Games Under-Performing, Unknown Culprit, Proves to be a Challenge

[TwinDenis]

and here is the cpu I guess:

 

[Filip Georgievski]

Culprit found.
Sandy Bridge is newer than my I5 so it should run a 1600 mhz RAM or more.
Try RAM sticks that run at 1600 or more (maybe friends sticks or someone elses).
Definitely you will see improvements.

http://ark.intel.com/m/products/646...GHz-0_0-GTs-Intel-QPI#@product/specifications

See memory spec. 1600 is max.
Even if it does support 1333, using it to game may make it underperform due to slower RAM Memory.

You may work normaly on 1333 mhz for daily apps and maybe something more demanding, but full potencial is never acheved by slower ram.

Note: I even OCed ram to make it perform faster so i can game with more higher settings.

 

[Ruyki]

I know league of legends can run 100% smooth with 800MHz DDR2 RAM and a mechanical hard drive.

 

[Filip Georgievski]

Yes but topic says UNDERPERFORMING.
LOL works on basicly every PC.
It is a MMO game, and it is made to be plsyable for most low to high end systems.

 

[TwinDenis]

Yes but topic says UNDERPERFORMING.
LOL works on basicly every PC.
It is a MMO game, and it is made to be plsyable for most low to high end systems.

Culprit found.
Sandy Bridge is newer than my I5 so it should run a 1600 mhz RAM or more.
Try RAM sticks that run at 1600 or more (maybe friends sticks or someone elses).
Definitely you will see improvements.

http://ark.intel.com/m/products/646...GHz-0_0-GTs-Intel-QPI#@product/specifications

See memory spec. 1600 is max.
Even if it does support 1333, using it to game may make it underperform due to slower RAM Memory.

You may work normaly on 1333 mhz for daily apps and maybe something more demanding, but full potencial is never acheved by slower ram.

Note: I even OCed ram to make it perform faster so i can game with more higher settings.

I cannot borrow one , none really has better ram than me around me so I would need to buy one set, even if I do,I am not sure if it has to be 4kit or 2kit. I cannot find any locals that sell those 4 kits. Besides they are expensive to buy for just an experiment.

 

[Filip Georgievski]

Maybe test it at a local store to see if it makes changes.
Maybe for a test it wont cost much.

 

[TwinDenis]

Maybe test it at a local store to see if it makes changes.
Maybe for a test it wont cost much.

This will not do for me, there is no service doing that. I prefer to spend a bit more money for a kit. question is, 2kit or 4kit of same size (if I buy ram it will be 16gb overall and 1600mhz with latency 7).

 

[Bo$$]

if I buy ram it will be 16gb overall and 1600mhz with latency 7

RAM will always default to the slowest stick in the system both with clock and timings.

just make sure it's as similar as possible

 

[TwinDenis]

RAM will always default to the slowest stick in the system both with clock and timings.

just make sure it's as similar as possible

thing is, should I buy one, is it necessary? if so should it be 4kit or 2kit? What would be more compatible with my xeon? How much least latency?

 

[TwinDenis]

My target for ram (if I need it) would be the one I found on my country's stores:
"
G.SKILL F3-1600C7D-16GTX 16GB (2X8GB) DDR3 PC3-12800 1600MHZ TRIDENTX DUAL CHANNEL KIT
"
This model, would it do? Should I buy it, is it necessary?

 

[thebluebumblebee]

Because of the propritary nature of that motherboard, make sure that any RAM you get is on their approved list.
Moving from 1333 to 1600 is not going to make that much of a difference - I actually wonder if you'd notice a difference.
I thought you were on the right track with heroes of the storm being the culprit. I'd hammer that out before going back to this being a hardware issue.
: You could also use the Internet tools at http://www.dslreports.com/tweaks to see if it's a settings issue.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

Because of the propritary nature of that motherboard, make sure that any RAM you get is on their approved list.
Moving from 1333 to 1600 is not going to make that much of a difference - I actually wonder if you'd notice a difference.
I thought you were on the right track with heroes of the storm being the culprit. I'd hammer that out before going back to this being a hardware issue.
You could also use the Internet tools at http://www.dslreports.com/tweaks to see if it's a settings issue.

