Help needed setting the right cooling for a AMD FX-8370

[JrRacinFan]

What about of oc with only the multiplier instead of clock+ multiplier, should I start by setting the default 200 mhz clock?

If you're not looking for fine adjustment, say 2.3Ghz CPU NB clock or like 1900mhz ram clock, then do multiplier overclocking only.

 

[Bones]

Who says those temps will cause issues? You?

Yes, me.

Certainly you are not an expert or you would know that AMD's temp sensors are garbage and report incorrectly anyway. If he uses any program other than overdrive to determine temps it is incorrect and if he does use overdrive all it lists is Tjunction to Tmax. Which is not 62C.

Actually all it takes sometimes is a wonky sensor on the board itself.
I've seen temps for example reported by one of my DFI boards showing the chipset being at 212C before and it never changed - No way it was that hot and I've seen similar readings from CPUs too.
I've done my fair share of working with these chips since they came out and have hit clocks exceeding 6.5GHz, validated with CPU-Z. I know how they act and not arguing whether the sensors are accurate or not BUT I do know temps can cause issues - Seen it too many times before with my FX and other chips while benching. The behaviour they showed with the steps taken to correct them taught me what I do know and I've had plenty of success on my part.

No, not an expert but have you ever topped a result from Splave before?
I have and that one still stands ATM.

As to what I can do, feel free to checkout my profile at the bot.
http://hwbot.org/user/bones/

Nuff said.

 

[PCGamerDR]

Remember that CPU NB Clock will also increase cpu temps, try setting it on auto(it will adjust to ram speed a.k.a optimal clock), undervolt nb volt as much as you can and do further testing , it helped a lot on my 6800k(we're both piledrivers ).

 

[straim]

Ok, I'm currently have a little of in my nb an memory modules due to the 233 clock settings, I will like to find the sweet spot of cp/nb oc below 70c, first I'm gonna try the cpu multiplier only and get stability at some point, after that I will try to balance it. I'm going to play a lot this weekend! Thank you for your help!

 

[cdawall]

Yes, me.



Actually all it takes sometimes is a wonky sensor on the board itself.
I've seen temps for example reported by one of my DFI boards showing the chipset being at 212C before and it never changed - No way it was that hot and I've seen similar readings from CPUs too.
I've done my fair share of working with these chips since they came out and have hit clocks exceeding 6.5GHz, validated with CPU-Z. I know how they act and not arguing whether the sensors are accurate or not BUT I do know temps can cause issues - Seen it too many times before with my FX and other chips while benching. The behaviour they showed with the steps taken to correct them taught me what I do know and I've had plenty of success on my part.

No, not an expert but have you ever topped a result from Splave before?
I have and that one still stands ATM.

As to what I can do, feel free to checkout my profile at the bot.
http://hwbot.org/user/bones/

Nuff said.

Splave doesn't go back and reclock. People beat his scores all the times. I to have clocked one or two fx chips since they came out and hold quite a few number one seats for the optys of the same basis. They take a little more effort to clock than your simple as normal fx chips as well. Remember amd used to literally send me chips... To my door... In little black boxes...

His temps are not holding him back. Not at that voltage or clockspeed. I'm telling you this from probably a shit ton more experience than you think I have.

Also 6.5 is child's play for these... People breaking into 7-7.5 are the ones really tweaking anyone with a dewer and a pot can hit 6.5, hell there are people breaking into that realm with fucking dice and cascades.

 

[Bones]

I'm telling you this from probably a shit ton more experience than you think I have.

I never assumed or even said what experience I thought you had, I know better than to do that, making such assumptions that is.

I will admit I'm not familiar with you but again I cannot assume to "Know" what you know.
You said I wasn't an expert and while that is correct it did come across to me as saying I didn't know anything at all which isn't true.

I do know a few things at least.

Also 6.5 is child's play for these... People breaking into 7-7.5 are the ones really tweaking anyone with a dewer and a pot can hit 6.5, hell there are people breaking into that realm with fucking dice and cascades.

A dewar and a pot indicates LN2 being used and yes, 6.5 with LN2 is E-Z-P-Z, with DICE it's not too rough but certainly takes a little more doing than with LN2.

I too hold some records with Optys, maybe not of the same vintage as yours but records do count regardless.
Check out the Socket 939 Opty 165 rankings.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

suggesting the OP go air in that case with the 3 case fans (shown) fans will make heavy overclocking very difficult for extend periods of time. OC'ing on air needs a lot of air flow.

