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I feel like games graphics wise have stopped drastically improving like they did in the past, so changes look every incremental and barely noticeable and that makes you doubt the entire progress in the industry.

Crysis in 2007 (15 year ago!) was something to behold. It was so forward-looking, it was jaw dropping. Nowadays? RT reflections, lighting, shadows? Barely noticeable except for certain scenes. Baked-in lighting has become so good to the point RT effects are hard to find and perceive.

At the same times games continue to lack
  • Proper physics and real world simulation, including collision detection and prevention. In 2022 all games feature clipping of everything with everything, most things feel massless, water is still horrible to look at.
  • Animation is still horrible.
  • AI is nowhere to be found.
  • Where's grass? Has anyone seen games where there's actual grass, not something which looks like horrible 2D sprites?
  • Where's destruction? Red Faction did it over a decade ago and we've had nothing similar so far despite CPUs and GPUs being 50-5000 times faster vs. their counterparts back then.
  • 3D audio? Where has it gone?
Better textures, higher fps, 4K, etc. all look gimmicky to me.
I agree with this whole bottom of this qoute. Do you think they need to do a Physic part like they have done with DXR & raytracing, where anyone can suppport it. I would love to see Microsoft out right buy physX from nvidia & make an stanrd to impliment &, make it more useable in DX12. As of right now having Anytype of physX is premently locked to cpu only in DX12, wich is very boring imo.
 
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I feel like games graphics wise have stopped drastically improving like they did in the past, so changes look every incremental and barely noticeable and that makes you doubt the entire progress in the industry.
I definitely think that was part of the excitement. Back in the 90's huge and meaningful jumps in hardware ended up being linked to the avalanche of creativity where it was virtually impossible to keep on top of new IP (even entire new genres being created, eg, FPS, RTS) yet regular hardware upgrades were a must to play new games. Compare say 1977 vs 1987 vs 1997 vs 2007 vs 2017 a decade apart and with only a few exceptions games play exactly the same now (inc AI) as 15 years ago, MOAR GPU is needed more for running endless sequels / remakes of the same old 90s-2000 decade franchises at higher resolutions than making games better (or simply making new games). It's like "OMG I need that 486DX2 for (insert over 300 titles in the space of just 2-3 years that weren't remakes of 80's stuff), take my money!" turned into "well I guess that headroom might come in handy if I upgrade to 4k for Call of Duty 721 or Far Cry 19, in the mean-time I'll just finish clearing this relatively undemanding backlog whilst I wait for Square Enix to get over their NFT addiction BS and start remembering how to make decent new single player AAA games again like the Eidos they acquired managed to do 20 years ago..." :rolleyes:
 
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I think the pricing structure of every GPU recent release has been too exciting and is the only reason I've stuck with my 1080ti as long as I have -- longer than any other videocard previously.
 
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I feel like games graphics wise have stopped drastically improving like they did in the past, so changes look every incremental and barely noticeable and that makes you doubt the entire progress in the industry.

Crysis in 2007 (15 year ago!) was something to behold. It was so forward-looking, it was jaw dropping. Nowadays? RT reflections, lighting, shadows? Barely noticeable except for certain scenes. Baked-in lighting has become so good to the point RT effects are hard to find and perceive.

At the same times games continue to lack
  • Proper physics and real world simulation, including collision detection and prevention. In 2022 all games feature clipping of everything with everything, most things feel massless, water is still horrible to look at.
  • Animation is still horrible.
  • AI is nowhere to be found.
  • Where's grass? Has anyone seen games where there's actual grass, not something which looks like horrible 2D sprites?
  • Where's destruction? Red Faction did it over a decade ago and we've had nothing similar so far despite CPUs and GPUs being 50-5000 times faster vs. their counterparts back then.
  • 3D audio? Where has it gone?
Better textures, higher fps, 4K, etc. all look gimmicky to me.

Recently the first game that actually gave me that wow feeling was the new Plague Tale Requiem, at some parts of the game it really did look amazing and felt like a real next gen title. 'my hardware definitely agreed with that.. :laugh:'
But yes we don't really have crazy jumps like what Crysis did at its relase, the upcoming Unreal Engine 5 games might do something about that in the near future.

To be honest we already reached a point where really good graphics are possible and games should focus on being ahem generally better in other aspects.
Some old ass games have better AI/destruction than new games. 'Currently playing FEAR 1 and the AI is better than in most new FPS games, and then we had the Red Faction games with better destruction than most if not all modern games'

RT is a hit and miss currently I would say, ever since I have a RT capable card I've been toying around with it and in some games it does look pretty damn good but then some other RT options are like meh I can barely notice so for now it really depends on the game/implementation.
 