I agree with this. Be very careful of supported hardware that every manufacture has a listing of somewhere on their website. Getting faster RAM wont hurt as long as its supported. Also, getting faster RAM means you have a bit more room to mess with its latency on your system. (this assume that supported hardware means its had some sort of testing)

As a long time MMO player (20+ years), I have come to know that the first rule in performance has always been that "Memory is King".

 

[TwinDenis]

I agree with this. Be very careful of supported hardware that every manufacture has a listing of somewhere on their website. Getting faster RAM wont hurt as long as its supported. Also, getting faster RAM mean you have a bit more room to mess with its latency on your system. (supported hardware means its had some sort of testing)

As a long time MMO player (20+ years), I have come to know that the first rule in performance has always been that "Memory is King".

I agree with this. Be very careful of supported hardware that every manufacture has a listing of somewhere on their website. Getting faster RAM wont hurt as long as its supported. Also, getting faster RAM mean you have a bit more room to mess with its latency on your system. (supported hardware means its had some sort of testing)

As a long time MMO player (20+ years), I have come to know that the first rule in performance has always been that "Memory is King".

what if memory is not the issue? can we risk that? lets say I have to know for sure. After testing and seing the requirements of the game, it seems like it should not be the issue, and yes moving to higher mhz wont make a diffrence, but moving to better latency and more ram overall would do, but more memory is only needed on editting because you know, those programs use it as cache for the queued stuff, in after effects it eats up lots of memory, in 3d programs not that much.
So I would only need it if I was doing editting which I dont do. So basically yes, it could be their game (for this game at least).
I mean my latency is cool and internet too, they use some kind of lockstep to sync the client with the other ones, but I thought this applied to stutter when using physx, while I have it disabled,
I also do not have packet loss or anything like that.
I have to figure out a way to fix this for that game, because I dont really own any other, yes I have tried witcher3 but you know, I dont want to play this game and older games work okay.
I guess I have to do a test for offline games again after the configurations I made, but if it is the game's problem and not mine (I contacted blizzard and said I have to check with a technician for hardware issues)
so basically they said its not their game. If it is I need to know how to fix it because not all players have this kind of issue. But this kind of stutter is one of the 2 I experience on my pc, the 2nd one is not smooth motion, kinda like playing with lower frames. I mean the animations feel snappy.
My issue with benchmark is that in the heaven benchmark for example it only seemed to test my graphics card if I am not mistaken.
You can see my results above with pcie gen2 (changed it to 3 with a patch but if you know a way to do it and to make sure it runs as gen3 please let me know).
This may be a long thread but has all the possible solutions complied which I find it very useful for other users with related issues as well.

 

[Filip Georgievski]

Memory to a PC is like Red Bull to a human.
The more you have, the better it is.
But speed of RAM these days is i think more important.
4 GB 2400 mhz is the same as 8 GB 1333 mhz in gaming.
Latency as well. It makes your sistem more responsive in apps, games, etc.
It will make a difference.
About HOTS, well it is an MMO game.
I plsy it with no difference online or offline.
60FPS all the way.
Maxed out.
Ok, try to set the game's affinity to high in task manager, also reset settings to default in game, sometimes this helpes.
Also try running something harder, as i said previously, maybe Witcher 3 or Dying Light, BF 3 and 4, do some testing of other heavier games.
Also you can try WOW, since it is still a preety demanding game, maxed out.
Now that i think about your hardware a little, i was wondering if someone here on TPU are gaming on Xeons and can help you out more about it since is a server CPU, not ment for gaming.

Edit: Forgot to mention. Can you disable HT on that Xeon, run it as a true 4 core CPU. HT doesn't make any difference ingame, and in some cases can run games on a 1 thread (half core) instead if a full single core. Maybe this can be an issue.
Had this similar issue on my old I3 540, dual core, 4 threads.
Games like BF3 and 4 ran great but some games not well optimized ran on 1 thread or half core which cripled the performance.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

Wow. Lets keep it simple here. Stepping up to 16gb is never bad, in fact its probably better for overall gaming, not just the the current games you play, but for future games you might play. Being round MMO's you tend to learn certain things, like what a memory leak is and how it can impact your play experience. That's not what I'm saying your problem is, at all. I dont know what your malfunction is, but since 8gb of memory now is like saying your playing on a Pentium III. You can see my system, its barely average compared to the people I play games with where 64gb memory is the standard, as is, top end cards and water cooling just so they can overclock the crap out of thier systems just for gaming. Also, keep in mind that the developers are not always perfect, sometimes they roll out a patch/update/(whatev), that causes a lot of performance issues.

tl;dr Upgrade your memory to 16 or 32gb.

