that somehow Windows Update doesn't know well how to install drivers with your actual system. It happens. Next time when format and install Windows, make sure you disable automatic hardware drivers updating BEFORE you connect to the internet. Just to ensure that Windows Update won't mess around with you system again (assuming it was the cause).
i agree audio driver could be issue here atleast partly. bios was updated last night to latest and ill look into doing the drivers now.
could you offer any pointers on where/how to disable the microsoft generic audio driver?
 

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I think so, that happened on windows 8.1. Now that you reminded me, its happened to some of my clients on win10.
 

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Have you installed any motherboard software like ASUS Armoury Crate or RGB software?
yes, after finishing the rebuild and noticing the issues still happening

hmm more i personally look at this more i think it might be windows issue im dealing with. ill try to do the reset in a way that wont wipe programs or files and see if that offers help possibly during the weekend.

IF after replacing everything and hardware diagnosis has proved futile, and you're getting stuttering in games, there is a setting in windows that could be the problem child. This happened to me, but I forgot exactly what setting it was, but I think it had to with Personalization.
unfortunately nothing related to that either
 
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In device manager, do you have any Yellow Exclamation Points or Yellow Question Marks??

Wdf01000.sys is a system file that is part of the Windows Driver Framework.

It is responsible for your software talking to your hardware.

Do you have any Blue Screen of Death (BSOD)???
 
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unfortunately nothing related to that either
Oh? Have you determined if the problem uses CPU cycles (viewed with windows resource monitor)?
 

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In device manager, do you have any Yellow Exclamation Points or Yellow Question Marks??

Wdf01000.sys is a system file that is part of the Windows Driver Framework.

It is responsible for your software talking to your hardware.

Do you have any Blue Screen of Death (BSOD)???
everything is looking correct in device manager

and for blue screens i had 2 after rebuild ( one for bad usb extension and other was due driver issue) and for before updating none at all
 

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happens on games installed on different hard drives
only cd drive and 2 hdrs
12th gen system...Why are games installed on HDDs?
I wouldn't have any of that rotating media attached to that system, except temporarily.
I'd try running just the components in the first post, no old SATA devices or anything else.
there is a setting in windows that could be the problem child. This happened to me, but I forgot exactly what setting it was
HAGS maybe?
 
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