i5-8365U reaching 100ºC

[watzupken]

I think since this is a company laptop, so I certainly won't worry too much about it since its covered by warranty.

Anyway, I can think of a few reasons for the toasty chip. 1 being the very basic cooling found on most if not all ultra slim laptops. You can find some pictures of the cooler used in this laptop if you Google it. Couple with an ever increasingly power hungry Intel processor, which is a recipe for heat issues and throttling.

In addition, PC makers will determine the behavior of the CPU when it heats up. Some can throttle + increase fan speed drastically when it hits 80+ degs, while some would try to stretch it by allowing a higher heat threshold. Most reviews you see out there are tested in a low to mid 20s deg kind of room temp that may kind of skew the temperature results.

 

[Max(IT)]

Although i would check were the hot spots are and vents and get one with fans in the same kind of area's.

I'm using the Thermaltake Massive 20, which have a single big fan.
It is one of the few big enough to cool a 17" laptop (a lot are advertised as suitable from 13 to 17" but that's plain false as the notebook is bigger than the pad itself).

 

[karmaikel]

HP EliteBook x360 830 G6 Laptop Review: HP Convertible impresses in almost every way

Notebookcheck reviews the HP EliteBook x360 830 G6. This HP laptop targets business users & other productive uses cases. The special feature of this HP EliteBook 830 G6 is its extremely bright SureView screen.

www.notebookcheck.net

In terms of the outer temperatures, the HP EliteBook x360 830 G6 is exemplary. The highest temperature we measured was 43.3 degrees Celsius (~110 degrees Fahrenheit), which is warm but in no way problematic. The behavior in stress tests with Prime95 and FurMark is pretty tame as well: The CPU can consume 50 W for 30 seconds, reaching clock rates of 4.1 GHz and CPU temperatures of 97 degrees Celsius (~207 degrees Fahrenheit). Soon, the power consumption is limited to 15 W and then 13 W. At the end of the stress test, the CPU clock rates sit at 800 MHz. In everyday use, this TPD throttling should be no problem.

it Is a different cpu but a similar behaviour, almost 50W for some seconds, reaching 4.1GHz and 97C and then power reduced to 15W... And also their room temperature is 5C below mine...

So my temperatures seem ok, wait, not only ok, they are "exemplary"

 

[Valantar]

HP EliteBook x360 830 G6 Laptop Review: HP Convertible impresses in almost every way

Notebookcheck reviews the HP EliteBook x360 830 G6. This HP laptop targets business users & other productive uses cases. The special feature of this HP EliteBook 830 G6 is its extremely bright SureView screen.

www.notebookcheck.net

it Is a different cpu but a similar behaviour, almost 50W for some seconds, reaching 4.1GHz and 97C and then power reduced to 15W... And also their room temperature is 5C below mine...

So my temperatures seem ok, wait, not only ok, they are "exemplary"

Illustrates my previous point exactly: device makers these days generally design for device skin temperatures and not CPU temperatures. As long as it doesn't feel hot for the user and doesn't throttle below base, it's doing what it is supposed to. The chip protects itself by lowering clocks when it hits TjMax.

 

[Max(IT)]

HP EliteBook x360 830 G6 Laptop Review: HP Convertible impresses in almost every way

Notebookcheck reviews the HP EliteBook x360 830 G6. This HP laptop targets business users & other productive uses cases. The special feature of this HP EliteBook 830 G6 is its extremely bright SureView screen.

www.notebookcheck.net

it Is a different cpu but a similar behaviour, almost 50W for some seconds, reaching 4.1GHz and 97C and then power reduced to 15W... And also their room temperature is 5C below mine...

So my temperatures seem ok, wait, not only ok, they are "exemplary"

That's normal behavior for a notebook: PL2 (50W in this case) for 28 seconds, and then PL1 (usually the TDP, 15W in this case).
The only "bad thing" is TDP further reduced to 13 W by the manufacturer.

 

[Fizban]

Oh, btw, those of you saying devices are throttling because they are sustaining clocks far below boost? Please stop. By definition, modern CPUs are not throttling unless they go below base clock.

That sounds like a really dumb definition to use. Virtually no laptop I am aware of runs below base clock. My 9750H has a listed all-core-turbo of 4.0 GHz. If it is running at 3.6 GHz to avoid reaching TjMax, I'd definitely consider that to be throttling.
U chips are a bit different though since their wattage doesn't realistically allow them to run at their all-core turbo for long regardless of temps.

Also, "definition" as per who? Definitions aren't defined by one common source.

