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Honestly it is one the coolest running chips I have owned. Though my chip is one of the early ones.. so I dunno..
 
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I have a 5600X3D and it runs hot, if I dont undervolt it with PBO Tuner2.. -20 is what I am using on all core and its never goes over 75c on full cinebench load with a really old AOI set to silent mode. 240mm H100i the original H100i.

It normally runs in the 50s low 60s while gaming..

 
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Hard to cool, not hot. Big difference.

Its the heat density, not the heat output - bigger coolers wont do a thing, but better thermal paste or better contact will change temperatures massively.

That, and i find pump speed makes a big difference.
 
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Pump speed does in deed.. I have mine running full tilt.. but then dont have to have the fans up very high since it is running to fast. I do miss my open loop for how quiet the system was.
 

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Yeah.. not with fan noise, no air cooler will ever change my mind on that.
 
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Pump speed does in deed.. I have mine running full tilt.. but then dont have to have the fans up very high since it is running to fast. I do miss my open loop for how quiet the system was.

Yeah, i find my system very quiet though - was the primary goal. Everything is undervolted, and cpu limited to 70c in bios - pump running at 1000 rpm, and the noctua a12 fans at 800 rpm. Barely audioable :)
 

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Im honestly willing to take that bet.
That is your setup in your system specs?

Edit:

Mine is in my sig.

I can return my case setup to it stock form, only its 2 stock fans up front and be ok.

I can also run perfectly fine with no fans on my cooler, so it would be semi passive..
 
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Betcha you're system is louder than mine :D

Its current set up.. yeah.. probably is..

My open loop, 360 and a 240, SP fans, had them hard set to 900 rpm. Could only tell the damn system on on because the LEDs on the fans. Temp never exceeded 45C CPU or GPU. Was a 5820k clocked at 4.6ghs and a GTX 1080 with its nuts in a vice.
 

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Its current set up.. yeah.. probably is..

My open loop, 360 and a 240, SP fans, had them hard set to 900 rpm. Could only tell the damn system on on because the LEDs on the fans. Temp never exceeded 45C CPU or GPU. Was a 5820k clocked at 4.6ghs and a GTX 1080 with its nuts in a vice.
It is all good my man, it was all in jest anyways :)

But.. I can get this thing to be freakishly quiet if I take out the fans. I just don't like my ram and my GPU to get warm.. and a silent computer really is freaky. I don't think I like the silence.
 
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I spent exactly half of what my NH-U12A Chromax cost on a PA-120 Black and knocked a full 10c off in R23 @ 72c.
Could probably get it a little lower too, this is with NF-A12s @ 1700 rpm (they were full send on the U12-A).
 
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It is indeed a hot running chip, but ive yet to run a heat gun over it to see if the readings are actually true but I was able to get my 5800X3D from 90c down to 80c on a smaller U9S Cooler with a redo in thermal compound, changing the fan position slightly adding a second fan and doing the -30 offset.
 

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Honestly it is one the coolest running chips I have owned. Though my chip is one of the early ones.. so I dunno..
I've had air coolers (dark rock slim) out perform custom water loops. They're fussy with how coolers are mounted, rather than needing bigger coolers.


I sold that dark rock slim, and i'm still sad about it.
 

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Just going to debunk this "CO" being an undervolt, it is not.

The DLDO is a Digital Low DropOut regulator, PSM stands for Pulse Skip Mode. CO aka Curve Optimizer sets DLDO PSM Margin... this tells the regulator how far it can overshoot or undershoot under load changes.

If you run your CPU at CO -30 and apply load, it will first undershoot because your margin is set low and then slowly increase to the point where it wants to run at given the power limits you set.

So for example, if you set your 5800X3D at 115/95/95 it will boost all the way up to 4450 on all cores and run it with CO 0... it will first overshoot its voltage and then lower it as the frequency changes. If you run it with -30 it will undershoot the voltage as the frequency changes and creep up to meet the power limit. In BOTH situations my (your) CPU will run at 1.216v... because that is what needs to stay at that load and it is allowed to reach that because 115 = 95 * 1.2... math never fails.