 

[TwinDenis]

Memory to a PC is like Red Bull to a human.
The more you have, the better it is.
But speed of RAM these days is i think more important.
4 GB 2400 mhz is the same as 8 GB 1333 mhz in gaming.
Latency as well. It makes your sistem more responsive in apps, games, etc.
It will make a difference.
About HOTS, well it is an MMO game.
I plsy it with no difference online or offline.
60FPS all the way.
Maxed out.
Ok, try to set the game's affinity to high in task manager, also reset settings to default in game, sometimes this helpes.
Also try running something harder, as i said previously, maybe Witcher 3 or Dying Light, BF 3 and 4, do some testing of other heavier games.
Also you can try WOW, since it is still a preety demanding game, maxed out.
Now that i think about your hardware a little, i was wondering if someone here on TPU are gaming on Xeons and can help you out more about it since is a server CPU, not ment for gaming.

Edit: Forgot to mention. Can you disable HT on that Xeon, run it as a true 4 core CPU. HT doesn't make any difference ingame, and in some cases can run games on a 1 thread (half core) instead if a full single core. Maybe this can be an issue.
Had this similar issue on my old I3 540, dual core, 4 threads.
Games like BF3 and 4 ran great but some games not well optimized ran on 1 thread or half core which cripled the performance.

Wow. Lets keep it simple here. Stepping up to 16gb is never bad, in fact its probably better for overall gaming, not just the the current games you play, but for future games you might play. Being round MMO's you tend to learn certain things, like what a memory leak is and how it can impact your play experience. That's not what I'm saying your problem is, at all. I dont know what your malfunction is, but since 8gb of memory now is like saying your playing on a Pentium III. You can see my system, its barely average compared to the people I play games with where 64gb memory is the standard, as is, top end cards and water cooling just so they can overclock the crap out of thier systems just for gaming. Also, keep in mind that the developers are not always perfect, sometimes they roll out a patch/update/(whatev), that causes a lot of performance issues.

tl;dr Upgrade your memory to 16 or 32gb.

I already ordered an ssd, should I cancel and order a ram instead?
what if I dont get more ram? In heroes of the storm case for example will it fix the issue? I mean fix it, not make it look a bit better.
In games I get around 60% usage max of ram, more than that it would be stacking programs in my ram cache which is not needed.
Also, should I get the 2kit or 4kit if sometime I can invest in ram?

 

[Ruyki]

I feel bad for you OP. Some of the advice here is misleading.

So I'll help. Not by telling you what the problem since I haven't figured that out.

You see, if I had a hard to pinpoint problem like this I would probably benchmark each individual component and compare results with what I find online. Any discrepancy may help pinpoint the issue. I think you already did the hard drive which turned out to be ok.

 

[m&m's]

4 GB 2400 mhz is the same as 8 GB 1333 mhz in gaming.

Hogwash, complete hogwash. It doesn't make any sense.

8gb of memory now is like saying your playing on a Pentium III
64gb memory is the standard

More bullshits.

@TwinDenis going from 1333MHz to 1600MHz won't make any difference and more RAM won't do anything if you don't exceed 8GB of RAM usage.

Post#70, we can see that your max ram usage was 4.8GB which means that 3.2GB were still available.

EDIT: Install the following drivers: http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/Drivers/DriversDetails?driverId=7R4RM
http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/Drivers/DriversDetails?driverId=NNGMH
http://www.dell.com/support/home/us...precision-t3600&languageCode=EN&categoryId=CS

 

[xorbe]

The advice in this thread is epic crazy. Maybe you just need to change your psu fluid.

 

[TwinDenis]

Hogwash, complete hogwash. It doesn't make any sense.

More bullshits.

@TwinDenis going from 1333MHz to 1600MHz won't make any difference and more RAM won't do anything if you don't exceed 8GB of RAM usage.

