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It's honestly my second best tech item I have right now, only behind my gaming rig.

My first Oled was so transformative to my media consumption/gaming that I now own 3....
 
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That's misleading - stop misleading people with your OLED agenda
What's misleading if you, once again, assuming your tiny-sample anecdotal examples represent everyone else. For example, you reference a power hungry 34" monitor, suggesting that is normal for "most" "work" computers. Nonsense. And it is interesting how you ignored the 48" OLED in that same list that consumes less power than that smaller 34".

FTR, I never said OLEDs are the most efficient. What I said was your comment was misleading because you claimed OLEDs consume "massive" amounts of power. No they don't!

One might argue that plasma is a massive power consumer - but compared to many CPUs and GPUs - nope.

Are OLED's perfect or superior in every way? Of course not. I never claimed they were. But I will claim that no other technology is either.

So I say, stop misleading people with your clearly biased, anti-OLED agenda. If OLEDs are not for you and how you compute, that's fine. But stop trying to impose your position on everyone else as though your position applies to all. That's misleading.
 
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What's misleading if you, once again, assuming your tiny-sample anecdotal examples represent everyone else. For example, you reference a power hungry 34" monitor, suggesting that is normal for "most" "work" computers. Nonsense. And it is interesting how you ignored the 48" OLED in that same list that consumes less power than that smaller 34".
What? I have no idea what you're even talking about.

If OLEDs are not for you and how you compute, that's fine. But stop trying to impose your position on everyone else as though your position applies to all. That's misleading.
I'm not imposing anything, im just pointing out your inaccuracies. Backed up by reviews. Sorry if Too bad that hurts your emotions. I also love my OLED - for media.
 
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Don't get me wrong, that's a very nice monitor, but it's so difficult to recommend buying something when 32''(/34/39) and/or 240hz 4k will be start to become a commodity next year. Just a thing to consider.

I've become quite irritated when people imply this, when I go out of my way in every instance to say "IMO" or "something to consider".

"IMO" has a totally different meaning from "something to consider". You did not say it was your opinion that those larger screens will become a commodity next year. You made a "statement of fact", claiming they "will" become a commodity, and therefore, people should consider that "fact".

So while I appreciate you don't want others to put words in your mouth (I hate that too), I didn't. I went by what you actually said.

And for sure, I too just want readers to know the facts so they can make informed decisions.
 
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What is the finite life of OLED displays, as i know OLED pixels burn out over time. I guess it is long enough to not matter, though not sure.
 
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Permanent image retention is a concern but if you take minimal precautions and don't abuse the brightness, a modern OLED will likely outlast you
 
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What is the finite life of OLED displays
I am wondering how are you expecting anyone to know that? Unless something has a timer on it that, when the time is up the device explodes, no one knows how long anything will last. I mean if someone can figure that out, it seems they could be a $trillionaire.
as i know OLED pixels burn out over time
Oh? You know that, how? I am not saying they don't. All pixels on every type of display is subject to being burned out. I am just wondering if you are suggesting OLED pixels burn out faster than any other type of LED display pixel? If so, based on what?

As I mentioned before, my OLED TV is on 5 - 6 hours a day and I've seen no burn-in issues. And I just gave it a good, nose-to-screen look at it while running the Spears & Munsil UHD HDR 4K Blu-Ray disc. I cannot see a single burned out (or stuck) pixel. Of course, that is just my anecdotal sample size of 1 example. But your claim is not something I have heard other OLED users complain about.
 
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What is the finite life of OLED displays, as i know OLED pixels burn out over time. I guess it is long enough to not matter, though not sure.

Last I had heard it was something like 7 years of expected use (can't remember if typical [8'ish hours a day] or constant). Not something I would consider a problem, but YMMV. It's been quite a while since the real hardcore AVS guys discussed it last AFAIK, or at least since I have seen anyone discuss it. I know they were working on a newer dye (as you may know, it's typically the blue subpixel that has problems), perhaps to be used in the printable OLED process, but I'm not entirely sure what became of it.
 
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I am wondering how are you expecting anyone to know that? Unless something has a timer on it that, when the time is up the device explodes, no one knows how long anything will last. I mean if someone can figure that out, it seems they could be a $trillionaire.

Oh? You know that, how? I am not saying they don't. All pixels on every type of display is subject to being burned out. I am just wondering if you are suggesting OLED pixels burn out faster than any other type of LED display pixel? If so, based on what?