I also see a lot of false "overclocking" screenshots, where they show CPU-Z doing a multiplier * FCLK... this is SO WRONG. If you increase the FCLK past 100 your CPU will NOT increase its multiplier past 44. You CAN NOT overclock this CPU using a FCLK increase and assume it reaches the 44.5 multiplier in an all core load. It simply DOES NOT DO THAT, the SMU will NOT allow you to do it.

If anyone can prove me wrong, try me and show me a screenshot where you are running at that multiplier with your set FCLK. Also show me a CB23 result, because on average the 5800X3D my CPU scores 14.6k and I have yet to see a valid overclock claim score more than 15k... until then, everyone is full of it.

I have tried to fiddle with the SMU a LOT, if you write any value but 45.5 to the max multiplier register... your CPU will run at 3400 MHz. So this tells me there is a hard limit that the SMU controls, which is completely independent of used platform firmware.

The two screenshots below are from CB23, the first one is from last year and the second one is from today. These run are done on Ubuntu Linux, running CB23 in WINE and there are four VM's running in the background. Temperatures stay in the mid 70'ties. I have seen written testimonials where people claim to have reached over 15k, but again these are still stock and not overclocked at all.

Also regarding temperature, the measurements are made near the CPU cores themselves and there is a piece of insulation slapped on top. This cache sees a gradient of heat, but there does not seem to be anything to measure it. There is another sensor that measures the "package" or SoC temperature, under full load mine rarely reaches 40 degrees and when I touch my CPU block... that temperature seems to be about right as it is warm to the touch. Removing the load also confirms this, as it dives below 40 degrees immediately. So in my opinion, saying the heat density is greater is wrong. The measurement we read is simply made at a location where the most heat is... as it should. A 1g/cm2 coin at 100 degrees compared to a 2g/cm2 coin at 100 degrees equals 100 degrees regardless of density.
 

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CO is not an undervolt at all, as it pushes clocks up. It only turns into an undervolt when you don’t have the power to back it up, leading it to starve. I am at work right now but I would love to pick this apart just a little more :)
 
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A 1g/cm2 coin at 100 degrees compared to a 2g/cm2 coin at 100 degrees equals 100 degrees regardless of density.
Wouldn't there be a difference in the amount of wattage needed to heat two different coins to the same temperature of two different masses right? Doesn't that invalidate this quoted point?
 

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CO is not an undervolt at all, as it pushes clocks up. It only turns into an undervolt when you don’t have the power to back it up, leading it to starve. I am at work right now but I would love to pick this apart just a little more :)
No that is not what it does.

Like I tried to explain, CO aka Curve Optimizer changes the DLDO PSM Margin. It responds to load changes based on a TLD (Transient Load Detector) and tries to quickly regulate (that is what a DLDO does) the voltage up to what is requested.

For voltage regulators basic electronics are still true: P = U * I

So if you set a current limit at 95 with a given voltage you can not exceed the power target, in my example 115. Increasing the PPT beyond that point does nothing.

Also adding two screenshots to show the behavior of FCLK > 100 and FCLK == 100.

Wouldn't there be a difference in the amount of wattage needed to heat two different coins to the same temperature of two different masses right? Doesn't that invalidate this point?
No, we are measuring temperature.
 

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My 5800X3D get hotter wih more CO on stuff like games. Warzone is a good example. with -30 CO I get temps north of 70c.

With stock CO my temps are 60c.

Its a BIG misconception that CO helps temps, yeah it can, but in certain workloads the cores will reach higher frequency, thus, higher temperature.
 
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I dont completely understand what are you on about BCLK and multipliers but it seems to be working for me. CPU simply clocks higher with higher BCLK. Here's a SS from last month but I can try to get a new one if you wish. Or any other test really.

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