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What do you mean «The RX580 was'nt released on purpose», what's the alternative, by chance, accidentally, unintentionally?The RX580 was'nt released on purpose. It's more like TSMC optimizes the proces or wafers and simply shoves that under the nose of AMD. You get either xx w less power at same clocks or you get higher performance at the expensive of the initial gains. So it's rebranded into a RX580 model. Bit higher clocks and a bit more power.
For the 480/580 to compete clocks had to be turned up. It was going against the 1060 and for 200 to 250$ it was the best 1080p card you could get.
Now as for intel; the performance just did'nt match the initial goal. It's simple as that. I see left and right more and more that compute is perhaps equal to a Geforce or Radeon but in real life scenarios it lacks punch. It's another Vega, computational card ported to function as a graphics card.
This generation of Arc's will simply flop, fail, not just on hardware level but also on software level. There's so many games it just does'nt function properly, check the changelog here of the latest drivers:
INTEL Arc Graphics Driver 30.0.101.1736 - VideoCardz.com
Launch driver for Intel® Arc™ A380 Graphics (Codename Alchemist). Intel® Game On Driver support for Redout 2, Resident Evil 2, Resident Evil 3, and Resident Evil 7: Biohazard on Intel® Arc™ A-Series Graphicsvideocardz.com
Or here: https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-a...ance-prediction-for-the-whole-series-suggests
Here's your graph for the Arc 380:
It will be simular to a RX6400. To put that into perspective: https://www.techspot.com/review/2456-amd-radeon-6400/
A RX580 or 1060 will beat that quite easily. It's raja all over again. Unable to deliver.
Even if TSMC improved after 9months the node, why do you think «TSMC shoved that under the nose of AMD».
Anyway it was a conscious business decision by AMD that in the end paid off, because RX480 although great offer, it lost in performance/W vs GTX 1060, it had the TDP 150W fiasco, the frequency just shy of what it would need to come on top of GTX 1060, so at launch was also slower than GTX 1060, after 9 months with higher TBP, frequency and with a little bit more mature drivers plus the reviewers added after 9 months some more newer games, it managed to overcome GTX 1060 performance, so at least in one metric it was better and the power consumption although worst it required just one 8pin for most of the OC models so it wasn't really a deal breaker for most people.
But the RX480-RX580 example was just to indicate that the industry seems that took the wrong message with all the positive RX580 reviews and I think sometimes it's better to lower a bit the frequency if it gives you access to a whole new market like RX6500XT-RX6400 case, that's what Intel should have done with A380 imo.
About the rest a have my own prediction (slightly worse than VideoCardz) , I really don't care about Videocardz's prediction anyway.
But let's take the one you quoted:
ARC A780 16GB:
Slightly worse than RTX 3060Ti, so faster or a lot faster than reference RX6650XT in QHD right?
ARC ARC A750 12GB:
Slightly worse than RTX 3060 so faster or equal to RX 6600 in QHD then.
ARC A580 8GB:
Slightly worse than RTX 3050 in 1080p so a lot faster than RX6500XT:
ARC A380 6GB:
At RX6400 FHD performance level.
So according to the performance you quoted if we compare them to AMD's offers and we assume that Intel is willing to drop prices a day before Navi33 is on the shelves, then I find the below prices quite competitive with AMD's (both of them abysmal offers...)
ARC A770 8GB $379 since it's between RTX 3060 and RTX 3060Ti, I went with just a +7-9% of 3060's QHD performance which gives equal or better than RX 6600XT QHD performance...
ARC A780 16GB at least +$50 ($429) since it will be better than RX6650 and sporting double the memory.
ARC A750 12GB $319 since it's slightly worse than RTX 3060 according to the performance you quoted, so I hypothesize that RTX 3060 is at best 10% faster in QHD which gives RX6600 performance level
ARC A580 8GB $239 since it will supposedly by slightly worse than 3050 so a lot faster than RX6500XT in 1080p.
ARC A380 6GB $169 (slot powered) since it matches RX6400, has 6GB of memory and better media engine or $159 if it's not slot powered.
That's according to the performance you quoted, like I said mine is a little bit more pessimistic.(and prices lower than the above)
Sure there will be problems in older titles, many of us said it in the past but in time things will get better as drivers mature and new games added, so whoever buys desktop ARC at launch (thinking that the offer/price was competitive enough, otherwise why buy it after all?) chances are that it time things will get better and better.
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