GeForce RTX 3060 Already Hits Second-Hand Market as NVIDIA Sours the Milk for Miners

[mechtech]

"(USD $1,080) a piece"

wow I thought mid-range was $250-$350??

 

[ThrashZone]

Again, it makes perfect sense, but it's still worrying, as it means that gamers will be left without graphics cards until bitcoin prices stabilise.

Hi,
Builders are screwed
Gamers probably already have cards they just can't impulsively buy new ones for a reasonable price.

 

[AusWolf]

"(USD $1,080) a piece"

wow I thought mid-range was $250-$350??

It looks to me like there isn't a mid-range, or any range anymore. Just graphics cards. If you want one, you need to know people who know people, and then pay the price.

Or you can buy a GT 710. Those are still in legit stock.

Hi,
Builders are screwed
Gamers probably already have cards they just can't impulsively buy new ones for a reasonable price.

I know several people who have been waiting for stock for more than half a year. I managed to pinch one of the last 5700 XTs on sale back in November, but it's more of an isolated case of luck than anything else.

 

[Chrispy_]

gtx 1060 launch - $249 at retail
rtx 2060 launch - $349 at retail
rtx 3060 launch - $499 at retail

Not buying until $449 buys a notably faster card than our $449 gtx 1070 ti from 2017. Will a GTX 3050 be faster than a 1070 Ti? Seems like perf/$ has stalled for years now.

This is the right attitude to take.

Don't buy stuff just because you've been bombarded by advertising. If your $449 1070Ti is still competitive with other products at that price level, don't buy anything.

 

[Rob94hawk]

all miners should get shot

Nah. That's letting them off easy. Do something worse. Brick all their graphics cards.

 

[mechtech]

Nah. That's letting them off easy. Do something worse. Brick all their graphics cards.

lol

Well i've said before, they should hard lock them in bios and trying to flash would brick the cards. If they hard lock them in bios and make them more like workstation cards at workstation prices, then that would be more acceptable since they are a for profit device.

Seems chips are in tighter supply than power in Texas is

 

[Chrispy_]

"(USD $1,080) a piece"

wow I thought mid-range was $250-$350??

I think mid-range jumped from $250 to $325 because the corrupt orange golfing gorilla antagonised the Chinese, who slapped a 25% export tariff on everything in retaliation. Add your 25%, multiply by 2% a year for 30 months of inflation and you pretty much get to $325 exactly.

 

[ThrashZone]

It looks to me like there isn't a mid-range, or any range anymore. Just graphics cards. If you want one, you need to know people who know people, and then pay the price.

Or you can buy a GT 710. Those are still in legit stock.


I know several people who have been waiting for stock for more than half a year. I managed to pinch one of the last 5700 XTs on sale back in November, but it's more of an isolated case of luck than anything else.

Hi,
I've waited "I forget how long" I skipped 20 series lol
It's actually easy to wait now only problem would be if one of mine dies then it would be a problem.

 

[Chrispy_]

Hi,
I've waited "I forget how long" I skipped 20 series lol
It's actually easy to wait now only problem would be if one of mine dies then it would be a problem.

The real question for a lot of people is "what new games have come out since the 3000-series launch that necessitate buying a new GPU?"

CP2077 was big, bold, and buggy. The smart move if you're not desperate to play it, no matter what, is to wait until at least the DLC comes out.

Most of the popular stuff on PC right now plays well on an old GTX 960 and we've not really seen enough new AAA titles that push hardware enough to justify buying anything right now. Getting hold of a PS5 or XBSX is almost as hard as getting hold of a new GPU so the overwhelming majority of gamers are still on last-gen consoles and last-gen graphics cards. That is the audience game developers are targeting - the overwhelming majority.

 

[ThrashZone]

The real question for a lot of people is "what new games have come out since the 3000-series launch that necessitate buying a new GPU?"

CP2077 was big, bold, and buggy. The smart move if you're not desperate to play it, no matter what, is to wait until at least the DLC comes out.

Most of the popular stuff on PC right now plays well on an old GTX 960.

Hi,
Yeah most the hype of rtx is just silly but nvidia started it saying just buy it when 20 series came out lol
Then of course a crapload of the 20 series were dropping like flies
But yeah I got a 150.us evga B stock 980ti to hold me over for a while until things cool off.

I'd love to upgrade but I'm not paying stupid prices.

 

[Pumper]

nvidia should quit the GPU retail business and just go straight to using all their manufacturing capacity to build their own giant crypto mining farm. Gamers would see 0 difference, but at least the fucking miners and scalpers would eat shit.

 

[AusWolf]

The real question for a lot of people is "what new games have come out since the 3000-series launch that necessitate buying a new GPU?"

CP2077 was big, bold, and buggy. The smart move if you're not desperate to play it, no matter what, is to wait until at least the DLC comes out.

Most of the popular stuff on PC right now plays well on an old GTX 960 and we've not really seen enough new AAA titles that push hardware enough to justify buying anything right now. Getting hold of a PS5 or XBSX is almost as hard as getting hold of a new GPU so the overwhelming majority of gamers are still on last-gen consoles and last-gen graphics cards. That is the audience game developers are targeting - the overwhelming majority.

Depends on what you mean by popular stuff, also depends on what you mean by plays well... Just because 60 FPS on low in Fortnite is good enough for you, it doesn't mean that it's good enough for everyone. It also doesn't mean that everybody cares about Fortnite. It also doesn't mean that everybody has a GTX 960 level graphics card.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

nvidia should quit the GPU retail business and just go straight to using all their manufacturing capacity to build their own giant crypto mining farm. Gamers would see 0 difference, but at least the fucking miners and scalpers would eat shit.

Genius comedy fix, it really is a shame that's unlikely.