This... is where i know youre lying Macbooks working for 10+ years?? Apple would like to know what sort of crack you've been smoking and where they can find these macbook owners so they can charge them for repairs and new macbooks they didnt buy as replacement for faulty (or just plain old) ones.

Apple would be out of business if their products lasted 10+ years. Nobody would be buying their stuff

This is nonsense. You don't buy a new computer because your old one died. You buy it because your old one no longer meets your demands or expectations.

I own an ASUS ROG with a i7-740QM, an a Radeon HD 5870M. It still works. I do not use it. Why? What was a bleeding edge machine in 2009 no longer cuts it for my current usage.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

This is nonsense. You don't buy a new computer because your old one died. You buy it because your old one no longer meets your demands or expectations.

OK. well i guess the saying "if it aint broke, dont fix it" is one that is lost on you. Even more nonsensical is someone who thinks that everyone thinks the way they do and speaks for everyone. But thats neither here nor there.

 

[Fizban]

OK. well i guess the saying "if it aint broke, dont fix it" is one that is lost on you. Even more nonsensical is someone who thinks that everyone thinks the way they do and speaks for everyone. But thats neither here nor there.

What I said IS true for everyone.

I could give you a working Commodore 64. It's not broke. It still wouldn't fulfill your needs. How quickly machines become obsolete varies person to person, but everyone upgrades when their computer no longer functions as required.

A computer that doesn't do what you need it to "is broke" for the intent of your statement.

 

[Valantar]

That sounds like a really dumb definition to use. Virtually no laptop I am aware of runs below base clock. My 9750H has a listed all-core-turbo of 4.0 GHz. If it is running at 3.6 GHz to avoid reaching TjMax, I'd definitely consider that to be throttling.
U chips are a bit different though since their wattage doesn't realistically allow them to run at their all-core turbo for long regardless of temps.

Also, "definition" as per who? Definitions aren't defined by one common source.

Uhm, yes they are. Intel defines the specifications of their own chips, so it is up to them to define what is throttling and not. Your opinion on this does not matter. If you consider running lower than all-core turbo to be throttling, that's too bad - for some reason you have expectations that don't match with reality. I would suggest adjusting them to match with reality to avoid confusion and possible annoyance. Throttling on any modern Intel chip is by definition running below base clock as base clock is the clock speed that is guaranteed to be maintainable when power limited within TDP. Anything above base is boost, and boost is never guaranteed to be maintainable. Boost is by definition opportunistic, i.e. it works if power, thermals etc. allows. As I said above, you are welcome to think this is shady or a bad way of doing things, but that doesn't change reality. You can also say you want your chip to run at all-core boost constantly, but you can't expect all laptops to do so (not even desktops, frankly) as that is not how the parts in them are specified or designed. While they are theoretically capable of doing so it would require increasing boost power time windows and otherwise tweaking settings, alongside overbuilt cooling to match. In other words they would be running outside of spec - particularly for power, as no current or recent high end Intel chip cam maintain its all-core boost without consuming significantly more power than TDP. It is rather common for even gaming laptops to do this, but you can't expect it in all cases.

 

[Fizban]

Uhm, yes they are. Intel defines the specifications of their own chips, so it is up to them to define what is throttling and not.

No. That's not remotely how definitions work. Throttling is not a word created by Intel. They do not get to define how people use it, especially since it predates the existence of their corporation by centuries.

Colloquial usage matters far more than what Intel decides a term means.

Throttling in colloquial usage very much means that a chip is running slower than it would otherwise be capable of if temperatures were lower. ie. A U chip running below all-core turbo due to wattage limitations isn't throttling, it is achieving its maximum performance given its current wattage. A H chip reducing its speed to avoid blasting through TJMax is throttling in the eyes of basically anyone except Intel. Alas, Intel doesn't get to change the meaning of words as part of a marketing ploy.

You argument is akin to me claiming that Ford changed the word "failure" to describe an engine which does not start, and that as such if your ford car starts, and drives at a top speed of 5 mph and stalls every 100 meters that it isn't technically a failure.

Companies don't hold that kind of power.

Want to know the definition of throttling? Look it up in a dictionary.

2.
control (an engine or vehicle) with a throttle.

• reduce the power of an engine or vehicle by use of the throttle.

If my 9750H runs at 3.2 GHz due to heat, it is having its power reduced by use of a throttle.

Sorry to break it to you, but being a shill for Intel doesn't make everyone else wrong.

 

[95Viper]

Thread arguing limit reached.
There is no more progress on the topic being made.
Thread closed.
If you wish it open... take it up with a Super Moderator.

Thank You and Have a Good Day.