GeForce GTX 400 Series Clock Speeds and Other Details Surface

[jessicafae]

Well last week Charlie at semiaccurate reported that the GTX480 has a TDP of 275watts.
http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/03/12/semiaccurate-wrong-about-nvidia-480gtx-power-use/
There are a huge amount of false leaks out there. We won't really know all the details until the official release and the NDA is lifted.

 

[locoty]

I think it's time for ATI to release 5950. Of course it will smoke 480, price it @500 dollar and you'll get a winner

and i think 5950 will have lower TDP than 480

 

[Binge]

AMD won't need to cut its prices. At these performance/$, the HD 5870 is comfortable at $400, and HD 5850 at $300.

Most e-tailers don't have the 5850 at $300 though. I'm seeing $310-350 for the reference card.

 

[stasdm]

Much ado about nothing!

More than 5% of CUDA cores DOA!
Not very promising start

 

[Binge]

More than 5% of CUDA cores DOA!
Not very promising start

no rumors please?

 

[stasdm]

no rumors please?

That's no rumor - pure calculation (512 CUDA cores in theory, 480 and less in practice)

 

[Sihastru]

All I see is much speculation and a lot more hate. Just wait one more week and see the damn things in action.

I've seen *many* boxes and specification sheets that presented the GTX480 as an 512SP GPU. The full load power consumption is taken from the Quadro/FX line, where things are a bit exaggerated. The consumer variant won't see that number unless you really stress the cards out with a special GPCPU benchmark.

Anyway, since when is so much important how much power a videocard needs at this high-end level? Comparisons with the 5970 are fine, but that card will have CF scaling problems in a lot of games, while the GTX480 will not, since it's just one GPU. There will be some surprises.

As for the *just* 5-10% performance increase over the direct ATI competitors, it's not entirely correct. There are no such figures from real sources, they are invented, and the release drivers will paint a totally different picture if there is even some truth in it. I remember 4870 and 4890 being faster at one time then the GTX260+ and GTX275. That changed after a driver release.

 

[the54thvoid]

All I see is much speculation and a lot more hate. Just wait one more week and see the damn things in action.

I've seen *many* boxes and specification sheets that presented the GTX480 as an 512SP GPU. The full load power consumption is taken from the Quadro/FX line, where things are a bit exaggerated. The consumer variant won't see that number unless you really stress the cards out with a special GPCPU benchmark.

Anyway, since when is so much important how much power a videocard needs at this high-end level? Comparisons with the 5970 are fine, but that card will have CF scaling problems in a lot of games, while the GTX480 will not, since it's just one GPU. There will be some surprises.

As for the *just* 5-10% performance increase over the direct ATI competitors, it's not entirely correct. There are no such figures from real sources, they are invented, and the release drivers will paint a totally different picture if there is even some truth in it. I remember 4870 and 4890 being faster at one time then the GTX260+ and GTX275. That changed after a driver release.

Dude, you're dancing the dance of an Nvidia player. Almost every media source now is saying 480 cores and the TDP of 00W is well documented. True that crossfire doesn't scale well in all games but it does in most of them, especially the AAA titles.

Again, nobody is saying the 5870 is faster but certainly from a price performance hit, it definitely is the better buy. My big thought is can the GTX4xx series power down in idle? The old 200 series did to a good degree so can this beast? If not, i say with purity - it's a piece of steaming shit.
Why so?
A good card must perform well, be run at acceptable noise levels, not spew forth tremendous heat, not consume a tonne of power 24/7 and... be affordable. (which is why the 5970 is not a good card - it's too frickin expensive. Bear in mind you can buy 2 5850's that cost nearly £100 less than most 5970's).

 

[Saakki]

http://twitter.com/sampsa_kurri/status/10723903057 Finnish Muropeople are waiting.

 

[EastCoasthandle]

I believe that the reason why we've seen no solid, verifiable performance results (thinking of the youtube video using an updated version of Heaven 1.1 comes to mind) is that 470/480 can easily be countered by their competitor. But I await benchmark results to see if that's true or not.

http://twitter.com/sampsa_kurri/status/10723903057 Finnish Muropeople are waiting.

Honestly, that's just marketing. In the past he was one of a few people that would leak some results. Even if it was nothing more to say it's faster or not. This time he's just showing us a box. :shadedshu

 

[the54thvoid]

I believe that the reason why we've seen no solid, verifiable performance results (thinking of the youtube video using an updated version of Heaven 1.1 comes to mind) is that 470/480 can easily be countered by their competitor. But I await benchmark results to see if that's true or not.



Honestly, that's just marketing. In the past he would always spring up results. He was one of a few people that would leak some results. Even if it was nothing more to say it's faster or not. This time he's just showing us a box. :shadedshu

No, thats hype. As you allude to, if he leaked results now he'd be off NVs christmas list. They should send a card to semiaccurate.com. That would be lolz.

 

[EastCoasthandle]

Hype= marketing to me. But the gist of it remains the same. He's already performed benchmark results (I'm sure of it) but he's only showing pics of the box. If he was worried about breaking NDA he wouldn't have shown the pic.

 

[nt300]

its kind of dissapointing from an enthusiast point of view. all this waiting and all they provide is 5%.. sometimes 10% but with higher cost.. not worth it.

it'd be nice if after all this time they released something that makes you wanna sell your 5870 for $275 just to make the move back to Nv.

this is not the case this time.

card will prolly be good for cuda aps + gaming but the price isnt justifiable.

