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[frigider]

The E5-2697 V3 only goes to max turbo on 1 core at a time, 3.5 on 2 and 3.4 on 3. Max all core turbo for that CPU is 2.8ghz, as shown by the graph at Anandtech;

well call me lucky then, CPU-Z shows 3099 GHz on all cores for me
so forget about me complaining

 

[lexluthermiester]

well call me lucky then, CPU-Z shows 3099 GHz on all cores for me
so forget about me complaining

Yeah, that seems like a win. Anandtech doesn't often get things wrong and they would have been called out on that one if they had made a mistake. So something about you combination of CPU and the system you're running it on is giving you an advantage. And yeah, 3.1ghz on 14cores/28threads is a solid performance. I would call that a win for that CPU.

 

[frigider]

Yeah, that seems like a win. Anandtech doesn't often get things wrong and they would have been called out on that one if they had made a mistake. So something about you combination of CPU and the system you're running it on is giving you an advantage. And yeah, 3.1ghz on 14cores/28threads is a solid performance. I would call that a win for that CPU.

Yeah well in this case I will not reset bios settings after all

I have to look into this turbo for xeons.
Sounds like a bit of a gamble unfortunately. Will check Andandtech, thanks.
+Good old google.

 

[frigider]

The E5-2697 V3 only goes to max turbo on 1 core at a time, 3.5 on 2 and 3.4 on 3. Max all core turbo for that CPU is 2.8ghz, as shown by the graph at Anandtech;

interesting - according to this website it's 3.1 on all cores:

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/hpc/Xeon-E5v3-All-Core-Turbo-and-Amdahl-s-Law-759/

 

[lexluthermiester]

interesting - according to this website it's 3.1 on all cores:

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/hpc/Xeon-E5v3-All-Core-Turbo-and-Amdahl-s-Law-759/

That IS interesting. Weird. Still, 3.1ghz all core is solid performance.

 

[frigider]

The IS interesting. Weird. Still, 3.1ghz all core is solid performance.

yes, well - as the noob that i am i imagined all cores could go to 3.6, imagine the disapointment

at least now i can do some proper research, i care about all core performance.

 

[Xeon]

You actually can (potentially) on E5-2600 V3's there is a bug.

 

[frigider]

You actually can (potentially) on E5-2600 V3's there is a bug.

have read about this but i think they did it on chinese mother boards - flashed the BIOS or something.

i have a Z440 - can i do that too?
also read that there is a risk involved? or actually if CPU goes over 145W TDP it will stop going "bats#it crazy" on all cores.

 

[lexluthermiester]

i care about all core performance.

To be fair, if that is what you care about you should really be focusing on a newer CPU like a 12 or 16 core Ryzen or similar from Intel. These older CPU's are great to play, toy and tinker with, but realistically, if performance is what you need newer is the way to go and aren't much more expensive.

 

[frigider]

To be fair, if that is what you care about you should really be focusing on a newer CPU like a 12 or 16 core Ryzen or similar from Intel. These older CPU's are great to play, toy and tinker with, but realistically, if performance is what you need newer is the way to go and aren't much more expensive.

i am considering this. checked performance comparison websites and it's pretty much a non-contest.

looks like the 2xCPU and 36,44,88 threads dream is slowly dying.

the "issue" with new products is that they are not so much upgrade-able as the old ones.
where you could go t0 2xx, 5xx, 7xx GB of RAM, having 2 CPU sockets you could start small with 1xV3, upgrade to 2xV3s, then maybe 2xV4s?
i am aware of the danger posted by "numbers", getting lost in the specs etc. i currently do not top-out my CPU. so in theory i should not upgrade it.

i am ashamed to admit this but: IF i can sell the Z440 i would do the switch.

 

[lexluthermiester]

i am considering this. checked performance comparison websites and it's pretty much a non-contest.

looks like the 2xCPU and 36,44,88 threads dream is slowly dying.

the "issue" with new products is that they are not so much upgrade-able as the old ones.
where you could go t0 2xx, 5xx, 7xx GB of RAM, having 2 CPU sockets you could start small with 1xV3, upgrade to 2xV3s, then maybe 2xV4s?
i am aware of the danger posted by "numbers", getting lost in the specs etc. i currently do not top-out my CPU. so in theory i should not upgrade it.

i am ashamed to admit this but: IF i can sell the Z440 i would do the switch.

To be fair, your CPU is a good one. It just been eclipsed. Out of curiosity, what are you wanting to do?

 

[frigider]

To be fair, your CPU is a good one. It just been eclipsed. Out of curiosity, what are you wanting to do?

