GIGABYTE Z390 OC Guide Suggests Intel 9000 Series Processors Will Run Hot Even With Custom Watercooling

[R-T-B]

Gigabyte's motherboards are subpar - even their "high end" - for a really long time and they do not seem to get better at all,
i just advice friends to avoid them altogether.

Their bios is certainly somewhat poor. Some of their upper tier motherboards are actually the best in the VRM department though, so I would not call them "subpar" there.

 

[champsilva]

Are you kidding?! Gigabyte is one of the best motherboard manufacturers in the World together with MSI and ASUS and i'm talking professionally. Working with these companies since early 2000 and only these 3 are solid. All the other brand except EVGA are a joke compared. In thousands and thousands of Gigabyte motherboards only 2 of them had some problems and i repeat "some" because they still work.

No, im not kidding, i rather choose Asus instead of Gigabyte. Btw Asrock is a smaller company and does more quality boards than Gigabyte, that's my opinion.

 

[RH92]

Reaching 90+°C with custom loop at 1,3 - 1,4V while being soldered ..... yeah that's what i call some high tech space heater . Are you serious Intel ? Man that Zen 2 is going to do alot of damage !

 

[Deleted member 178884]

Funny all the hate on gigabyte here, I've got gigabyte boards running 24/7 for the past 8 years here, I've sold them off though and they still worked flawlessly - I've only decided to go with the x299 gaming carbon despite msi being dog poo at motherboards.

No, im not kidding, i rather choose Asus instead of Gigabyte.

Fanboy? Wow, that's sad. I actually buy stuff that meets my needs and it's usually gigabyte ticking all the boxes - especially with the z270x gaming 7 to replace my crappy z170 msi board with vdroop.

 

[champsilva]

Funny all the hate on gigabyte here, I've got gigabyte boards running 24/7 for the past 8 years here, I've sold them off though and they still worked flawlessly - I've only decided to go with the x299 gaming carbon despite msi being dog poo at motherboards.


Fanboy? Wow, that's sad. I actually buy stuff that meets my needs and it's usually gigabyte ticking all the boxes - especially with the z270x gaming 7 to replace my crappy z170 msi board with vdroop.

I can't deny, i'm a Asrock fanboy, cause they board are honest. I already had Gigabytes, Asuses, Asrocks and other mobos...

 

[Deleted member 178884]

i'm a Asrock fanboy, cause they board are honest.

Sorry but that's BS pretty much all board manufacturers have spilled a few lies here and there INCLUDING asrock.
ASRock over Asus though and I think ASRock and Gigabyte are the top two but Asus wins it in the absolute premium boards

 

[champsilva]

Sorry but that's BS pretty much all board manufacturers have spilled a few lies here and there INCLUDING asrock.
ASRock over Asus though and I think ASRock and Gigabyte are the top two but Asus wins it in the absolute premium boards

Sad.

 

[Deleted member 178884]

Sad.

It's how it is unfortunately - manufacturers will sneak lies in to grab sales after all competition is tough with the amount of motherboard companies out there, shame the laptop market is locked to greedy OEMs and BGA crap.

 

[Shatun_Bear]

7nm Ryzen is going to make this thing look like a hot and power hungry relic.

9900K first mainstream high-end processor where it's recommended you have a custom water loop if you plan to overclock it. Crazy.

 

[Tomgang]

Come on intel now soldered and still above 90 C at that voltage with custom water loop. Its scary to think of what the temp would be if these things still used the cheap intel "toothpaste" or TIM. I am not impressed.

Just for at refference and yes i know its long from the same CPU or arkitekture. But stll, my own old I7 980X @ 4.43 GHz feed with 1.41 volt to the cores and only air cooled (Noctua NH-D14 with 3 120 fans mounted) the hottest core gets 81 degrees celsius at peak full load and my CPU is even 130 watt TPD out of box and based on much older 32 NM. I9 9900K is only 95 TDP out of box and based on 14 NM + custom water loop and Arent lower NM CPU´s suppose to run cooler than CPU made on older and bigger NM die. Yet the darn thing still runs way hotter even with much lower voltage at 1.3 volts according to the readings in the software in the screenshot and a custom water loop it gets up to 96 degrees celsius on the hotest core. Intel you can do it better than this, if you wanted to

Temp on my CPU to compare.

 

[Deleted member 178884]

Come on intel now soldered and still above 90 C at that voltage with custom water loop. Its scary to think of what the temp would be if these things still used the cheap intel "toothpaste" or TIM. I am not impressed.

Just for at refference and yes i know its long from the same CPU or arkitekture. But stll, my own old I7 980X @ 4.43 GHz feed with 1.41 volt to the cores and only air cooled (Noctua NH-D14 with 3 120 fans mounted) the hottest core gets 81 degrees celsius at peak full load and my CPU is even 130 watt TPD out of box and based on much older 32 NM. I9 9900K is only 95 TDP out of box and based on 14 NM + custom water loop and Arent lower NM CPU´s suppose to run cooler than CPU made on older and bigger NM die. Yet the darn thing still runs way hotter even with much lower voltage at 1.3 volts according to the readings in the software in the screenshot and a custom water loop it gets up to 96 degrees celsius on the hotest core. Intel you can do it better than this, if you wanted to

Temp on my CPU to compare.