As I mentioned before, my OLED TV is on 5 - 6 hours a day and I've seen no burn-in issues. And I just gave it a good, nose-to-screen look at it while running the Spears & Munsil UHD HDR 4K Blu-Ray disc. I cannot see a single burned out (or stuck) pixel. Of course, that is just my anecdotal sample size of 1 example. But your claim is not something I have heard other OLED users complain about.

Read up on OLED burn out. I have seen 20 year old lcd displays that still work fine, as far as i know, normal LCD displays do not burn out, whereas OLED displays do. I thought you would know about this, been as you seem to know everything.

Despite their incredible picture quality for the time, any OLED TV from 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 used carbon-hydrogen bonds in the organic element, meaning that they’re more prone to deterioration over time. Need proof? If you head over to the LG C7 OLED product page on LG’s website you’ll see a lot of owners with the same complaint — they bought the TV when it came out at full price, and now that TV is starting to have burn-in or pixel degradation issues.

I was just wondering if there is any kind of known timespan, Alwayssts has kindly given a answer that gives me an idea of this. I guess OLED technology will get better over time to make this time longer or not at all. Remember the O in OLED means organic does it not, and all organic things burn out just as we do

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Oled_display_alterung.jpg
OLED display getting old
 
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The big youtubers and testers that got/are the press about OLED monitors burning in generally run with full brightness, disable all mitigation measures and after heavy usage. Yes, in this case there will be burn-in. If you are worried about burn-in, do not disable the mitigation measures. Plus, lower brightness helps. For work/office use, 100-120nit is more than enough. In current gen bunch of panels with brightness in that range even LG WOLEDs should not have ABL kicking in. Also, dark mode has been a thing for a while. Use it, both for sake of power consumption as well as your eyes.

I have a 42" C2 on my desk for about a year now. 8h working days, quite a few hours of internet-gaming-media after that. No real burn-in, have not seen image retention either no real problems (besides the usual things with using a LG TV as monitor).

WOLED's strange pixel layout has its fun issues - Excel's color picker is a fun one to look at - but text rendering is reasonably OK. Some Cleartype tweaking helps even more. Samsung's QD-OLED is a bit more noticeable but also something you can tweak a bit and in most cases simply get used to. as mentioned previously, 125% scaling effectively resolves the problem as well.
Read up on OLED burn out. I have seen 20 year old lcd displays that still work fine, as far as i know, normal LCD displays do not burn out, whereas OLED displays do.
LCD panels can and do get burn-in as well. It does not happen as quickly as OLED or plasma did back in the day but it is a thing.
Despite their incredible picture quality for the time, any OLED TV from 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 used carbon-hydrogen bonds in the organic element, meaning that they’re more prone to deterioration over time. Need proof? If you head over to the LG C7 OLED product page on LG’s website you’ll see a lot of owners with the same complaint — they bought the TV when it came out at full price, and now that TV is starting to have burn-in or pixel degradation issues.
When it comes to anecdotal evidence - the main TV in my home is still a 2015 model LG OLED with no issues so far. And it has gotten heavy usage throughout its life :)
 
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Also, you can see a good test on longevity by Rtings.com.

Look at the results and test and make up your mind.

These are almost worst-case scenarios for OLEDS.
 

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OLEDs still burn in even if you babysit them 24/7. it's just a matter of time.
Nonesense! I DO babysit mine and with over 3000hrs on it not one hint of burn in I run a locked taskbar, static icons, and a 10min standby...
 
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I am wondering how are you expecting anyone to know that? Unless something has a timer on it that, when the time is up the device explodes, no one knows how long anything will last. I mean if someone can figure that out, it seems they could be a $trillionaire.

Oh? You know that, how? I am not saying they don't. All pixels on every type of display is subject to being burned out. I am just wondering if you are suggesting OLED pixels burn out faster than any other type of LED display pixel? If so, based on what?

As I mentioned before, my OLED TV is on 5 - 6 hours a day and I've seen no burn-in issues. And I just gave it a good, nose-to-screen look at it while running the Spears & Munsil UHD HDR 4K Blu-Ray disc. I cannot see a single burned out (or stuck) pixel. Of course, that is just my anecdotal sample size of 1 example. But your claim is not something I have heard other OLED users complain about.

RTINGS has been running an accelerated longevity test on a ton of OLEDs


They do get nasty image retention over time if not well taken care of, but it requires a fair bit of time.

