High FPS but games feel choppy

[Space Lynx]

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If you have recently bought a gaming PC, or you are an old PC gamer, the chances of you experiencing in-game stuttering are pretty high. Your game either

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Just a heads up, that's actually a 600w PSU. It's one of those low quality power supplies that lists a number higher then it can actually deliver.

still it should be fine for his specs. but yeah I have no idea. I hope he figures it out. I have had this issue before in the past. and a clean install of windows/drivers fixed it for me. sometimes windows is just weird.

 

[toastedbits]

game feels choppy like Im playing on 60hz or low fps meanwhile my monitor is 144hz and FPS is high.

I've been having this refresh rate issue recently, searching for a fix again just now this thread came so I thought I would chime in to see if I can help. It's like the display is stuck at low refresh rate even though it is set at 144, if I turn on in-game v-sync while in this state fps sticks at ~ half my set fps limit.

There's been multiple windows updates and windows drivers since I noticed it so haven't got around to working out exactly what's causing it, but I know that simply changing refresh rate from 144 to whatever and back fixes it everytime for me (until reboot).

VSYNC off, gsync compatible on in driver, freesync on in monitor settings, limit your fps in driver to 141.

This isn't quite right.

per https://blurbusters.com/gsync/gsync101-input-lag-tests-and-settings/14/

Nvidia Control Panel Settings:

• Set up G-SYNC > Enable G-SYNC, G-SYNC Compatible > Enable for full screen mode.
• Manage 3D settings > Vertical sync > On (Why?).

In-game Settings:

• Use “Fullscreen” or “Exclusive Fullscreen” mode (some games do not offer this option, or label borderless windowed as fullscreen).
• Disable all available “Vertical Sync,” “V-SYNC,” “Double Buffer,” and “Triple Buffer” options.
• If an in-game or config file FPS limiter is available, and framerate exceeds refresh rate:
  Set (a minimum of) 3 FPS limit below display’s maximum refresh rate (57 FPS @60Hz, 97 FPS @100Hz, 117 FPS @120Hz, 141 FPS @144Hz, etc).

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RTSS Settings:

• If an in-game or config file FPS limiter is not available and framerate exceeds refresh rate:
  Set (a minimum of) 3 FPS limit below display’s maximum refresh rate (see G-SYNC 101: External FPS Limiters HOWTO).

OR


Nvidia “Max Frame Rate” Settings*:


*Introduced in Nvidia driver version 441.87

• If an in-game or config file FPS limiter is not available and framerate exceeds refresh rate:
  Set “Max Frame Rate” to “On,” and adjust slider to (a minimum of) 3 FPS limit below display’s maximum refresh rate.

 

[Mussels]

Random thing: try toggling the hardware scheduler in windows 10

It was causing me some craaaaaaaaazy FPS weirdness and crashes in ghost recon wildlands and nothing else, so it took a while to figure out

 

[Wasaki]

Add me to the list with rtx 3080 I suspect it's psu corsair rmx 750.
in Gpuz why 8-pin #1 draw less watts than 8-pin#2 in all games and benchmarks?

 

[AlwaysHope]

Add me to the list with rtx 3080 I suspect it's psu corsair rmx 750.
in Gpuz why 8-pin #1 draw less watts than 8-pin#2 in all games and benchmarks?View attachment 230587

I would never use a card like that with a 750w PSU, its recommended to have a least a 700w, but take into account ALL of system requirements. If you show us your system specs, then that would help a lot with advice but generally, an 850w PSU would be better all round.

 

[Ock45427]

Hello guys!
I got a new PC and a new monitor 2 months ago for gaming and lately I have been experiencing issues when playing games like CS:GO, Fortnite, Forza Horizon, GTA V etc. FPS for example on CS:GO medium settings is around 200-250 and when I play my game feels choppy like Im playing on 60hz or low fps meanwhile my monitor is 144hz and FPS is high.
My PC and monitor specs:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3500X 3.6Ghz (4.1 ghz turbo) 6 core
GPU: PNY Nvidia GTX 1650 4GB GDDR6
RAM: 16GB DDR4 3000mhz OC
SSD: 250GB
HDD: 1TB
Monitor: MSI G241 FreeSync 1ms 144hz
PSU: mars gaming mpb 650w 80+ bronze

I have tried changing settings, turning vSync on and off but still nothing helps. Im sad about this because Im playing even on low settings for example CSGO and still game feels like Im playing on 60hz. I have set my monitor settings on 144 hz.

Have you found a fix yet ?

 

[MentalAcetylide]

Given that the OP wasn't having problems with it when he first got the system, it could be drivers need to be updated, or the video card could be going. I was having a similar issue with my laptop in World of Tanks over the past 6-7 months prior to my card dying and no matter how low I set the graphics, there would be stuttering in games where the FPS would drop to 20-30. So there is a possibility that the card might be ready to bite the bullet.

 

[R-T-B]

Random thing: try toggling the hardware scheduler in windows 10

It was causing me some craaaaaaaaazy FPS weirdness and crashes in ghost recon wildlands and nothing else, so it took a while to figure out

Did you try this?

