I7 870 VS I5 2550K

[cucker tarlson]

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-750-Ti-vs-AMD-RX-Vega-11-Ryzen-iGPU/2187vsm401440
https://technical.city/en/video/GeForce-GTX-750-Ti-vs-Radeon-RX-Vega-11

There are others. Most trade blows, with some putting the Vega 11 at about .5% faster, and others showing around 10% slower. It also depends on the RAM.

Great, AND he has to buy faster ram at current prices to get less downgraded performance,while 750Ti will STILL be faster. You really are a god damned mastermind at spending people's money.

 

[Dinnercore]

GPU wise I have to agree with @cucker tarlson , it does not really make sense to invest in an iGPU that will do you no good. That is more a thing for build where you never really plan to heavily game on in the first place. As soon as you put a dedicated GPU in there, you threw away money on the iGPU. I´d rather go for the ryzen CPU option, sell the card op has and try to get something better. 20k Cloudgate on the Vega iGPU? My GTX260 is getting close to that...

Edit: In the end I´d say, with that tight budget you need to stop listening to any of us and watch your local market. Look out for deals and if a steal comes up, go for it. From what we suggest on here, we all argue from our local prices. Like for me the 2200g is 30€ more expensive then the 1200g because of the iGPU, elsewhere it might be that the 2200g nearly the same price, completly negating what I said about it.

 

[dgianstefani]

Ok so let's boil it down so the mentally impaired can understand.

Upgrading to Ryzen APU system by selling his current CPU, Mobo/RAM and GPU and putting in the cash he has for an upgrade results in:

3x faster CPU performance, plus support for the latest OS's.
Benefits of DDR4 over DDR2, both speed and capacity.
Parity in GPU performance.
All of the benefits of having a modern, quad core platform over a 10 year old dual core.
Future benefits of DX12/Vulkan in multi gpu support (he can still utilise the Vega 11 even after he gets a proper discrete card).
Platform benefits such as I/O, PCIe Gen etc etc.

Against:
Keeping current system and upgrading GPU to a 2 generation old mid range card or "upgrading" to a slightly newer 8 year old CPU and living with the 750ti, no upgrade money, and a system that's still old.

It's been stated by the OP that increasing his budget is not an option. He can't afford buying a new Ryzen system unless he sells his GPU alongside the rest of his stuff. If he does sell his GPU, buying a non APU Ryzen won't be an option since he won't have graphics.

 

[dgianstefani]

Nice argument, very well put. So convincing.

 

[Durvelle27]

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-750-Ti-vs-AMD-RX-Vega-11-Ryzen-iGPU/2187vsm401440
https://technical.city/en/video/GeForce-GTX-750-Ti-vs-Radeon-RX-Vega-11

There are others. Most trade blows, with some putting the Vega 11 at about .5% faster, and others showing around 10% slower. It also depends on the RAM.

So your argument is based off a site that doesn’t actual test GPUs but only compares specs. Which specs mean nothing in real world performance.

Buying a Ryzen APU is just a complete waste of time

Let’s see CPU is no faster than a i3, IGP Sucks for gaming at 1080p, cost is more expensive as you have to have dual channel RAM at atleast 3000MHz or your just crippling the IGP to the point of making it useless

I think you need to more research before posting how people are trolls when you don’t even know what you are talking about yourself

Overall at the OPs budget his options are severely limited and the suggestion of a New Pentium 4T is the best option for his budget. You can’t beat the performance of it for the price and still have room later to upgrade to a i5 or i7

Ryzen Non APUs are great CPUs and offer decent performance but that just won’t fit into OPs budget unless he can wait and save a little longer as even selling his current build won’t yield much back as it’s too old to be worth buying.

 

[silentbogo]

Yes selling stuff for a newer downgrade is really smart.

Trading a ticking timebomb for a stable platform is 100% worth it in my books. Even if it's the worst-case 30% hit on GPU performance for Vega11 (assuming his C2D wasn't bottlenecking the whole system at all on GTX750Ti), you still get 2 years warranty, platform support 'till 2020, drivers support 'till next decade, minimal risk of burning VRMs, exploding caps and overheating components and a shitton of other reasons. I'm not against used hardware, but at some point or certain age risks outweigh all benefits including low-cost.

 

[dgianstefani]

There's benchmarks on both sites, learn to scroll down. The Userbenchmark site has over 4500 users who tested their Vega 11, that not a big enough pool for you?