Taking the OP's pics into account, two things I think would help the current config. One is add a bottom case fan (increase case pressure), replace the cpu cooler fans with higher flow rate fans. If it was possible I would also move the cpu cooler to the rear, because it changes the fresh air flow "lanes".

I had an 8350 on air (Sunbeam 120) for years and ran it @4.4 at idle, @4.6 gaming. Sadly I bent the pins in a horrible accident while migrating to my current case and was forced to buy a 9370.

 

[Bones]

I had an 8350 on air (Sunbeam 120) for years and ran it @4.4 at idle, @4.6 gaming. Sadly I bent the pins in a horrible accident while migrating to my current case and was forced to buy a 9370.

How badly did you bend them?
If you didn't break any off it's possible to save the chip. I will say that will depend on how badly they are bent and which ones are because depending on where they are on the chip affects how difficult it is to fix them. Sometimes fixing bent pins will result in them breaking off anyway but normally if you take your time and do it carefully it's OK in the end. Just remember to not try to "Just bend them", do it slowly and methodically while checking your progress as you go. With a bit of luck you can get it useable again.
My 8320 right out of the package had one that was literally bent over to the point of touching the chips' PCB but doing it in the way I described allowed it to be useable.

I dropped my 720BE a while back and it was a mess to fix, SEVERAL pins got it but I managed to get them all right by working with it carefully and the chip works just fine afterwards. If you have already determined the chip as "Dead" you've nothing to lose by trying at least if you still have it.

 

[cdawall]

I never assumed or even said what experience I thought you had, I know better than to do that, making such assumptions that is.

I will admit I'm not familiar with you but again I cannot assume to "Know" what you know.
You said I wasn't an expert and while that is correct it did come across to me as saying I didn't know anything at all which isn't true.

I do know a few things at least.

I am sure you do I have seen you floating around My comment was more along the lines of none of us are AMD engineers.

A dewar and a pot indicates LN2 being used and yes, 6.5 with LN2 is E-Z-P-Z, with DICE it's not too rough but certainly takes a little more doing than with LN2.

I too hold some records with Optys, maybe not of the same vintage as yours but records do count regardless.
Check out the Socket 939 Opty 165 rankings.

Opty 165's are one of my favorite chips, just never got into that socket to many people ran it. I like off the wall I was clocking socket F for that vintage instead.

 

[Bones]

Gotcha.

You know where we are, feel free to drop in sometime.

 

[cdawall]

Gotcha.

You know where we are, feel free to drop in sometime.

I may have to this page unluckily has gone very one sided as of late.

 

[eidairaman1]

Do you mean Unigine? But they don't stress the CPU at any point in their tests... And i'm not sure if 3dmark is enough to guarantee the CPU stability

actually it does, it caused my cpu to lock. once i seen that i upped the vcore and it stopped locking.

Uh-Uh, This isn't smart advice to say temps aren't an issue to be concerned about.
CPUs have defined thermal ratings for a reason.
Read the specs for your chip at CPU World under "FX-Series", this info is found around the middle of the CPU model's page taken from AMD's specs on the chip.
http://www.cpu-world.com/

Doesn't matter if it won't outright kill the chip it's not good for it and promotes degredation. FX chips will operate at higher temps but to take things to the limit isn't suggested at all, if you can do something to reduce temps from where they are now I'd do it.
Stability starts going out the window with many FX chips at or above 62C while others may tolerate more heat. Even temps around 55C can contribute to problems with stability at times depending on the chip in question.

Yes, 100C WILL damage it if steps aren't taken to reduce temps when you see this - The damage may not be apparent at first but it won't take very long for it's effects to begin showing - Even temps at 80C aren't good for it for too long.
Just because it can go that high period does not mean you should let it, while it may survive for a bit with these temps it certainly isn't good for the chip itself.

To say temps are a non-issue is bad advice and also contributes to misinformation on the subject.
Read the specs for the chip and try to get things within spec or as close as you can get it.

EDIT: A good aircooler if you have to run air would be the Scythe Grand Cross, it's a larger cooler with plenty of cooling capacity. Finding one isn't too hard, in fact many of the Scythe coolers do just fine with others such as the Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO being a cheap yet good unit to run. Note that both coolers named are fairly large so space within an enclosure should also be considered before makiing a choice here.
Personally I'd go with the Scythe between the two if possible but in reality you'll do best running water for cooling it. A rad that's at least a three fan unit/triple rad would be what I'd suggest for the 8370, kits that use this rad would be what to look for, ones with 4 fans/quad units would do better - Only problem would be in just getting one.

im using an ashura

 

[Bones]

im using an ashura

Good cooler, I'm running a Susanoo myself.