PS: Rather than opening a new thread, which is not really allowed, please just bump this one.

 

[Ock45427]

Did you try this?

PS: Rather than opening a new thread, which is not really allowed, please just bump this one.

Okay but this is happening to my pc and I’ve bought other ones in the past but it’s still doing the same thing

 

[Wasaki]

I would never use a card like that with a 750w PSU, its recommended to have a least a 700w, but take into account ALL of system requirements. If you show us your system specs, then that would help a lot with advice but generally, an 850w PSU would be better all round.

I agree will get Seasonic 1000w heard a lot of good things about it. but don't know which model is best?

 

[Mussels]

Add me to the list with rtx 3080 I suspect it's psu corsair rmx 750.
in Gpuz why 8-pin #1 draw less watts than 8-pin#2 in all games and benchmarks?View attachment 230587

They always draw more off the first connector, they dont balance the load perfectly

I would never use a card like that with a 750w PSU, its recommended to have a least a 700w, but take into account ALL of system requirements. If you show us your system specs, then that would help a lot with advice but generally, an 850w PSU would be better all round.

Why not? I do, just fine.

 

[franc1al]

I still haven't found a solution to this. I have been playing like this so long. I think the problem might be the GPU. Probably it can't handle playing games in 144hz. One more thing to add is that when I got the PC they sold me the card for such a small price at that time a GTX 1650 costed like 450-500$ and they sold it to me for only 280$. How can I understand if the card has got any problem. As I've mentioned the manufacturer is PNY.

 

[watzupken]

I actually don't think it is a GPU issue. Games like CS:Go can easily run at very high FPS even with a card like the GTX 1650. The game engine is very old and texture is actually very low by today's standard. You can monitor to see if the card is acting up, i.e. monitor temps, clock speed and FPS to see if they are normal. Other way requires you to plug the same GPU in another system or use another graphic card on your existing system to see if the problem persists.

My recommendation is to also check the CPU temps just to make sure it is not overheating and throttling. I believe Afterburner should allow you to monitor all these crucial stats in game. Also try to run your monitor at 60Hz with VSync on and see if the same problem persists. Not all monitors work well with G-Sync compatible mode.

 

[GreiverBlade]

I actually don't think it is a GPU issue. Games like CS:Go can easily run at very high FPS even with a card like the GTX 1650. The game engine is very old and texture is actually very low by today's standard. You can monitor to see if the card is acting up, i.e. monitor temps, clock speed and FPS to see if they are normal. Other way requires you to plug the same GPU in another system or use another graphic card on your existing system to see if the problem persists.

My recommendation is to also check the CPU temps just to make sure it is not overheating and throttling. I believe Afterburner should allow you to monitor all these crucial stats in game. Also try to run your monitor at 60Hz with VSync on and see if the same problem persists. Not all monitors work well with G-Sync compatible mode.

i actually would say same ...

i have a similar configurations, although with a 1070 8gb and the 1070 was considered an "ideal" 1440p60 card

since i am not willing to compromise on settings ... i settle for 1620p60hz (actually at 1080p i can settle for 75... but would would 1080p75 over 1620p75 on a 32" ) 60hz is enough for me as i play mostly offline solo games, but when i go online, in CS:GO or anything else, VSYNC on i rarely see below 55-60 (although VSYNC off i see crazy high FPS in CS:GO, it feels not much than 60/75 to me )

 

[franc1al]

UPDATE: Just upgraded to an RTX 2060 Super 8GB and the problems are the same. No improvement and this time Im having crazy FPS drops.

Tried keeping vSync ON, the game is much smoother, but it feels like there is a delay and the FPS locks at 144.

 

[Mussels]

UPDATE: Just upgraded to an RTX 2060 Super 8GB and the problems are the same. No improvement and this time Im having crazy FPS drops.

Tried keeping vSync ON, the game is much smoother, but it feels like there is a delay and the FPS locks at 141.

Okay, we've got Vsync on, FPS cap at 141 - I'm assuming it's running at 144Hz for this, and your FPS value is actually close to that?

Are you testing offline, is this with a corded or cordless mouse, a gamepad, etc?

What overdrive settings have you got in your monitor, what are they set to?

 

[franc1al]

Okay, we've got Vsync on, FPS cap at 141 - I'm assuming it's running at 144Hz for this, and your FPS value is actually close to that?

Are you testing offline, is this with a corded or cordless mouse, a gamepad, etc?

What overdrive settings have you got in your monitor, what are they set to?

Tested on CSGO and fortnite both online, using a corded gaming mouse and keyboard. Monitor has freesync enabled. As I said on vSync the game is smoother but I can feel a bit of a delay. Also on Fortnite im running the lowest settings possible and on Performance mode and its still struggling on heavy areas of the game for example on tilted towers fps drops insanely. this gpu shouldnt have a problem with these games running on their lowest settings at all

 

[Mussels]

You need to try offline to rule out your internet being the issue
You should feel no delay at all with Vsync on and off, unless the frame rate is different

In your Nvidia 3D settings can you enable Fast Vsync and set low latency mode to "low" (not ultra) and see if it helps - make sure the games dont have specific settings overriding the global ones


The problem here is you could have input latency, render latency, physical monitor display latency or network latency - and we need to be REALLY methodical about narrowing which one it is down because it could be MULTIPLE of them, and that can screw with your testing


You could change a setting that fixes render latency but think it didnt work because of network latency and revert it - never knowing you half-solved it.