A CPU that's no faster than an i3 is still 3x faster than what he currently has. 4 Cores is fine for low end gaming and will be fine for the next few years.

Since when is fast dual channel ram a downside?

You're actually suggesting a dual core part with HT that adds 30% equiv performance of a real core against a true quad core and calling me the troll? Wow.

 

[Tatty_Two]

Keeps things civil please otherwise I will issue holidays for one or two of you, and to ensure no further insults are thrown in anyone's direction reply bans are now in issue also so that some can take a step back, I have no objections to arguments, I do to public insults and pissing contests.

 

[Durvelle27]

There's benchmarks on both sites, learn to scroll down. The Userbenchmark site has over 4500 users who tested their Vega 11, that not a big enough pool for you?

A CPU that's no faster than an i3 is still 3x faster than what he currently has. 4 Cores is fine for low end gaming and will be fine for the next few years.

Since when is fast dual channel ram a downside?

You're actually suggesting a dual core part with HT that adds 30% equiv performance of a real core against a true quad core and calling me the troll? Wow.

Yea I’ll take user benchmarks with a grain of salt. I rather read actual trusted review sites from reputable reviewers testing in real world conditions in a fair manner.

Going by TPUs very own database the Vega 11 relative performance is 49% behind a stock GTX 750 Ti

Yes I am as the Pentium even out spaces that of a Ryzen 3 1200 and both can be OC’d

And when it comes to games true cores vs SMT means nothing if the game can’t even utilize above a certain amount of cores.

Push come to shove the Pentium is still over 50% faster than his current C2D and can still go toe to toe with a Ryzen 3 at stock clocks while costing under $70

 

[Vayra86]

Trading a ticking timebomb for a stable platform is 100% worth it in my books. Even if it's the worst-case 30% hit on GPU performance for Vega11 (assuming his C2D wasn't bottlenecking the whole system at all on GTX750Ti), you still get 2 years warranty, platform support 'till 2020, drivers support 'till next decade, minimal risk of burning VRMs, exploding caps and overheating components and a shitton of other reasons. I'm not against used hardware, but at some point or certain age risks outweigh all benefits including low-cost.

This. I agree.

As for the vibrant discussion of a 750ti versus a 2200G or 2400G: the reason to do this and sell the 750ti is to increase the budget available. It seems some people here have forgotten OP came in with a 160 dollar budget. There is a 30-35 dollar price gap between a Pentium G (2c/4t) and a full fat quad core WITH an IGP that is reasonably within range of the current GPU. He can easily get 45-55 bucks for a clean 750ti. Its a great HTPC card - and you have to consider that a new GT 1030 costs WAY more (about 2x) than this. That is profit on a tight budget and it allows him to upgrade sooner rather than later. In the meantime, he has a CPU+GPU that can be sold off for a better part when budget allows, or he can just stick a faster GPU in there that won't be bottlenecked anymore by the CPU.

Its not the 'best' raw performance path, but definitely the most budget friendly one. 'Best' can come in many flavors here, don't forget that. Forking over benchmarks that compare CPUs under a 1080ti in gaming performance really isn't useful for OP.

Beyond that, its not our choice to make No need to get all emotional I would think. Its just advice.

 

[silentbogo]

Going by TPUs very own database the Vega 11 relative performance is 49% behind a stock GTX 750 Ti

That depends on the test set, but still 49% is not anywhere near the real number (especially since no one re-tested GTX750Ti apples-to-apples in all gaming titles against Vega 8 or Vega 11 just for the proper GPUDB ranking).
I've only seen one such specific review on gecid.com, in which they've came down to 30% difference in DX11 or older titles, and 22-23% average. When it comes to DX12 and Vulkan, the difference is minimal (in some cases like Wolfenstein II, GTX750Ti even fails to run the game properly).
https://translate.google.com/transl..._ti_i_radeon_rx_460/?s=all&edit-text=&act=url

 

[27MaD]

Z68 and z77 are for overclocking

Now let's suppose that i went for the 2550K but with a mobo that doesn't support overclocking , is it possible to overclock it via the FSB ? i mean can i hit around 4 GHz by setting the FSB to 118 (118 x 34) instead of (100 x 34) ?
I am talking about Asus H61M-E.

 

[Durvelle27]

Now let's suppose that i went for the 2550K but with a mobo that doesn't support overclocking , is it possible to overclock it via the FSB ? i mean can i hit around 4 GHz by setting the FSB to 118 (118 x 34) instead of (100 x 34) ?
I am talking about Asus H61M-E.

