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...It's why Nvidia charges so much for their graphics cards...

Nvidia's main profit margin comes from GPU sales, AMD get revenue elsewhere such as CPU's, including console sales (AMD based ones).
I have had a few issues with drivers and certain games, in general its not that bad, current one I use is stable.

I definitely don't seem to have the issues you have had using 6600 XT, 6900 XTX, 7900 XT.
I have 0 reason to swap to Nvidia other than RT.

In some way I feel like in part, Windows is to blame, unless AMD consoles also suffer the same fate.
 
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This isn't the thread for that, but in my defense, it's because they are! And their support is absolutely terrible! Right now they're completely aimless and misguided, trying to copy over Nvidia features with no regard for stability whatsoever - just look for that Anti Lag+ kerfuffle, Radeon VII getting axed in its 4th year, Vega-based APUs sharing in the same fate despite being in active production, it's time we stop pretending that their graphics drivers aren't complete garbage and the only reason why something like the 7900 XTX isn't a resounding success of a product. They're more or less heading the right way, but right now? Their compute frameworks such as HIP or ROCm are in basically an embryo stage compared to CUDA, gaming features are behind, etc. - stability wise, RDNA 2 seems to more or less work, anything other than that is currently a no man's land right now. Either because AMD can't afford to maintain it, or because they haven't been able to get the job done at the same time.

I mean, I've had HDMI audio driver BSODs with my Ryzen 5600H, man. Like, the AMD HDMI audio simply caused my laptop to go on a boot loop because it'd BSOD the second the audio driver loaded. How can you screw an audio driver for a mass market APU? They did that. Come on, man... sure they "fix" it after a couple of months, but that's precisely the problem, it shouldn't happen to begin with.
I guess people like me are have issues with their 5600Gs. You want to talk about Radeon 7 support when that card was available for months on retail? You can talk about software all you want but one of the things you don't mention is how good X3D chips are with re-bar enabled for Gaming. I have a 5600XT GPU and it works absolutely fine. Your specific laptop got Gremlins and the rest of us with Ryzen are suffering as well i guess but even without this thread AMD is killing it right now.
 
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I guess people like me are have issues with their 5600Gs. You want to talk about Radeon 7 support when that card was available for months on retail? You can talk about software all you want but one of the things you don't mention is how good X3D chips are with re-bar enabled for Gaming. I have a 5600XT GPU and it works absolutely fine. Your specific laptop got Gremlins and the rest of us with Ryzen are suffering as well i guess but even without this thread AMD is killing it right now.

And I truly hope they do kill it - if they figure out their software woes, not only on Radeon part but also the AGESA team and all that - AMD can and will reach the stars.
 
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If you have enough time to tweak/wish -
Then AMD is your choice...
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But overall most people do not want it, they just want to put a CPU in mobo and turn on their computers, you can't blame them for that
That's one of the reasons why I still buy Intel...;)

Nothing wrong with AMD though.
 
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This thread seems to be more focused on "AMD is winning!!!" than the individual characteristics of either CPU?

For the first time ever, we have CPUs with brute performance (Intel's Raptor Lake chips), and CPUs with finesse (AMD's Ryzen X3D), and either approach is valid in my eyes. They'll both game hard, work hard, and take turns taking the crown - that's why they're affordable and not $1000+ each like they used to be when the Core i7 Extreme was the undisputed king.

The i9-14900K and the "14th gen" chips are the lamest thing Intel has ever come up with, but it's a move to save face: the company had no chips to release in 2023. None. This would reflect exceptionally poorly to shareholders which is the sole reason why these exist - they are unchanged vs. 13th gen counterparts, no physical changes whatsoever, no new stepping, they use the same CPUID, microcode, etc. - awarding them the disappointment thing is, IMHO, more than justified. Intel should have called these i5-13650K, i7-13750K and i9-13950K - no one would bat an eye, and they'd get the same coverage here, without the bitter disappointment of a fake generation and the stupidity of gating their APO artificially behind the 14700K and 14900K (it's so blatantly artificial that the app intentionally doesn't boot on my 13900KS - with an APO compatible motherboard and BIOS).