"hey screw that red sports car, its 6 months old, buy this new green one.. it might cost more but it goes 5mph faster"

yeah good luck.

Nvidia should have refreshed its current GPU's then maybe around 4 to 6 months from today release a fixed Fermi and not a overpriced Fermi of today thats not much better than HD 5800 series, runs hotter than the fastest card HD 5970 and sucks more power. I think Fermi is broken, IMO.

Nvidia lied again, they say the GTX 480 is the fastest Graphics card ever made, well what about the HD 5970 that puts circles around it

 

[erocker]

Nvidia should have refreshed its current GPU's then maybe around 4 to 6 months from today release a fixed Fermi and not a overpriced Fermi of today thats not much better than HD 5800 series, runs hotter than the fastest card HD 5970 and sucks more power. I think Fermi is broken, IMO.

Nvidia lied again, they say the GTX 480 is the fastest Graphics card ever made, well what about the HD 5970 that puts circles around it

You need to read facts before posting rumor as fact. You have absolutey no proof to back your claims. It's just the same posts over and over again. Your post is broken, IMO. Whatever level these cards compete at, it will be priced accordingly.

*Btw, inside sources claim the heatpipes are filled with awesomesauce so cooling won't be a problem.

 

[nt300]

This is from TechPowerUp I thought we already know about this NVIDIA claim with picture?
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 Reference Design Card Final Design Pictured
Thursday, March 18 2010
http://www.techpowerup.com/117826/N...erence_Design_Card_Final_Design_Pictured.html

Point is ATI or Nvidia shoud not make claims like this, but we all know its for marketing.

 

[erocker]

This is from TechPowerUp I thought we already know about this NVIDIA claim with picture?
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 Reference Design Card Final Design Pictured
Thursday, March 18 2010
http://www.techpowerup.com/117826/N...erence_Design_Card_Final_Design_Pictured.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/img/10-03-18/102a.jpg

Less than 300W. That could be anywhere from 1 - 299 watts. Plus, that picture doesn't back up anything you said in your previous post.

There is fact, there is fiction and then there are marketing slides.

 

[epicfail]

Less than 300W. That could be anywhere from 1 - 299 watts.

well i would think they would put <250 if it would be under 250 just to make it seem better, they wouldnt put under 300 if it was 240 they would want to make it seem to take the less power possible

 

[nt300]

Less than 300W. That could be anywhere from 1 - 299 watts. Plus, that picture doesn't back up anything you said in your previous post.

Oh you are refering to when I say "runs hotter than the fastest card HD 5970 and sucks more power" Sorry, I was just blabbering on. But I think we all have to agree for a single GPU the Fermi does run quite hot.

 

[erocker]

But I think we all have to agree for a single GPU the Fermi does run quite hot.

I can assume, but I can't agree since nobody knows. Maybe that cooler they designed works well. We really don't know. If it's hot, it's hot, but if it's hot and works well and there's headroom, it's fine. In the end, it just has to work well and everything else won't matter.

 

[nt300]

I can assume, but I can't agree since nobody knows. Maybe that cooler they designed works well. We really don't know. If it's hot, it's hot, but if it's hot and works well and there's headroom, it's fine. In the end, it just has to work well and everything else won't matter.

Yes agree.
HD 5970 we know is Maximum board power: 294 Watts and Idle board power: 51 Watts. According to a few sites the 480 is 250W min and 300W max. This is new today.
http://www.techspot.com/news/38297-Nvidia-GeForce-GTX-480-and-470-specs-emerge.html

 

[KainXS]

480 @ 700 MHz GPU, shader domain @ 1401 MHz and 924 MHz (actual, 1848 MHz DDR, 3700 MHz effective) memory. Board power @ 295W
470 @ 607 MHz GPU, shader domain @ 1215 MHz and 837 MHz (actual, 1674 MHz DDR, 3348 MHz effective) memory. Board power @ 225w

Difference between the 480 and 470 is 2 clusters disabled (is that right?) and clock frequencies (sub: 2 memory chips per btarunr). The board power difference of 70w indicates some leakage issues IMO. Also, I am not to sure about the 480's overclock ability. It appears to be close to maxing out IMO. But we will see once the reviews of the retail product are out to know what it's overclock potential really is. As for the 470, there appears to be a huge amount of overclock potential. It may match the 480. But again we have to wait for reviews and hopefully user results.

the difference is 1 cluster 1 rop partition and 1 memory controller

 

[kaosII]

Call me with some benchmarks.
And remember the most important thing in a piss-match.---Don't cross the streams!!!!!!

 

[DirectorC]

Lol, code 18 here

Oh yeah, I must have done something wrong while clicking Next through the driver installation.

 

[nt300]

Call me with some benchmarks.
And remember the most important thing in a piss-match.---Don't cross the streams!!!!!!

I want to see real world gaming benchmarks. Gaming is where what the GPU is used for

 

[imperialreign]

Thing is - no matter how well these cards will run when they are released, I'm fairly certain there will be a quick follow-up from ATI . . . if these cards knock the 5870 around too much.

ATI has been very quiet the last few months, and there've been rumor of cherry picking and a possible 5890 long before the 5970s release. It wouldn't surprise me at all if ATI is merely biding their time on release . . . they tend to do that even more-so when they have other potential cards ready in waiting.