How is Intel Beating AMD Zen 3 Ryzen in Gaming?

[neX]

Great ideas, keep them coming, I'll test them all over the weekend

Edit: note to self, from Jonny via email, force Zen 3 + Ampere to Gen 3 to more clearly see PCIe 3 vs 4

Only thing I'd add to this is to check performance between 2x8GB and 4x8GB at different frequencies. I'm running 2x8 at 3800MHz atm and thinking about upgrading to 4x8GB but I'm a bit concerned my daisy-chain mobo can't run 4x8 at 3800MHz. Is it still worth upgrading if it means I have to lower the speed to 3600 or 3400?

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Wonder how many of you rabid anti Intel poster where rabid anti Amd before ryzen. Hypocritical as fuck

 

[Caring1]

If I reviewed CPUs, I would always test them with the highest officially supported RAM speed, which is DDR4-2933 for the i9-10900K and DDR4-3200 for Ryzen 3000 and 5000 CPUs. Further tinkering with RAM speed and latencies means you're overclocking, which gives unreliable results.

Highest supported Ram speed IS overclocking.

 

[Shatun_Bear]

Wonder how many of you rabid anti Intel poster where rabid anti Amd before ryzen. Hypocritical as fuck

No I owned an Athlon 64 back in the day always wanted to see them compete again but I never thought I'd see them beat Intel in literally every single metric all these years later.

 

[Fluffmeister]

It's certainly exciting times in duopoly land.

 

[Sybaris_Caesar]

where is u problem?,
10400KF 210$
5600X 300$ (if its on stock) 40% higher price

End of the day u get for 40% higher price only 20% more Performance on Stock


Fact is:
Amd is the new Intel

Ultimately people buying Ryzen 5000 despite the price hike are paying for the performance king. There was no issue in people buying 10600k, 10700k and 10900k or any older K chip despite bad value conpared to AMD. Because people wanted the performance.

If you're into value, buy 3700X which is $25 more but 8c16t chip. Or 3600 or 3600X for $200 abd $240.

Or maybe be smart and wait for the eventual 5600 that's rumored to be around $220.

People treat AMD like when/if they come back and become competitive, they should price their products cheaper than competition. And for what? So competition can lower their price and then these people can go and buy the competition.

 

[Condelio]

"as always, take fanboys with a grain of salt"! Thanks as usual for your hard work!

 

[bencrutz]

There is no AMD CPU Zen 3 faster in games compared to Intel overclocked at any core count level.

gamers nexus disagree

 

[Charcharo]

OC to OC, I expect Intel to win in some games overall. But still get stomped in others. For example - Starcraft 2 used to be an Intel bastion. Zen 3 is just much faster than 10th Gen there though. No amount of OCing or tweaking will even get the 10900 even close to a stock 5600X there.

 

[Longsword]

Thank u Sir!
It will clear the confusion a lot

 

[AusWolf]

Highest supported Ram speed IS overclocking.

Are you suggesting that we should test every CPU with 2133 MHz RAM because that's the JEDEC standard?

 

[HTC]

Spotted this @ Anandtech forums:

It's super impressive the gains they made VS original Zen, but Zen3 VS Zen2 gains aren't bad @ all.

 

[EarthDog]

Highest supported Ram speed IS overclocking.

Let's clear this up....again.

JEDEC speeds and timings are there for stability and compatibility purposes. You put sticks in, they absolutely need to work. Typically, there are two jedec speeds/timings programmed (this varies, seen 1, seen 3). In reference to platforms. If 3200 mhz is the max rated speed of the platform, anything OVER this value is considered overclocking the IMC on the PROCESSOR.

In regards to RAM, if I buy sticks rated at ddr4 4000 and run them there...they are rated to ddr4 4000....that is their stock speed.. im only overclocking the IMC. Nobody looks at the IC or JEDEC spec and thinks everything over that is overclocking...well a few stragglers we see.

 

[Caring1]

Are you suggesting that we should test every CPU with 2133 MHz RAM because that's the JEDEC standard?

No, I'm stating your original statement is incorrect.

 

[EarthDog]

No, I'm stating your original statement is incorrect.

But it isn't. See above...

...or post some supporting evidence to what you're saying.

 

[AusWolf]

No, I'm stating your original statement is incorrect.

No, it's not. Overclocking means running any component above the factory rated speeds. JEDEC standards have nothing to do with it.

Example: If my CPU and motherboard officially support memory speeds up to 3200 MHz, and I put 3200 MHz RAM sticks in, and enable XMP to run them at 3200 MHz, it is not overclocking.
Example 2: If my CPU and mobo support memory speeds up to 3200 MHz, and I put 3600 MHz RAM sticks in, it is overclocking.
Example 3: If my CPU and mobo support memory speeds up to 3200 MHz, and I put 3000 MHz RAM sticks in, and manually tune them to run at 3200 MHz, it is overclocking.