The new SKU with 12 E-cores (i7-14700K), makes the i7 segment more attractive (although not enough to sway people from a 7800X3D IMHO), however, you may find an arguably superior i9-13900KF with the 16 E-cores anyway for a similar price if you don't need the integrated graphics. It's just a complete and total failure by Intel's part, and it's not because the products are bad, it's because marketing is trying trying to sell existing products as something new and consumers are having none of it.

That said, having undisputed kings is undesirable. It's why Nvidia charges so much for their graphics cards (and AMD somehow screws up even when they have good hardware due to their laughably bad, feature incomplete, unoriginal and unstable graphics drivers) and why Intel charged so much for their CPUs before.
This...

CPUs are diversifying, and that's a great thing. There's actual choice now besides a few hundred mhz here or there and perhaps two more cores, or four. Different tools for different jobs, and a satisfying baseline performance characterize them all, really. We've never been in this space before on CPU. Small part of that credit also goes out to Intel, their big little isn't bad at all either, its just not defining the market as much as chiplet and X3D do. Its mostly just another tool for Intel to keep pace. I honestly can't wait for the day Intel and AMD take each other's ideas and run with it.

About the X3D... I think the major achievement it sets for gaming is twofold. First, efficiency. Second, the cache seems to help most especially in the cases where game engines had an achilles heel: providing data quickly enough, getting the logic through the pipe and out again. It elevates the minimums in places where no other CPU can touch them.
 
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And I truly hope they do kill it - if they figure out their software woes, not only on Radeon part but also the AGESA team and all that - AMD can and will reach the stars.
Wow so now the CPUs are not reliable as well. Remind me to look into that while Gaming. You really need to watch the Level 1 video on their visit to AMD. It might change your feelings about them.
 
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Nvidia's main profit margin comes from GPU sales, AMD get revenue elsewhere such as CPU's, including console sales (AMD based ones).
I have had a few issues with drivers and certain games, in general its not that bad, current one I use is stable.

I definitely don't seem to have the issues you have had using 6600 XT, 6900 XTX, 7900 XT.
I have 0 reason to swap to Nvidia other than RT.

In some way I feel like in part, Windows is to blame, unless AMD consoles also suffer the same fate.
AMD stability isnt so much an issue anymore. But they do have their stumbling blocks. The bigger issue with AMD is that when there is an issue, you have to pull their teeth to get a fix. rDNA1's downclocking bug immediately comes to mind. rDNA2 and 3 have been pretty stable, but that's not long enough to cement themselves as having "fixed" their drivers in the minds of most. Their short support cycle compared to nvidia isnt helping.
Wow so now the CPUs are not reliable as well. Remind me to look into that while Gaming. You really need to watch the Level 1 video on their visit to AMD. It might change your feelings about them.
He never mentioned CPU stability, you inserted that strawman yourself so you could one up him.
This thread seems to be more focused on "AMD is winning!!!" than the individual characteristics of either CPU?
TBF this thread started as a junk troll thread that got co-opted by legit discussion. Usually its the other way around.
 
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Wow so now the CPUs are not reliable as well. Remind me to look into that while Gaming. You really need to watch the Level 1 video on their visit to AMD. It might change your feelings about them.

Have you forgotten about the problems with the AM4 platform that affected it well into Zen 3's lifespan? All of these required AGESA updates to be fixed, and AGESA is something that only AMD develops and maintains. Motherboard makers have no involvement, and often they take a lot of flak for something happening that isn't quite their fault. Some of them rather serious, like the USB reset bug, fTPM stutters, or poor memory training? I'm happy that it's fixed now, but AM4 was very rocky throughout most of its lifespan. Thankfully that seems to have afforded AM5 smoother progress but again - it also launched with severe memory training problems, the CPUs required slow training upon boot until AGESA was updated, clock ceiling was lower than what the hardware could truly do because of the training logic problems, etc. - all shrugged off by "35 seconds to boot isnt all that bad" "oh it's DDR5!", neither were the case, just AMD's broken firmware code.

It's gotten bad to the point AMD decided to actually replace AGESA (which is a black box) with an open-source alternative, openSIL, at least it being open source is going to help prevent this in the future:


TBF this thread started as a junk troll thread that got co-opted by legit discussion. Usually its the other way around.

