ID-Cooling FROZN A620 PRO SE

[ARF]

Yeah but I got the AK 620 Digital just for the looks and fancy display, not performance.

Why don't you buy a PC case with a display?

See Hyte Y70 https://hyte.com/store/y70?v=305

The cooler and potentially its mediocre performance could be the most annoying thing.

I will do the opposite. Not quite happy with the Arctic Freezer 34 eSports DUO (4 direct-touch heat pipes, but a Ryzen with chiplets), will be replaced by TLR PS 120 EVO with 7 anti-gravity modern heat pipes, and a solid base to make sure all of the heat pipes would take some load...

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

Why don't you buy a PC case with a display?

See Hyte Y70 https://hyte.com/store/y70?v=305

The cooler and potentially its mediocre performance could be the most annoying thing.

I will do the opposite. Not quite happy with the Arctic Freezer 34 eSports DUO (4 direct-touch heat pipes, but a Ryzen with chiplets), will be replaced by TLR PS 120 EVO with 7 anti-gravity modern heat pipes, and a solid base to make sure all of the heat pipes would take some load...

Direct Touch heatpipes are better again in theory but only when the heat they are soaking up is adequate. If 1 heatpipe sits on the Cores that 1 heatpipe can only absorb so much heat. While the IHS helps smooth that heat transfer out the problem is only 1 heatpipe is relatively speaking getting that heat. But using a well machined base the heat transfer to the heatpipes is more uniform and spreads that heat more effectively to the fins. Also getting an HDT base machined well is far more difficult there are typically voids and issues all one needs to do is look at Corsair cooler from a few years ago.

Also HDT design on bigger coolers can as the Corsair demonstrated cause compatibility issues with various motherboards where a heatpipe actually sits on a capacitor causing uneven pressure and heat transfer. The fact is a proper based that fully enclosing the heatpipes does a better job distributing heat to said numerous heatpipes. It also gives enough extra clearance to avoid conflicts.

This is why HDT is typically used on smaller and less expensive coolers it does a good job but as you go bigger and scale up it becomes a liability.

 

[Chrispy_]

Direct Touch heatpipes are better again in theory but only when the heat they are soaking up is adequate. If 1 heatpipe sits on the Cores that 1 heatpipe can only absorb so much heat. While the IHS helps smooth that heat transfer out the problem is only 1 heatpipe is relatively speaking getting that heat. But using a well machined base the heat transfer to the heatpipes is more uniform and spreads that heat more effectively to the fins. Also getting an HDT base machined well is far more difficult there are typically voids and issues all one needs to do is look at Corsair cooler from a few years ago.

You said what I said in clearer English.
This is why I don't write reviews!

 

[Sunny and 75]

They could have picked a different name for it as this could be confused for the Deepcool AK620

This^

I'm 100% positive that getting search result matches when people search for the AK620 was the idea they were aiming for.

Sure.

 

[Vayra86]

Can you recommend good fans? Some with more interesting shapes, and higher airflow?

Im a simple guy. The majority of fans are fine. BeQuiet, Fractal, Noctua, Phanteks all make great fans. People overcomplicate PC DIY way too much

 

[Sunny and 75]

Im a simple guy. The majority of fans are fine. BeQuiet, Fractal, Noctua, Phanteks all make great fans. People overcomplicate PC DIY way too much

The same.

 

[ARF]

Im a simple guy. The majority of fans are fine. BeQuiet, Fractal, Noctua, Phanteks all make great fans. People overcomplicate PC DIY way too much

Have they invented a silent PC without fan stop?
Only the bequiet noise dampened cases are very quiet, but the fans themselves are quite pitiful, to be nice with them.

 

[Onasi]

@ARF
If it moves, be it a fan-blade or bearing - it makes noise. If the air moves through something with any kind of decent speed - it makes noise. This is simple reality of physics. The only reasonably achievable way of making a silent PC is without fans at all like those projects that essentially use an entire case as a heatsink for components. Or, I guess, submerging your hardware in mineral oil akin to what Linus did once. Both avenues have obvious drawbacks.

Now, this is me taking “silent” literally. For all intents and purposes a modern case with decent fans set up to a quiet curve will already be very good on the noise front. Especially if one is willing to compromise on compute power by going for lower wattage/thermal output components. But reasonably trying to build a LITERALLY silent PC with, say, an i9 and a 4090 is a fool’s errand by itself since you WILL need to cool it somehow. I guess one can side-step the issue completely by moving the PC itself to another room and making a hole in the wall for cables.

 

[ARF]

If it moves, be it a fan-blade or bearing - it makes noise. If the air moves through something with any kind of decent speed - it makes noise. This is simple reality of physics. The only reasonably achievable way of making a silent PC is without fans at all like those projects that essentially use an entire case as a heatsink for components. Or, I guess, submerging your hardware in mineral oil akin to what Linus did once. Both avenues have obvious drawbacks.