 

[mechtech]

I think mid-range jumped from $250 to $325 because the corrupt orange golfing gorilla antagonised the Chinese, who slapped a 25% export tariff on everything in retaliation. Add your 25%, multiply by 2% a year for 30 months of inflation and you pretty much get to $325 exactly.

Indeed. However I live in Canada, but as the case being the next door neighbour, usually get dinged by association

 

[Zubasa]

I think mid-range jumped from $250 to $325 because the corrupt orange golfing gorilla antagonised the Chinese, who slapped a 25% export tariff on everything in retaliation. Add your 25%, multiply by 2% a year for 30 months of inflation and you pretty much get to $325 exactly.

Orange man bad is just an excuse for the South Cal bigtech companies to raise their prices regardless. The rest of the world have been "enjoying" the price hike well before any of the tariffs happened. Also, graphics cards were always more expensive in China and Taiwan where they are made, and this is true even today.
I am still patiently "waiting" for that $999 msrp on the 2080Ti.

 

[Chrispy_]

Indeed. However I live in Canada, but as the case being the next door neighbour, usually get dinged by association

The whole world gets dinged by association because Nvidia and AMD are US firms and all of their production partners are reliant on supply from China.

Depends on what you mean by popular stuff, also depends on what you mean by plays well... Just because 60 FPS on low in Fortnite is good enough for you, it doesn't mean that it's good enough for everyone. It also doesn't mean that everybody cares about Fortnite. It also doesn't mean that everybody has a GTX 960 level graphics card.

I haven't played Fortnite in years, but I think you're out of touch with how well older hardware will run popular esports titles:

Competitive settings (max draw distance) at 1080p runs at 150-200fps, not 60; You're out by a factor of three! Medium settings are at 90-120fps, and high settings are hovering around 60fps.

It's not just Fortnite - everything on this list will run well on a GTX 960.

I'm obviously not saying that 4K120 Ultra settings is going to be attainable on older hardware, but I think the baseline for "runs well" is, when taken with a bit of common-sense context, going to be considered 1080p60 with at least medium settings so that you're getting the majority of the eye-candy the developers included. It's all subjective and varies from game to game but usually a mix of medium/high settings gets you image quality that requires side-by-side screenshot comparisons with ultra settings in order to pick out the differences between the two. Apex Legends is probably the hardest thing on that list to run and 1080p60 medium is 55-60fps, certainly tweakable to reach 60fps at all times without dropping down to low settings.

Personally, I've never owned a GTX 960, though I had a 960m at one point. I just picked it because it's an incredibly common card and also happens to be similar in performance to the 1050 series which are by far the most popular cards at the moment, assuming you take the literal definition of "popular" and "card". Consider also that Nvidia have actually restarted production of the GP107 that powers the 1050 series to make more of them!

 

[AusWolf]

The whole world gets dinged by association because Nvidia and AMD are US firms and all of their production partners are reliant on supply from China.


I haven't played Fortnite in years, but I think you're out of touch with how well older hardware will run popular esports titles:

Competitive settings (max draw distance) at 1080p runs at 150-200fps, not 60; You're out by a factor of three! Medium settings are at 90-120fps, and high settings are hovering around 60fps.

It's not just Fortnite - everything on this list will run well on a GTX 960.

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I'm obviously not saying that 4K120 Ultra settings is going to be attainable on older hardware, but I think the baseline for "runs well" is, when taken with a bit of common-sense context, going to be considered 1080p60 with at least medium settings so that you're getting the majority of the eye-candy the developers included. It's all subjective and varies from game to game but usually a mix of medium/high settings gets you image quality that requires side-by-side screenshot comparisons with ultra settings in order to pick out the differences between the two. Apex Legends is probably the hardest thing on that list to run and 1080p60 medium is 55-60fps, certainly tweakable to reach 60fps at all times without dropping down to low settings.

Personally, I've never owned a GTX 960, though I had a 960m at one point. I just picked it because it's an incredibly common card and also happens to be similar in performance to the 1050 series which are by far the most popular cards at the moment, assuming you take the literal definition of "popular" and "card". Consider also that Nvidia have actually restarted production of the GP107 that powers the 1050 series to make more of them!

The popularity list is an interesting thing to argue with. The top 5 are always online shooters, which I've never cared about, nor have any of my friends. On the technical side of things, these games are made to milk the masses (children with low-mid grade PCs and laptops?), not for enthusiast gamers to enjoy (no offense). Therefore, they are never going to need more than a middle class graphics card a few generations back by design. My and my friends' taste in games is one thing, but I disagree with the argument saying "you don't need more than a GTX 960 for gaming" based on the intentionally low hardware requirement of such massively popular titles.

As for the GTX 960 on its own merits: my brother is still using one. It would be a neat little card for his ancient 1280x1024 monitor, if not for the 2 GB VRAM which makes almost every new game stutter massively whenever it runs out of frame buffer. I know, 4 GB variants exist too, but they've always been rare and expensive, not to mention even those are a bit underpowered for higher resolutions than his. I still own a 1050 Ti as a spare card, which is basically a 4 GB 960 in terms of its performance. It's not bad for esport/older titles, but I wouldn't say you don't need more for modern single player games.

 

[Nikolas_43]

Ooh, interesting information. I recently saw a similar video card in another store https://emall.by/category/4356. Only there the prices were not inflated. It looks like the mining issue is really affecting the graphics card market. Do you think such hash rate limiters solve this problem?

 

[Chrispy_]

Ох, интересная информация. Недавно видел подобную видеокарту в другом магазине https://emall.by/category/4356 . Только там цены не были завышены. Похоже, проблема майнинга действительно влияет на рынок видеокарт. Считаете ли вы, что такие ограничители скорости хэширования решат эту проблему?

Hey, welcome to TPU - but you need to translate back to English if you post anything!