I use it for video editing - Adobe After effects.
Most of the "special effects" are "processed" by the CPU - it will run all cores close to 90%.

Effects processed by the GPU are starting to show up.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I use it for video editing - Adobe After effects.
Most of the "special effects" are "processed" by the CPU - it will run all cores close to 90%.

Effects processed by the GPU are starting to show up.

Ah, now that use case scenario is it's easier to render input. That CPU will be fine for video editing. While a newer CPU would do better, that CPU you're using will do the job well. The key with Video rendering is RAM, you'll need lots of it depending on the resolution you want to render out and the length of the video's you wish to produce. I would recommend 32GB as a starting point, but if you hit a RAM wall, go to 64GB. The Z440 has a 128GB limit(http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c04823811.pdf), so 64GB is doable.

 

[frigider]

Strange, I read about 256 max RAM.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Strange, I read about 256 max RAM.

That might be possible, perhaps even likely, but the official word from HP in the system manual is 128GB. Let's be practical though, 64GB will likely be more than you'll ever need for that system.

 

[frigider]

That might be possible, perhaps even likely, but the official word from HP in the system manual is 128GB. Let's be practical though, 64GB will likely be more than you'll ever need for that system.

i will find that out soon.
now i have 40 and it fills up to the top.

 

[Xeon]

have read about this but i think they did it on chinese mother boards - flashed the BIOS or something.

i have a Z440 - can i do that too?
also read that there is a risk involved? or actually if CPU goes over 145W TDP it will stop going "bats#it crazy" on all cores.

Asus, Asrock and some other have worked also with a bios flash you can look it up on win-raid forum if you like. Bios flashing won't work on the HP.... I've heard some people loading the early micro code within a UEFI shell but tbh I don't know much about it.

 

[frigider]

Asus, Asrock and some other have worked also with a bios flash you can look it up on win-raid forum if you like. Bios flashing won't work on the HP.... I've heard some people loading the early micro code within a UEFI shell but tbh I don't know much about it.

thanks - i will leave it alone.
tbh thinking of moving to "consumer grade" cpus like ryzen - purely because of the speed.
checked some comparisons and the perf diff is huge - my xeon rated ~250th and ryzen at ~50th spot.
sounds a bit mind blowing.

but that rating reflected reality when comparing my xeon to my i5 gen 10 - it really is 2-3 times faster.
so I have faith in that rating.

 

[Samiam66]

Fridger

I made the jump when the first Ryzen 7 3700-3900 were released june 2019 i think..
Still have 3 HP Z420 around the house for HTPC stuff ...And they are reliable as ever
Use Ryzens for daily work related task

long live the Xeons

Sam

 

[frigider]

long live the Xeons

amen to that brother.

there is a high chance i will not be able to sell the 440 and get a decent amount of cash for it.
so worst case i think i will do a buy-back and switch to a dell dual CPU v3/4... it should beat the ryzen

because dells are cheaper for some reason. :|

 

[Samiam66]

Listen

I play Xplane -11 and Microsoft Flight Simulator all the time ..And I can say for a fact
I wouldn't get on a plane ........im piloting ..

peace brother

Sam

 

[Xeon]

because dells are cheaper for some reason. :|

Supply and demand, I guess. I was looking for a used Z820 to shove some hardware I have laying around from a dead Dell R720 and was amazed at the price asked for such an old system.

 

[Aaron_Henderson]

Supply and demand, I guess. I was looking for a used Z820 to shove some hardware I have laying around from a dead Dell R720 and was amazed at the price asked for such an old system.

My hypothesis is that the HP motherboards have a more standard "nearly ATX" motherboard layout that makes using the boards in other scenarios easier and more desirable than Dell's misshapen boards. That's just a guess, though. The HP dual 2011 motherboards are some of the more desirable, from what limited research I've done. So that makes the prices of the motherboards go up a ton as they are tougher to come across as replacements. I imagine there's more to it than that, but it seems only certain models of HP fetch more than their Dell competition, most of them seem to be dual 2011 socket.

 

[Xeon]

My hypothesis is that the HP motherboards have a more standard "nearly ATX" motherboard layout that makes using the boards in other scenarios easier and more desirable than Dell's misshapen boards. That's just a guess, though.

I once did such a build...totally not worth it, just buy the damn thing

 

[Aaron_Henderson]

I once did such a build...totally not worth it, just buy the damn thing

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I've built a ton of them...but they don't look like that...no offense lol I find it fun doing conversions.