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If the Moore's law is already dead, then soon there will be no new generations at all. Come TSMC N3 node maybe in 2 years for graphics cards, then we don't even know if "2 nm" and "1 nm" will work or will be failures like Intel's 10 nm process. Actually this was the first sign of the beginning of the end.
No worries, consumers really aren't the smartest cookies. Put in an "exclusive super-duper groundbreaking feature" and presto, you have a selling point for the next generation. Ray tracing seems to be such a gimmick, very little practical impact but marketing can make a lot of noise and use it as a selling point. There's a lot of it in smartphone world, new generations are sold on software gimmicks (just look at the new Pixels) because the hardware peaked a while ago.
 
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To me, launches aren't exciting in general. It's not just the price, but also the fact that I don't even need the upgrade as I'm happy with 1080p. Bigger hardware is for bigger resolutions nowadays. With that said, I've just picked up a 7700X and a 6750 XT, both of which run very hot, so my project for the next week or so will be finding the perfect settings to tame these beats. After I'm done, I definitely won't upgrade in the next 5 or so years.
 
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Improved AI could help so much to immerse players in the world.

I have the feeling AI development was dropped when some game studios discovered that they could simply add mulitplayer to games that once were a single player domains and that did hurt the whole industry.
 
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To be honest I've been feeling this for awhile but would like to see what other people think on the topic.

For me, GPU launches are no longer exciting and there are multiple reasons for that.

First is the price of cards at initial launch of a new series. With the 4090 at $1,600 and the 7900 XTX at $1,000 these cards are not really appealing. AMD's option is just barely within what I'd consider but then I look over at my 1080 Ti and consider if this card provides $300 more worth of value now then compared to my 1080 Ti when I first purchased it. The answer is definitely no. It doesn't just extend to the 1080 Ti though, most of my prior GPUs provided more at the time I got them. 7970 Ghz, 4850, 980 Ti. Money is not the issue, just on principle I feel these prices are too much. The 7900 XT is also an initial launch card but with the amount of resources that got cut the $900 price tag is quite clearly designed to upsell people.

Which moves me onto my 2nd gripe: GPUs, their prices, and their launch dates are now all precisely engineered to extract maximum value from customers (not that this didn't happen before but not to the current extent). No longer are we getting good value cards that push your dollar as far as possible. Instead we get GPU's priced to provide just enough performance to justify the cost and of course only released after Nvidia / AMD are sure they'd pushed as many people as possible to buy a more expensive GPU. I remember when the 970 was launched with the 980 when the 900 series was released. GPU tiers are priced to encourage upselling, which has seen the price of many of the lower tier SKUs increase and some higher tier cards be more expensive then they should. The 4080 (both 16 and 12GB variants) and the 7900 XT are perfect examples of this. The price of the 4080 (both variants) is appalling and the 7900 XT should be $799 to $850 at the absolute most. We might as well only be getting flagship parts because that's what these prices are designed to sell.

Last, the lack care for customers. Both these companies tout being pro-gamer and pro-consumer but their actions are almost always in opposition to their words. AMD and Nvidia are competing on architecture but when it comes to pricing they act more like a cartel, carefully crafting prices so as to not ruin GPU 64% margins or maintain the status quo set by the other. When was the last time the GPU market had a good value GPU? The 10000 series, which was a long time ago and that's considering the caveat that the 10000 series too was a price increase. Nvidia attempted to appeal to gamers during the pandemic by creating LHR cards (which it ruined by "accidentally" releasing drivers that got around that) or making dedicated mining cards which were supposed to relieve the pressure on gaming cards. It did not of course, it just gave miners dedicated supply while ensuring those cards cannot be resold to gamers, thus increasing future revenue. Instead of the market catering to customers, it has become a set of mind games to manipulate customers.

That all leads me to question how much customers are willing to sacrifice for the latest and greatest. I ask myself how much graphics power do I really need when it comes at the cost of something greater then just money.


As a side point, IMO this is bad for the PC platform in general. Having accessibly priced computers is absolutely essential to maintain the platform's numbers and highly priced GPUs do not help.

YESSSSS!!!

[gaming perspective] Precisely my thoughts... 2000 series, 3000 series and then the rediculous 4090 flagship pocketpick.... AMDs now at it too. With all the inflated rubbish flying around, i "forcefully" convinced myself to stick with a $800/£800 ceiling for my next GPU upgrade... not a dollar/pound more [LITERALLY]. Even £800 is silly money for a gaming GPU but some silliness is ok if it gets me my desired performance target in select titles. IMO, both AMD and NVIDIA can stick their lubricated $900/$1000 and $1200/$1600 cards up their own backside... i refuse to be a profit tallying statistic, one which funds this type of consumer exploitation.

What can I say, i'm an optimist.... i'm still hoping AMD drops a 7700/7800 at a reasonable rate whilst maintaining marginally trailing performance south of the 7900** which would be a win for me. Likewise, expecting NVIDIA to respond within the $800/£800 ceiling with something appealing enough to consider pulling the trigger. Problem is, ive been looking to upgrade for too long and now i'm not as enthusiastic as I once was since grabbing a 1080 TI in 2017.