Post#70, we can see that your max ram usage was 4.8GB which means that 3.2GB were still available.

EDIT: Install the following drivers: http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/Drivers/DriversDetails?driverId=7R4RM
http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/Drivers/DriversDetails?driverId=NNGMH
http://www.dell.com/support/home/us...precision-t3600&languageCode=EN&categoryId=CS

I had those when I first installed my OS but I did have so much latency I had to switch, but either of them made any difference really. Would I install them again and end up with even more latency spikes, now at least it is balanced out, keep in mind that dell have no up to date drivers, they told me so by phone. They may be compatible but that doesnt mean they are up to date and not conflicting.

The advice in this thread is epic crazy. Maybe you just need to change your psu fluid.

you can see my psu right? over the first 2 pages, check it out.

 

[m&m's]

I had those when I first installed my OS but I did have so much latency I had to switch, but either of them made any difference really. Would I install them again and end up with even more latency spikes, now at least it is balanced out, keep in mind that dell have no up to date drivers, they told me so by phone. They may be compatible but that doesnt mean they are up to date and not conflicting.

Then install this one directly from Intel: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/25016/Network-Adapter-Driver-for-Windows-10

you can see my psu right? over the first 2 pages, check it out.

Do I really have to tell you that there's no fluid in a PSU and that he was mocking the stupid suggestions some people have given you?

 

[TwinDenis]

Then install this one directly from Intel: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/25016/Network-Adapter-Driver-for-Windows-10

Do I really have to tell you that there's no fluid in a PSU and that he was mocking the stupid suggestions some people have given you?

You know that I know, right?
Besides, The unfortunate thing is that I used the intel site driver as well, I have the latest ones now and am not dpc spiking any, its balanced, idle is green, when using something it waves in green and in lots of stuff it goes up to yellow. So I cannot find any more drivers, they are the latest. I installed many versions of the same ones to check on it. Could it be something else? My ISP says my connection is fine by the way, and that I have good ping values for the servers I want to play in.
Also, this was not just a simple camera stutter, that goes for anyone who would say that...

ps: lets keep the facts shall we?
What are the possible causes and what are out of the question as causes?

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

I already ordered an ssd, should I cancel and order a ram instead?
what if I dont get more ram? In heroes of the storm case for example will it fix the issue? I mean fix it, not make it look a bit better.
In games I get around 60% usage max of ram, more than that it would be stacking programs in my ram cache which is not needed.
Also, should I get the 2kit or 4kit if sometime I can invest in ram?

IMO, do both. Get the SSD now, it certainly cant hurt your current woes. Do plan on the memory whenever you can, but only IF you are upgrading, and go for the 16g (2x16gb kit) or 32g (4x8gb kit). Just make sure the memory you want is on the MB's(Dell?) supported hardware list found on their website for your system.

Hogwash, complete hogwash. It doesn't make any sense.

More bullshits.

*clip*

Ah, you missed the jest in my reply there, P3 was a speed deamon!

 

[TwinDenis]

Okay so , I installed my ssd properly, and only the proper drivers and the game, and it stutters again. Your suggestions?

 

[Filip Georgievski]

Congratz on your new SSD. Use it well.
So again the studders apear huh?
So we rule out the SSD.
Ok, again im all about the RAM Memory or the Hyperthreading on the CPU.
The GPU is overkill for this game, so we rule that out. I guess the monitor is good so no fault there.
Maybe try to turn off AA and Ambient in the settings, see if that helps out.
Also try to turn Vsync off and see if that helps.

I did some tests yesterday on this game, just for the sake of this thread, and my system did not make any problems.
Setup at FHD 1920:1080, all maxed out.
Fps stayed at 60, with no stuttering or any other visual problem.
So i tried turning off effects and stuff and still no such problem apeared.
Note that i also have 8GB RAM, but mine runs on 1600 mhz clock, and my I5 750 is overclocked to 3.3.
Now i disabled my OC profile, and restarted, went in game in default mode, RAM at 1333 mhz and CPU on 2.6 ghz and still no stutter.
So by this, i suspect GPU throttling, or maybe, just maybe your MB, since it hasn't many options to tweak your PC, maybe this holds you back, as judging by the Xeon, it may very well be a server board, and that is not very ideal for gaming.