 

[ryzen5000]

It's certainly exciting times in duopoly land.

It won't be a duopoly for long if Intel and AMD don't invest more seriously on efficiency.
I think Zen 3 is a major step in the right direction, but much more than that will be necessary
for x86 to rival high performance ARM CPUs when these reach consumer desktops.

 

[Stewen1967]

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the drawing was faulty i fixed it

 

[RH92]

it's a shame TPU still doesn't use %1

I second this , as much as i love Wizzard reviews and as much as i know this would add a fair bit of work , having 1% or/and 0,1% lows included would be amazing because unfortunately average frames per second don't provide the full picture .

 

[W1zzard]

I second this , as much as i love Wizzard reviews and as much as i know this would add a fair bit of work , having 1% or/and 0,1% lows included would be amazing because unfortunately average frames per second don't provide the full picture .

These will be added with the 2021 CPU test platform, using the same format I added for my GPU reviews recently

 

[Space Lynx]

more intel security issues:

Hackers can use just-fixed Intel bugs to install malicious firmware on PCs

Computer makers are in the process of patching Boot Guard. Have you installed it yet?

arstechnica.com

long live AMD!

 

[Caring1]

No, it's not. Overclocking means running any component above the factory rated speeds. JEDEC standards have nothing to do with it.

Example: If my CPU and motherboard officially support memory speeds up to 3200 MHz, and I put 3200 MHz RAM sticks in, and enable XMP to run them at 3200 MHz, it is not overclocking.
Example 2: If my CPU and mobo support memory speeds up to 3200 MHz, and I put 3600 MHz RAM sticks in, it is overclocking.
Example 3: If my CPU and mobo support memory speeds up to 3200 MHz, and I put 3000 MHz RAM sticks in, and manually tune them to run at 3200 MHz, it is overclocking.

Still wrong.
XMP is overclocking.
Example 1: If my CPU and MB officially support memory speeds up to 3200 MHz (OC), and I put in 3200MHz Ram sticks in, and enable XMP to run them at 3200MHz, it IS overclocking.
Example 2: Is wrong as if your MB supports memory speed up to 3200MHz and you put in 3600MHz Ram sticks they will run at 3200MHz unless overclocked.
Example 3: Is correct.

 

[Deleted member 190774]

The only observation I can make...
In terms of prices , the 5600x is on par now with the 10700k.

Yeah not in Australia; 10600K is $399, 10700K is $599 and 5600X is $469.

 

[AusWolf]

Still wrong.
XMP is overclocking.
Example 1: If my CPU and MB officially support memory speeds up to 3200 MHz (OC), and I put in 3200MHz Ram sticks in, and enable XMP to run them at 3200MHz, it IS overclocking.
Example 2: Is wrong as if your MB supports memory speed up to 3200MHz and you put in 3600MHz Ram sticks they will run at 3200MHz unless overclocked.
Example 3: Is correct.

Don't twist my words please. I never said 3200 MHz (OC).

Here's a cut-out from my motherboard's specification sheet regarding memory. As you see, nothing up to 3200 MHz is considered OC by the manufacturer for this specific board.
As for memory, XMP speeds and latencies are tested and guaranteed to run, that's why we have profiles integrated. Whether you lose your warranty or not is up to manufacturer interpretation, but still you should not fear, as your RAM is guaranteed to run at that speed. By using XMP, you are not modifying the manufacturer rated speeds and latencies. You are simply enabling a profile that has been integrated by the manufacturer. It's like enabling turbo on a processor.

Let me rephrase my original question: do you think every single benchmark result there is comes from overclocking (and is therefore invalid) just because nobody runs RAM at the JEDEC specified standard 2133 MHz?

 

[Stewen1967]

Don't twist my words please. I never said 3200 MHz (OC).

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Here's a cut-out from my motherboard's specification sheet regarding memory. As you see, nothing up to 3200 MHz is considered OC by the manufacturer for this specific board.
As for memory, XMP speeds and latencies are tested and guaranteed to run, that's why we have profiles integrated. Whether you lose your warranty or not is up to manufacturer interpretation, but still you should not fear, as your RAM is guaranteed to run at that speed. By using XMP, you are not modifying the manufacturer rated speeds and latencies. You are simply enabling a profile that has been integrated by the manufacturer. It's like enabling turbo on a processor.

Let me rephrase my original question: do you think every single benchmark result there is comes from overclocking (and is therefore invalid) just because nobody runs RAM at the JEDEC specified standard 2133 MHz?

Hardware OC is also a good issue for a discussion. However, it is important to note the operating system optimization that causes several 100 point deviations when not properly optimized. cinebench r20 pl basic after installation on my system the value is 4600-4700 points multi. after optimization this number is 5000 and even hardware OC did not happen. What do you think about this, sir? (I see an awful lot of controversy on the OC line in hardware and many are unable to use or optimize the operating system properly.)