My monitors are all freesync from different brands and they all have an overdrive setting, these three need to be on balanced to prevent smearing or overshoot - but some monitors need to be on 'fast' when freesync is enabled

 

[dgianstefani]

Strongly suspect that your 3500x is to blame. 6c/6t zen 2 is lower than the 8t sweetspot modern games like. It's strange you're having issues with CS:GO. I would take a look at your RAM as well, 3000mhz on 3xxxx series is not particularly ambitious, but you may have problems with your bios settings - ensure that IF is 1500, XMP is actually enabled etc. Maybe a little more voltage would help.

If you haven't already reset windows and installed AMD Chipset drivers, flashed current bios and reset settings I would also do that before considering replacing any more hardware.

From the problems you're describing it sounds more CPU limited than GPU limited. CPU issues can be a result of settings, RAM tune, overheating or simply a CPU that is too weak.

 

[QuietBob]

There are too many variables for proper troubleshooting at this point. @franc1al could you start by posting a screenshot of the Memory tab from CPU-Z? This one:

 

[franc1al]

You need to try offline to rule out your internet being the issue
You should feel no delay at all with Vsync on and off, unless the frame rate is different

In your Nvidia 3D settings can you enable Fast Vsync and set low latency mode to "low" (not ultra) and see if it helps - make sure the games dont have specific settings overriding the global ones


The problem here is you could have input latency, render latency, physical monitor display latency or network latency - and we need to be REALLY methodical about narrowing which one it is down because it could be MULTIPLE of them, and that can screw with your testing


You could change a setting that fixes render latency but think it didnt work because of network latency and revert it - never knowing you half-solved it.

My monitors are all freesync from different brands and they all have an overdrive setting, these three need to be on balanced to prevent smearing or overshoot - but some monitors need to be on 'fast' when freesync is enabled

Already tried switching Fast vsync ON and it made it worse. When I leave it on normal vsync the game is better graphic wise but there is input latency. CSGO is a game that should be played with no Vsync ON. When I use no vsync the FPS would go maximum 200-300 and its not consistent. It drops all the time and goes back up. Also tried low latency mode, still no improvement

There are too many variables for proper troubleshooting at this point. @franc1al could you start by posting a screenshot of the Memory tab from CPU-Z? This one:

View attachment 262320

There you go

Strongly suspect that your 3500x is to blame. 6c/6t zen 2 is lower than the 8t sweetspot modern games like. It's strange you're having issues with CS:GO. I would take a look at your RAM as well, 3000mhz on 3xxxx series is not particularly ambitious, but you may have problems with your bios settings - ensure that IF is 1500, XMP is actually enabled etc. Maybe a little more voltage would help.

If you haven't already reset windows and installed AMD Chipset drivers, flashed current bios and reset settings I would also do that before considering replacing any more hardware.

From the problems you're describing it sounds more CPU limited than GPU limited. CPU issues can be a result of settings, RAM tune, overheating or simply a CPU that is too weak.

 

[QuietBob]

Your RAM is running very low specs, which may be a part of the problem.
What is your motherboard model, cooling solution and specific memory kit? Please put all your hardware info in the TPU user profile.

 

[Chomiq]

59C in bios? What cooler?

You've been registered for over 2 years now, maybe it's time to input your system specs into the profile.

 

[AsRock]

Thanks for your reply, I have tried these, same problem persists.


I have it on high performance mode, I dont think thats the problem.

You tried turning off game mode within windows ?, in some configurations it would coarse terrible frame times. You could all so try adding the games to windows Graphics settings to.

EDIT:

UPDATE: Just upgraded to an RTX 2060 Super 8GB and the problems are the same. No improvement and this time Im having crazy FPS drops.

Tried keeping vSync ON, the game is much smoother, but it feels like there is a delay and the FPS locks at 144.

Have you tried to monitor the frametime with Rivatuner ?,



using just one monitor if your using two ?
Different drivers ?
though DP or HDMI if you have the options ?.

How about if any GPU scaling in the nV panel ?.

Your power supply is a terrible one. 650w for under £30.... I doubt it's a true 650 but you're lucky it hasnt exploded yet because youre actually running quite a lower powered system. Would highly recommend you replace it with something better

Even if it's not the problem it should be changed anyways.

 

[franc1al]

Your RAM is running very low specs, which may be a part of the problem.
What is your motherboard model, cooling solution and specific memory kit? Please put all your hardware info in the TPU user profile.

Already did, you can check them now. And for the cooling solution I dont have any idea what is the specific cooler that I am using tbh. How can I figure that out?

59C in bios? What cooler?

You've been registered for over 2 years now, maybe it's time to input your system specs into the profile.

I can see from the case that it is an AMD cooler but no idea what is the specific cooler. As far as I remember when I bought the PC they told me that its a normal AMD CPU cooler