I disagree. You can walk silently, without any noise. This means that not the movement itself produces noise, but some of its characteristics - be it the speed, friction, resistance, or something else.
I.e., you can attach a 140 mm fan running at 300 RPM to a heatsink, and the system will be virtually silent.
You also didn't say anything about the heat pipes, thermo-electric element of Peltier, and AirJet. Does any of these produce so high amounts of noise?

 

[Caring1]

Why don't you buy a PC case with a display?

See Hyte Y70 https://hyte.com/store/y70?v=305

I didn't want a dual chamber case or a fish tank.
Also my new case is close to perfect for me.

 

[Onasi]

I disagree. You can walk silently, without any noise. This means that not the movement itself produces noise, but some of its characteristics - be it the speed, friction, resistance, or something else.

You can’t, actually. Below hearing threshold is not silent. And the actual noise produced will depend on a myriad of factors. Pointless comparison anyway.

I.e., you can attach a 140 mm fan running at 300 RPM to a heatsink, and the system will be virtually silent.

I thought we are also attempting actually cooling things along the way? And virtually silent and fully silent are not equal terms. Do pick a lane. I did say already that modern PCs, even relatively high power ones, can be made very quiet.

You also didn't say anything about the heat pipes, thermo-electric element of Peltier, and AirJet. Does any of these produce so high amounts of noise?

Did you just pick random cool terms out of the hat? Heat-pipes are useless on their own for most applications (there’s a reason we pair them with fin stacks), TEC is stupidly inefficient and AirJet is suitable for low power applications only, from what I’ve seen. If “silent or no” is your only yardstick - iPads are computers and are actually fully silent. There. So are some MacBooks and ultra-LP laptops. So by this logic, the answer to your question of

Have they invented a silent PC without fan stop?

is yes, they did. With obvious compromises made, of course. You can use the same compromises to build a fully passive and thus silent desktop PC too, I am fairly sure. Won’t be a particularly powerful one, though. The higher you go in power consumption (which goes hand in hand with performance) - the higher the thermal load, and as such - the harder it is to passively/silently cool the components. Unless there are some sci-fi advancements made in a near future there’s no reason to think this would change.

 

[Vayra86]

Have they invented a silent PC without fan stop?
Only the bequiet noise dampened cases are very quiet, but the fans themselves are quite pitiful, to be nice with them.

Fractal Define is fantastic in noise dampening too. Especially if you run it without HDDs altogether like I do currently.
If you want a silent PC run it passively There is always a noise otherwise, which will eventually make itself heard anyway. Its just a matter of how/ when your ears pick up on it much like posters above are saying. This is my experience too; my PC is more audible at night, when the noises outside have died down. Can barely hear it during the day.

 

[Knight47]

Imagine buying a worse NH-D15 for three times this money. Or five times, if you get the new one.

For that you can place your own god tier fans on this one three times over as well.

Yeah, noctua is only good if you want long time support. I wish we had good budget coolers like this ID-Cooling or Thermalright back than.

I have a Macho somewhere that needs AM5 kit and fan clips for Standard 140mm fans and an Alpenföhn Olymp that needs fan clips for Standard 140mm fans too.

I got fed up with buying coolers every few years so I just went ahead and bought the D15S four years ago, Noctua sent me fan clips for free since the ones supplied with the cooler are made for 120mm spacing holes.

 

[Chrispy_]

I don't see this on the official ID Cooling EUR Amazon store page yet, which is ID Cooling's highest-profile, first-party sales channel, and where most of their stuff appears first.

They're also selling the smaller, inferior A610 for €35 on their official page, which makes me think that this $29.99 price is BS. If the manufacturer isn't selling at their MSRP, how do they expect their MSRPs to actually mean anything? This just stinks of a manufacturer making an unreasonably low MSRP to get more favourable reviews, with no intent to actually sell it at that price.

Don't get me wrong, I like ID cooling's stuff and I've bought a lot of it in the past but their prices shot up and that means they're vastly inferior to Thermalright in most of Europe now, and the tiny A610 for €35 ID-cooling's own page, which competes with sub-€20 Thermalright offerings like the Burst Assassin 120 means that the EUR price of this A620 Pro is likely €50 at the very least.

At €50 it's no competition for a €36 Peerless Assassin, end of discussion.

https://www.amazon.fr/Thermalright-Peerless-PA120-Aluminium-Technology/dp/B09NS9Z5BB

If we see this in Europe at the €35 price point that usually matches a $29 MSRP, then that's great - but all past and present evidence right from the manufacturer's own channels goes against that, so you'll have to forgive my cynicism - it's empirically justified.

This thread just pinged in my notifications and I thought I'd check to see if my cynicism over the $29.99 MSRP and European availability was justfied.

For once, I'm glad to be wrong. This thing is on sale in the UK for £29.99 and €39.99 in Germany. It's not quite as good as the US deal in mainland Europe but pricetracker shows it was selling in France for €34.99 last month too.