I see no future in consumer level Windows even for an enthusiastic casual who does no work related stuff.

[RadeonUser]

Windows 11 LTSC is everything people want from 11 that Microsoft seems to be dismissing for whatever reason.

It comes as a base OS like Windows 7 used to or for anyone else that used LTSC editions of 10, basically the same except the upgraded OS level security backend and some UI differences alongside the updated OS.

When I compared it to Nobara a Linux OS I could not distinguish any real difference in terms of speed on an AM4 system, snappy, ultra-responsive and anything you do need you can add via the usage of Powershell.
Things such as XBOX / Windows store can be added back completely functional on a local admin account.
You can have it all without the drawbacks.

No TPM requirement, 2GB system RAM rather than 4, DX10 cards work with it and you can now use mechanical drives too, all things that don't work in consumer editions.

Gaming has been a flawless experience for myself.



To get LTSC, sadly there is only one way, and I will not be sharing it here, but if you can actually get it the correct way... do it.

 

[Dorek]

Mechanical drives dont work in 11?

 

[RadeonUser]

Mechanical drives dont work in 11?

Microsoft Trying to Kill HDD Boot Drives By 2023: Report

The push for SSD-everything intensifies

www.tomshardware.com

 

[Onasi]

Mechanical drives dont work in 11?

They do, it just won’t be a pleasant experience using one for a boot drive. The system won’t be as responsive as it could be.

Microsoft Trying to Kill HDD Boot Drives By 2023: Report

The push for SSD-everything intensifies

www.tomshardware.com

This is an unambiguously correct move on MS part. Running an HDD as a boot drive on a modern OS in year 2024 is absolutely silly. SSD prices have came down enough.

 

[Dorek]

No idea how i missed that article but my main pc will stay at version 10.

 

[kilo]

To get LTSC, sadly there is only one way, and I will not be sharing it here, but if you can actually get it the correct way... do it.

Is it not available from MS here ??

 

[LabRat 891]

Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC will likely be the last Windows OS for me. 'Already was considering the switch to Linux.
By 2032, maybe something better than Linux or Windows'll come along.

 

[natr0n]

10 LTSB/C is far better

2016 is the fastest windows 10 version. if you have a spare drive to play with. Some games and drivers might complain.

Latest versions = more excessive bloat

 

[unwind-protect]

This is an unambiguously correct move on MS part. Running an HDD as a boot drive on a modern OS in year 2024 is absolutely silly. SSD prices have came down enough.

If you have enough RAM then all the runtime stuff on the boot drive (namely shared libraries) are cached anyway. The things actually used for boot (kernel and modules) are not accessed after boot at all, it is actually a waste to put that on a fast SSD.

Now, Windows forces you to put some other stuff on C:, but that's situational (ETA: and stupid).

 

[RadeonUser]

Name a few games. Emulation doesnt count.

The games I ran in the video are native PC ports.

Unreal Tournament 3.

All Unreal Engine 4 / 5 games.

CS2

RDR2

RE4

Biggest improvements are 1% lows, average is not a huge difference, noticeably there is less stutter than on Windows 10 LTSC.

 

[natr0n]

The games I ran in the video are native PC ports.

Unreal Tournament 3.

All Unreal Engine 4 / 5 games.

CS2

RDR2

RE4

Biggest improvements are 1% lows, average is not a huge difference, noticeably there is less stutter than on Windows 10 LTSC.

I am one of those people who dont give a shit about these new terms 1% lows and the fool who invented this form/fad of benching.

11 is 10 with more/bloat/menus tacked on and on top of it ton of new countless services to spy and use up resources.

If you feel it works for you than thats fine.

 

[RadeonUser]

I mean there is no point trying to bust down a brick wall, just go around.

I am cool you are happy.

 

[Sunny and 75]

The title could use a bit of improvement.

 

[Onasi]

If you have enough RAM then all the runtime stuff on the boot drive (namely shared libraries) are cached anyway. The things actually used for boot (kernel and modules) are not accessed after boot at all, it is actually a waste to put that on a fast SSD.

Now, Windows forces you to put some other stuff on C:, but that's situational (ETA: and stupid).

Haven’t said anything about said SSD needing to be fast. Just something that has respectable random access performance will suffice. Hell, most of modern drives float around the same numbers in this regard anyway. But I’ve used 10 and 11 on machines with HDDs. It’s not a good experience even with a decent amount of RAM (16 gigs in both cases).

 

[Shrek]

Windows 11 LTSC is everything people want from 11 that Microsoft seems to be dismissing for whatever reason.

...

No TPM requirement

Does this mean one can run Windows 11 LTSC on a machine that would otherwise stop at Windows 10?

 

[RadeonUser]

Does this mean one can run Windows 11 LTSC on a machine that would otherwise stop at Windows 10?

Absolutely.

So long as 2GB RAM minimum, Direct X 10 or higher GPU.

 

[Shrek]

This would be BIG

You really should open a new thread on this topic.

 

[Onasi]

Does this mean one can run Windows 11 LTSC on a machine that would otherwise stop at Windows 10?

Depends. The POPCNT SSE 4.2 requirement is still there since it’s based on the new kernel, so if you mean the old CPUs that were affected by that, then no, it still wouldn’t work.

 

[RadeonUser]

Depends. The POPCNT SSE 4.2 requirement is still there since it’s based on the new kernel, so if you mean the old CPUs that were affected by that, then no, it still wouldn’t work.

Core 2 Duo even have SSE 4.2 instructions.

 

[Shrek]

Core 2 doesn't have SSE 4.2

 

[Onasi]

Core 2 Duo even have SSE 4.2 instructions.

No. They do not. Earliest Intel CPUs that would be supported are Nehalem. Even late Penryn C2D are 4.1.

 

[Klemc]

LTSC Vs. non-LTSC difference is, requirements and that's all ?

I can't get rid of the Gamebar popup, sometimes (when pluging a gamepad, telling i need an app to open it, i don't want it openable, i want it OFF), even reinstalled the apxbundle but error stayed... it's Win 11.

 

[RadeonUser]

Core 2 doesn't have SSE 4.2

True, confused 4.1 for 4.2

Anything Nehalem / Clarkdale / Lynnfield or higher then.. still processros from like 2008.

 

[Onasi]

@RadeonUser
AFAIK, @Shrek is asking because he is still running a C2Q system which serves him well, he already brought it up in a thread a month or so ago. So it IS relevant at least to someone.

 

[RadeonUser]

LTSC Vs. non-LTSC difference is, requirements and that's all ?

I can't get rid of the Gamebar popup, sometimes (when pluging a gamepad, telling i need an app to open it, i don't want it openable, i want it OFF), even reinstalled the apxbundle but error stayed... it's Win 11.

Yeah if you just install the XBOX app it never shows again, it's because the OS is missing core components to switchg it's self fully off, it depends on the XBOX app for gamebar, so the OS says... Where is it?


There may be a reg tweak for it.