Also what doesn't help is the constant trumpeting of 4K (and now 8K) and flagship cards... all the marketing BS for a tiny fraction of buyers. What about the 99.9% almost wholesome cake of a MAJORITY? I can't see that being a positive "Healthy Business" long term strategy. Certainly doesn't help the broader consumer base. I now spend more time engaging my hardware enthusiasm by just looking at charts, reading reviews and bloody chatting about it opposed to actually physically buying into the zest. I guess looking on the bright side of things, my PLUM tech saver pot should be north of £3.5k at the close of 2022 and for the first time i get to pull some of those savings out and spend it elsewhere.... a bloody good decision if you ask me and in some oddly satisfying way it feels great not having to give charity to NVIDIA/AMDs over-sized fat insatiable appetite (pop those sunlight eclipsing balloons, pls). Not feeling stimulated with RPL/Zen 4 either and ~2022 was supposed to be a tech upgrade EXTRAVAGANZA (not!).
 
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Of course GPU launches aren't exciting; used to be 10% more money for 2x increase in performance, nowdays it's 2x more money for 10% increase in performance. A bit exaggerated but certainly not by much.

RTX 3080 to RTX 4090 upgrade does not count because they are not same-tier products.
On the bright side, one doesn't really need that 10% extra performance, so might as well not spend 2x, or even anything, for it. :)

I was so excited about Arc and was about committed to an A770. But after the defection A380 I ended up returning because it only worked on 1/4 monitors, I decided to skip Arc this gen, got a decent price on the RX6600 for now, and will happily wait for a better card. If Intel makes a good leap with the Arc B-series, it might be a good buy, but they have nothing 4K worthy at this time, driver updates or not.

the most important games to me are GTA V and MSFS2020. The former which runs OK on medium settings and the latter of which is getting FSR in about a week. So yeah, I will bide my time.

My biggest issue is I either I need to get a new mobo or am limited to a true dual slot card as I use an add-in card for the front USB-C port in my case. On RDNA2, I’m either limited to a reference RX6800 or a used Dell OEM card as they make RX6800XT or RX6900XT in a true dual slot card. Those should come down in price when RDNA3 comes out and I suspect I’ll get one of those in a couple months.

Or, see if there any RX7800XT options that only take up two slots?
I'm in those shoes myself. I really wanted an A770, but they're still nowhere to be seen (except for one store that sells the reference model for £400), so I settled with a system upgrade with a 6750 XT. Now I've got all the performance I need for the next 5 or so years (maybe more), so the only thing I'm gonna care about in new releases is efficiency and ease of cooling. Hundreds of FPS don't interest me. Neither does 4K gaming.

Edit: if you seriously want to buy a reference AMD card, get ready... they run HOT!
 
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Not sure how many of you guys are old enough to remember, but there used to be actual excitement on a GPU release. The TNT2 was going to be a legitimate challenge to 3dfx. The Geforce2 blew everyone's minds. The GTS 250/260 and Radeon 4870 were such a HUGE leap over the previous gen.

Now, I don't even keep up with launch dates. The graphics improvement when playing The Medium is the only benefit I've seen from replacing my 1060 with a 2060. Admittedly, I play on a 22" 1920x1200 monitor, and don't game as much as I used to. Looking at replacing that with a 24" 1440p soon so maybe that'll show a difference. I think 8k is a joke, and personally, can't visually tell the difference between 4k & 8k at any screen size.

Launches are all paper, you can't actually buy the cards at retail, and the high end card no one can afford comes out first. I remember the Geforce2MX, Ti4200, 9500GT, GTS250, all ACTUAL budget cards you could game on, there seems to be an entire market segment missing now. There are no viable midrange cards, the 4gb 1650 was probably the last one. The entire 4XXX series feels like a cash grab, and if it's bad enough to make EVGA dump nvidia as a channel partner, that speaks volumes to how well this marketing strategy is working.
 
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I never get excited about launches, nor do I watch them, I wait for the reviews, then decide. However, I did watch the AMD launch and have decided that for the first time I'll support them and purchase an XTX. Nvidia knows that consumers are going to be skipping generations and are pricing accordingly. I don't know how well that strategy is going to work out considering the lack of inventory during the life span of that generation. Perhaps AIB vendors are happy selling fewer units at full price rather than having to discount over its life cycle, it seems to work for auto dealerships just fine.

No, I'm not excited because prices are too high, there is never inventory and there are no great games being released which make me want to upgrade.
 
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I haven't been "excited" since the 8800GT. lol
All new releases are interesting, but nothing since has blown my mind as far as bang for the buck goes.
 

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They're sure not. Every generation is faster, sure, but more expensive and more power hungry. And if you buy Nvidia, a higher chance to burn your house down I guess?
 
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