Agreed
 
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Have you forgotten about the problems with the AM4 platform that affected it well into Zen 3's lifespan? All of these required AGESA updates to be fixed, and AGESA is something that only AMD develops and maintains. Motherboard makers have no involvement, and often they take a lot of flak for something happening that isn't quite their fault. Some of them rather serious, like the USB reset bug, fTPM stutters, or poor memory training? I'm happy that it's fixed now, but AM4 was very rocky throughout most of its lifespan.
It is mostly fixed, though it should be noted that some users I have spoken to report that the USB bug is still happening to them even on the latest versions of AGESA. Very rare, to be fair, but I’ve seen the complaints. Which suggests that either the fix is incomplete or there was/is something more to it that’s not on AMD side and instead a fault of MoBo manufacturers. Complaints I’ve seen mostly center around high-end Gigabyte boards and AsRock in general, so YMMV.
 
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Have you forgotten about the problems with the AM4 platform that affected it well into Zen 3's lifespan? All of these required AGESA updates to be fixed, and AGESA is something that only AMD develops and maintains. Motherboard makers have no involvement, and often they take a lot of flak for something happening that isn't quite their fault. Some of them rather serious, like the USB reset bug, fTPM stutters, or poor memory training? I'm happy that it's fixed now, but AM4 was very rocky throughout most of its lifespan. Thankfully that seems to have afforded AM5 smoother progress but again - it also launched with severe memory training problems, the CPUs required slow training upon boot until AGESA was updated, clock ceiling was lower than what the hardware could truly do because of the training logic problems, etc. - all shrugged off by "35 seconds to boot isnt all that bad" "oh it's DDR5!", neither were the case, just AMD's broken firmware code.

It's gotten bad to the point AMD decided to actually replace AGESA (which is a black box) with an open-source alternative, openSIL, at least it being open source is going to help prevent this in the future:




Agreed
I will list my issues with AM4. I bought the Asus Prime X370 and some Corsair Ram. After 3 Mbs I decided to get an As Rock board and was happy but my RAM would not run at 3200 mb/s as listed. When I got 2nd gen I had to replace the RAM as it was Corsair and we know about that so I went with Gskill or Adata I don't remember. That is about it. AM4 is pretty much bullet proof for most users as by the time X570 was released we have had many iterations of the very AGESA updates you mention. Of course it is more nuanced than that.

Now I am on AM5 and have no problem telling anyone how much I enjoy my 7900X3D.
 
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It is mostly fixed, though it should be noted that some users I have spoken to report that the USB bug is still happening to them even on the latest versions of AGESA. Very rare, to be fair, but I’ve seen the complaints. Which suggests that either the fix is incomplete or there was/is something more to it that’s not on AMD side and instead a fault of MoBo manufacturers. Complaints I’ve seen mostly center around high-end Gigabyte boards and AsRock in general, so YMMV.

Once the AGESA update released, I stopped experiencing the issue with my old ROG Strix B550-E. I ran a 5950X CPU with it. I was affected really badly and once the update came, I never had the problem again. Don't think it's mobo manufacturers fault on this one specifically, although USB issues of other natures can cause full bus resets. Here, even my audio card (with an USB controller of its own) would crash until the update shipped.

I will list my issues with AM4. I bought the Asus Prime X370 and some Corsair Ram. After 3 Mbs I decided to get an As Rock board and was happy but my RAM would not run at 3200 mb/s as listed. When I got 2nd gen I had to replace the RAM as it was Corsair and we know about that so I went with Gskill or Adata I don't remember. That is about it. AM4 is pretty much bullet proof for most users as by the time X570 was released we have had many iterations of the very AGESA updates you mention. Of course it is more nuanced than that.

Now I am on AM5 and have no problem telling anyone how much I enjoy my 7900X3D.

By the time X570 released you had all of the aforementioned issues plus the Gen 4 option being made available on incompatible motherboards on earlier AGESA releases, which caused a lot of problems for some people... but yeah, i'm glad you're happy, I ran into just about every problem under the sun with AM4, but to AMD's credit, they were fixed, it's just that it should never really have happened on a production environment.
 
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Hi,
AMD 7k series is a good one to jump on it is my first amd system
So far it's been pretty good for a bloated out of the box lappy
Better now on clean install with most amd utility necessities and needed software
Device manager looks better than any intel system I've installed :laugh:
 
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Then AMD is your choice...
(check out the forums here)..
I know where to check, don't worry, and I know what I'm talking about.
 
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