No as Intel made sure the H Series were locked down so any overclocking is limited to Z boards

 

[27MaD]

No as Intel made sure the H Series were locked down so any overclocking is limited to Z boards

Looks like i have to save an extra 40$ for the GA-Z77M-D3H , because i will feel like an idiot if i didn't make the 2550K fry , i mean it's really sad to own a CPU that can do up to 4.6 - 4.8 GHz (5 GHz sometimes) , and keep it running at 3.4 GHz.

 

[eidairaman1]

Now let's suppose that i went for the 2550K but with a mobo that doesn't support overclocking , is it possible to overclock it via the FSB ? i mean can i hit around 4 GHz by setting the FSB to 118 (118 x 34) instead of (100 x 34) ?
I am talking about Asus H61M-E.

Bclk limited

 

[27MaD]

Bclk limited

Sorry but is the Bclk something similar to the FSB ? this is the first time i hear about something called Bclk.

 

[eidairaman1]

Sorry but is the Bclk something similar to the FSB ? this is the first time i hear about something called Bclk.

Base clock.

 

[Artas1984]

Core i5 2500K stock is faster than Pentium G4560 in programs and games. There was not a single program or game where Pentium won, thought the difference was smal. And yes, Pentium G4560 beats the crap out of FX-6100 in games! I had Core i5 2500 and Pentium G4560 directly to compare, so believe my words. It pains me to see that Core i5 2550K will be wasted in a POS H61 motherboard with no OC capabilities...

 

[27MaD]

Core i5 2500K stock is faster than Pentium G4560 in programs and games. There was not a single program or game where Pentium won, thought the difference was smal. And yes, Pentium G4560 beats the crap out of FX-6100 in games! I had Core i5 2500 and Pentium G4560 directly to compare, so believe my words. It pains me to see that Core i5 2550K will be wasted in a POS H61 motherboard with no OC capabilities...

Yes i will put this in my mind , i will take a Z77 instead of the H61 .

He can easily get 45-55 bucks for a clean 750ti

Well , i bought this used GPU from ali express for 60$ , here in my country it's pretty hard to buy a used 750 TI for less than 70$ , even some sellers ask for 80-110$ !!!!! , i mean i can get a 760 for 85$ , so yeah used GPUs here are extremely overpriced ( even the new GPUs) . ( and i am The beneficiary )

 

[Mussels]

Yes i will put this in my mind , i will take a Z77 instead of the H61 .


Well , i bought this used GPU from ali express for 60$ , here in my country it's pretty hard to buy a used 750 TI for less than 70$ , even some sellers ask for 80-110$ !!!!! , i mean i can get a 760 for 85$ , so yeah used GPUs here are extremely overpriced ( even the new GPUs) . ( and i am The beneficiary )

a lot of the ones on ali express are fakes, which often goes un-noticed by people who've never had a genuine one to compare to, so they think cards perform worse than they should and often blame other hardware

 

[Durvelle27]

Core i5 2500K stock is faster than Pentium G4560 in programs and games. There was not a single program or game where Pentium won, thought the difference was smal. And yes, Pentium G4560 beats the crap out of FX-6100 in games! I had Core i5 2500 and Pentium G4560 directly to compare, so believe my words. It pains me to see that Core i5 2550K will be wasted in a POS H61 motherboard with no OC capabilities...

I wouldn’t consider the 2500K faster more like on par with a 2C/4T in multithreaded apps and slower in single threaded apps

Overall the Pentium is much faster in single thread apps and on par in multithreaded apps while being a 2C/4T and it has much better features and newer tech that can be used later like USB 3.0 and NVME

It just don’t see the investment in old dated hardware that’s already becoming obsolete. If anything OP should wait until he has a real budget he can work with

 

[27MaD]

a lot of the ones on ali express are fakes, which often goes un-noticed by people who've never had a genuine one to compare to, so they think cards perform worse than they should and often blame other hardware

Every thing as it should be. not a scam .

 

[FreedomEclipse]

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Every thing as it should be. not a scam .

Run benchmarks and compare it with other 750ti results on the internet

 

[BH_TP]

I'd jump to AM4, get a 2200G.

 

[27MaD]

Run benchmarks and compare it with other 750ti results on the internet

Benchmarked it using unigine heaven and userbenchmark , the score was very similar with the other 750TI