Newer panels are much more resilient than old models such as the C7 mentioned in the thread earlier, but in general if you leave the mitigations such as pixel shift enabled, refresh the panel every 2000h or so, don't abuse brightness too much and let your panel run cool, your display will last a long time.

As for me, I'll baby sit my G3, even though it's one of the most resilient panels around. Expensive!
 
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According to Rtings there are two kind of "burn-in", first temporary and is removed by pixel refresh and the second permanent.

From my experience, if you only play should be ok with some babysitting.

For work, unfortunately the risk is higher, and worse is the pixel layout, I believe there are 4 types of OLED layouts, WRGB (LG), triangular RGB (Samsung), true RGB (Samsung used to make them and some Japanese company) and finally fake RGB that have only 2/3 of pixel (all smartphones, hence why they don't look as sharp as LCD), besides true RGB all suffer when producing text.
 

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I must have missed it in my 4 years using a B9 as a PC monitor with no mitigations.

To be fair four years is not that long for a monitor/TV, and "it's only a matter of time" is still right. What will it look like after ten years?
 
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To be fair four years is not that long for a monitor/TV, and "it's only a matter of time" is still right. What will it look like after ten years?

10 years from now, I hope I have a 16K equivalent of my G3, although I hope none of my 4 children with the wife expecting our 5th end up breaking it.

After so long it's not even a concern to me if I may be perfectly honest and I'm the one dude who thinks a yearly cadence for... television releases is absurd
 
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10 years from now, I hope I have a 16K equivalent of my G3, although I hope none of my 4 children with the wife expecting our 5th end up breaking it.

After so long it's not even a concern to me if I may be perfectly honest and I'm the one dude who thinks a yearly cadence for... television releases is absurd

Yeah 5 years is my cadence for both usually in that time what I have is trash compared to what is available but a lot of that just comes down to the buyer some buy a budget 2-300 usd monitor and expect 10 years out of it others spend 1000 usd+ and expect 3-5 years out of it nothing wrong with either approach everyone is just different.

I always donate my displays when I am done with them to the local boys and girls club or similar organizations.
 
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Read up on OLED burn out. I have seen 20 year old lcd displays that still work fine, as far as i know, normal LCD displays do not burn out, whereas OLED displays do. I thought you would know about this, been as you seem to know everything.
Gee whiz, Dude. You are not making any sense. I have read up on them. Have you been reading what OLED owners (not just me) are saying in this thread? Apparently not.

I did my homework before I bought my first OLED over 7 years ago. A display that, like others have mentioned here, is still working great. Nothing I have read since suggests any potential downfalls with OLEDs have gotten worse in any of the newer generation of OLED displays. In fact, everything I have read talks about improvements, prevention and mitigations making the gorgeous OLED displays even more gorgeous.

You asked (my bold underline added),
What is the finite life of OLED displays

Do you know what finite means? Again, apparently not.

Finite:
- having definite or definable limits​
- completely determinable in theory or in fact by counting, measurement, or thought​

So I ask you again, how do you expect me or anyone else here to know exactly how long any OLED display will last? What would you like any of to say? Do you want us to give you date? The exact number of years, months and days?

RTINGS has been running an accelerated longevity test on a ton of OLEDs
Right. And the same "accelerated" tests on all types of displays. Besides the fact "accelerated longevity tests" do NOT represent real-world usage, did you note the failures they experienced in your video? Things like motherboards and power supplies were failing - and not just with OLED displays.

Also, they were displaying the same channel (CNN) for 10 to 12+ hours per day, every day, for months on end. Is that anything close to any "real world" scenario by any "normal" computer user or TV watcher?

They do get nasty image retention over time if not well taken care of, but it requires a fair bit of time.
And NO WHERE did I say that is not true. But (1) as @P4-630 correctly noted, image retention is not the same thing as burn-in. Image retention is temporary and as your own video says, is easy to correct. (2) One might interpret your claim that "if not well taken care of" is suggesting it takes a lot effort on the user. THAT IS NOT TRUE! Most if not all OLED TVs have a built in feature to handle that. On my LG, it runs automatically every few months or I can initiate the process via its internal menu. And (3), contrary to your claim, it takes no time at all. Well, 30 seconds and most of that time is me trying to find the TV's dedicated remote since most of the time I use my universal remote to control everything. On my LG, when the process is initiated, it starts next time the TV is turned "off". So next time I turn it back "on", its done. Piece of cake.

and "it's only a matter of time" is still right.
Yes, this is absolutely true. It is also "only a matter of time" your (speaking to the crowd) IPS, VA, TN monitor will fail too. Same with your power supply, CPU, cell phone, car.