That's an odd comparison - you are forgetting a few things here:
Size - that cpu has 1366 pins vs the lga 1151 - I've owned a z170 and multiple x58 boards - the size difference is pretty large meaning heat becomes confined easier, your also forgetting this is a 8c16t processor at 5ghz - so crazy power usage is normal and high heat output, but yes. The thermals aren't great at all - but that was a ES processor used the finalized one would be better.

 

[Tomgang]

That's an odd comparison - you are forgetting a few things here:
Size - that cpu has 1366 pins vs the lga 1151 - I've owned a z170 and multiple x58 boards - the size difference is pretty large meaning heat becomes confined easier, your also forgetting this is a 8c16t processor at 5ghz - so crazy power usage is normal and high heat output, but yes. The thermals aren't great at all - but that was a ES processor used the finalized one would be better.

Pins have nothing to do with heat, more like surface area to absorb heat. X58 chips are bigger than LGA 1151, but X58 is also a much older CPU based on older 32 NM that shut run hotter than 14 NM and yes the new chip has 8 cores, but mine has 6 older core on a bigger die that will divelope more heat pr. core as well. For not to mentien that at the give clock and voltage i am giving my old CPU, it consumes just as mush watt if not more. Its old and less efficient. If i shut come with guess, i will say my CPU as it rus now it can consume 250 watt or more then at max load.

 

[Jism]

It's the small surface which is much harder to cool compared to a chip which has a bigger surface (i.e larges proces).

Amd is thermal-balancing their chips by placing multiple dies on one package. This distributes the heat even better on IHS'es compared to intel.

 

[R-T-B]

Amd is thermal-balancing their chips by placing multiple dies on one package.

On threadripper sure. Not all their stuff though.

 

[Deleted member 178884]

On threadripper sure. Not all their stuff though.

Agreed, but people forget zen is soldered and larger than lga 1151 cpus - they are much smaller and harder to cool.

 

[R-T-B]

Agreed, but people forget zen is soldered and larger than lga 1151 cpus - they are much smaller and harder to cool.

I'm curious if that really is true for the 9900k vs a Ryzen. Unsure honestly.

 

[las]

Gigabyte's motherboards are subpar - even their "high end" - for a really long time and they do not seem to get better at all,
i just advice friends to avoid them altogether.

I'll never touch a gigabyte board again, their software (both uefi and windows) is horrible

7nm Ryzen is going to make this thing look like a hot and power hungry relic.

9900K first mainstream high-end processor where it's recommended you have a custom water loop if you plan to overclock it. Crazy.

Please stop spreading lies. I've already seen 9900K run stock using a cheap 212 Evo. You'll see soon enough. You're probably in denial tho.
Seriously, why do people think these new 8 cores run hot? Solder makes a huge difference in the 4.8+ GHz range temp wise.

All this 7nm Ryzen talk, haha. It's not even close and people expect way too much.

 

[John Naylor]

Still puzzled as to why why this is a surpise .... with Sandy Bridge many enthusiast gamers were buying 2600k's and turning off HT ... result 7C drop in temperature and 0.2 GHz OC boost.

 

[bobhumplick]

gigabyte aorus pro z390, 5ghz, 1.28v cache 4.7 tjmax set at 85c and it never throttles....on an air cooler. draws the same power as my old 8700k at 5.1gh 1.315v in cinebench. pretty good chip. but if you get a bad one just go 5ghz with a -1 avx offset and get the voltage as low as possible and youll be good. i know this is an old article and so are the comments but the chips turned out decently cool (much cooler on z390 though) and gigabyte turned out to be the best board to use. odd how things turned out

 

[Enterprise24]

That screenshot is not good to follow. P95 new version and probably small FFT ? 191-195A current combined with that temp is extremely dangerous for 9900K.
Intel give 193A for maximum current and that is NOT for sustained run.
They should use more real world test. P95 26.6 1344K or ASUS realbench is very good test. No overkill current and temperature. Also great for reflecting real world heavy programs.

 

[GWComputers]

I do think he was not refering to breakdown chance of a motherboard.
He's talking about VRM design.

Well he might also not be correct, because gigabyte has really nice VRM boards here and there in every generation. And i must say, every manufacturer does too.
They all have crap motherboards and good motherboards.

The new GB Z390 boards going up from Elite have a decent VRM design because they are not just doubling the count of components (as in fake phases), they are actually using smart doublers.
The same cannot be told about Master board, it has a doubler, but it's not smart. In anyway, Z390 GB boards are almost 12 phases. Almost is because it's not true 12 phase but doubled 6, but it's arguably better than true 8 phase.

The only thing i am dissapointed about GB is that they did not use ISL99227 power stages as they did with their Z370 gaming 7 board.
They would have zero problems passively cooling the VRM even with the i9-9900k.

ISL99227 are being used in AsRock Z390 phantom gaming ITX tho, which is awesome, but low phase count will have harder time running big guys.

Agree but I was mostly referring to his comment about "discarding the Gigabyte brand from it's choices" the VRM doubling is an old trick that all of the manufacturers used to do. This means humans are bastards lol.