Odds are, you (again, the crowd) will decide to replace the device BEFORE IT FAILS just because you got the itch and wanted to upgrade to something more current.

Come on all you OLED bashers. Read what posters who own OLEDs in this thread have said about their own "real-world" experiences. Why would they buy OLEDs "again" if they were as bad as you want us to believe!
 
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Gee whiz, Dude. You are not making any sense. I have read up on them. Have you been reading what OLED owners (not just me) are saying in this thread? Apparently not.

I did my homework before I bought my first OLED over 7 years ago. A display that, like others have mentioned here, is still working great. Nothing I have read since suggests any potential downfalls with OLEDs have gotten worse in any of the newer generation of OLED displays. In fact, everything I have read talks about improvements, prevention and mitigations making the gorgeous OLED displays even more gorgeous.

You asked (my bold underline added),


Do you know what finite means? Again, apparently not.

Finite:
- having definite or definable limits​
- completely determinable in theory or in fact by counting, measurement, or thought​

So I ask you again, how do you expect me or anyone else here to know exactly how long any OLED display will last? What would you like any of to say? Do you want us to give you date? The exact number of years, months and days?


Right. And the same "accelerated" tests on all types of displays. Besides the fact "accelerated longevity tests" do NOT represent real-world usage, did you note the failures they experienced in your video? Things like motherboards and power supplies were failing - and not just with OLED displays.

Also, they were displaying the same channel (CNN) for 10 to 12+ hours per day, every day, for months on end. Is that anything close to any "real world" scenario by any "normal" computer user or TV watcher?


And NO WHERE did I say that is not true. But (1) as @P4-630 correctly noted, image retention is not the same thing as burn-in. Image retention is temporary and as your own video says, is easy to correct. (2) One might interpret your claim that "if not well taken care of" is suggesting it takes a lot effort on the user. THAT IS NOT TRUE! Most if not all OLED TVs have a built in feature to handle that. On my LG, it runs automatically every few months or I can initiate the process via its internal menu. And (3), contrary to your claim, it takes no time at all. Well, 30 seconds and most of that time is me trying to find the TV's dedicated remote since most of the time I use my universal remote to control everything. On my LG, when the process is initiated, it starts next time the TV is turned "off". So next time I turn it back "on", its done. Piece of cake.


Yes, this is absolutely true. It is also "only a matter of time" your (speaking to the crowd) IPS, VA, TN monitor will fail too. Same with your power supply, CPU, cell phone, car.

Odds are, you (again, the crowd) will decide to replace the device BEFORE IT FAILS just because you got the itch and wanted to upgrade to something more current.

Come on all you OLED bashers. Read what posters who own OLEDs in this thread have said about their own "real-world" experiences. Why would they buy OLEDs "again" if they were as bad as you want us to believe!

Do you really think i meant an exact number in years etc? should i have put non finite instead? or rough idea? you are mr know it all, who answers every post with in your opinion the correct answer. think i will just ignore you as i don't like your type
 
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Do you really think i meant an exact number in years etc? you are mr know it all, who answers every post with in your opinion the correct answer. think i will just ignore you as i don't like your type
Yo what?
 
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To be fair four years is not that long for a monitor/TV, and "it's only a matter of time" is still right. What will it look like after ten years?
I'm assuming with my use level, quite dim, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it still has no burn in.

That being said 5 years is all I expected out if it (and any monitor really) and I'm 80% of the way there.

YMMV, of course.
 
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I'm assuming with my use level, quite dim, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it still has no burn in.

That being said 5 years is all I expected out if it (and any monitor really) and I'm 80% of the way there.

YMMV, of course.

I'm not personally worried about longevity as long as they last longer than the 5 year warranty I get on all of them but I can also easily replace any of them in the event they die same with all my electronics out of warranty.

If someone is worried about longevity on an expensive product that they can't replace it's probably not the right product for them to begin with and to me that applies to any hardware purchase because even with warranty there is no guarantee unless you live in a country with good consumer protection they will take care of you anyways.

I purchased 5 year product replacement for all my expensive electronics and if they last longer I've gotten my use out of them.
 
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