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Input lag is killing me

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Lkzz said:
What's that?
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it shows things task manager may be missing, its a legit program and worth a shot

I see nothing in common between you two users, and i see nothing wrong either (no obvious malware, etc) - the foreign language is throwing me off but the program names are fortunately familiar
 
Mussels said:
it shows things task manager may be missing, its a legit program and worth a shot

I see nothing in common between you two users, and i see nothing wrong either (no obvious malware, etc) - the foreign language is throwing me off but the program names are fortunately familiar
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Okay I'll try this, and the only thing in common is Vanguard, also Cortana but mine is desactivated

Mussels said:
it shows things task manager may be missing, its a legit program and worth a shot

I see nothing in common between you two users, and i see nothing wrong either (no obvious malware, etc) - the foreign language is throwing me off but the program names are fortunately familiar
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I'm having some stutter problems on Valorant, but I don't have any of this updates described on https://www.pcgamer.com/au/a-recent...hing-framerates-and-causing-games-to-stutter/

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Gaojibao said:
Your post reminded me of this
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/bafhfe
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i just bought yesterday a new gaming psu 700W (the last thing that i d'idnt change since upgrade). Fortunately i see no difference! i started to play well for about 2 matches valorant, and after that, this weird mousemovement delay begann again.....do you think really that's can be a whole electricity problem :/ :/ i started again to play during the corona beginn (i played from 2002 until 2015 and started in mid 2019 again ), and i leave in this appartment since 3 years. so i cannot compare with my old appartment. i will try to test everything by a friend! i hope it will not be the problem. Best regards

Lkzz said:
Hmmm okay, thanks!
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i tried sysinternasuites. its a long list. i can't make a screenshot. can you open this auto run file ?
 

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No... his weird post about electricity was basically a made up story, the guy himself says in an edit it didnt work.
 
Hey guys, so today I installed the watercooler and put the old SSD back, by now, I didn't have any problems including the BSOD or the fans running after turning the PC off. I will install AI Suite 3 again and see if something happens. Also, I forgot to test CSGO, but if still has the input lag, then is probably something related to Steam games or even CSGO, because my Valorant is totally normal.
 
Lkzz said:
Hey guys, so today I installed the watercooler and put the old SSD back, by now, I didn't have any problems including the BSOD or the fans running after turning the PC off. I will install AI Suite 3 again and see if something happens. Also, I forgot to test CSGO, but if still has the input lag, then is probably something related to Steam games or even CSGO, because my Valorant is totally normal.
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To be honest I'd leave AI suite alone and not install it.. That software causes more issues then you can think of.
 
fullinfusion said:
To be honest I'd leave AI suite alone and not install it.. That software causes more issues then you can think of.
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It's because everytime I play Valorant or any game, I put the fans on fast speed mode, and without AI Suite 3 I'll have to enter on BIOS every single time before and after playing...

walker1989 said:
i just bought yesterday a new gaming psu 700W (the last thing that i d'idnt change since upgrade). Fortunately i see no difference! i started to play well for about 2 matches valorant, and after that, this weird mousemovement delay begann again.....do you think really that's can be a whole electricity problem :/ :/ i started again to play during the corona beginn (i played from 2002 until 2015 and started in mid 2019 again ), and i leave in this appartment since 3 years. so i cannot compare with my old appartment. i will try to test everything by a friend! i hope it will not be the problem. Best regards


i tried sysinternasuites. its a long list. i can't make a screenshot. can you open this auto run file ?
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Actually I installed it, but I don't have idea how this works, it's a long list with a lot of exec files, but I don't know what do I have to do, if you learned or if anyone knows please tell me.
 
Lkzz said:
It's because everytime I play Valorant or any game, I put the fans on fast speed mode, and without AI Suite 3 I'll have to enter on BIOS every single time before and after playing...
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Why?
 
Lkzz said:
Because if I don't, my PC goes very hot, about 60ºC, then I prefer to put on the Fast speed mode
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60C is not hot

set up a fan curve in the BIOS, thats what its there for
 
Mussels said:
60C is not hot

set up a fan curve in the BIOS, thats what its there for
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Basically the same things on BIOS are on AI Suite 3, and it may not be the that hot, but it was on Turbo mode (one before the Fast speed) and yesterday was really cold here, about 14ºC, so imagine if it was a hot day, the CPU temperature would be about 65-70ºC. I wish I could set a config on BIOS where everytime I enter on a game, the fans starts to run faster, is there anyway I can do that? Otherwise I think the best solution would be use the AI Suite 3.
 
Lkzz said:
Basically the same things on BIOS are on AI Suite 3, and it may not be the that hot, but it was on Turbo mode (one before the Fast speed) and yesterday was really cold here, about 14ºC, so imagine if it was a hot day, the CPU temperature would be about 65-70ºC. I wish I could set a config on BIOS where everytime I enter on a game, the fans starts to run faster, is there anyway I can do that? Otherwise I think the best solution would be use the AI Suite 3.
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That's still not hot.
 
Frick said:
That's still not hot.
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Are u sure? Because on my "old computer" like I said on literally the first page, I had a BSOD problem related to high temperature, but if you guys are saying. I will uninstall the AI Suite 3 and run some tests on CSGO and during some days to see if the Input lag and the BSOD problems stopped. If yes, I don't have idea what was causing the problem, cause I literally just changed my SSD to run some tests, and change my watercooler. Also I turned off the HDD that was malfunctioning , but that was last week and I even after that I was having the same problems. @walker1989 I think that your problem is a little bit different than mine, I think you should open a new thread and give more detailed information so we can help. Of course I'm not sure if I solved my problem yet, but I believe we're very close.
 
Lkzz said:
Are u sure? Because on my "old computer" like I said on literally the first page, I had a BSOD problem related to high temperature, but if you guys are saying. I will uninstall the AI Suite 3 and run some tests on CSGO and during some days to see if the Input lag and the BSOD problems stopped. If yes, I don't have idea what was causing the problem, cause I literally just changed my SSD to run some tests, and change my watercooler. Also I turned off the HDD that was malfunctioning , but that was last week and I even after that I was having the same problems. @walker1989 I think that your problem is a little bit different than mine, I think you should open a new thread and give more detailed information so we can help. Of course I'm not sure if I solved my problem yet, but I believe we're very close.
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Silicon handles temperatures around 100°C just fine. AMD's GPUs have 110°C max junction temperatures, Intel CPUs have something similar. Chips might clock higher and leak less current (i.e. run more efficiently) at lower temperatures, but the differences are very small, and these things are handled automatically by the chips, and need zero user intervention. AMD chips have set maximum thermal limits that they will clock down (and potentially throttle, i.e. go below base clock) if they exceed, but you are nowhere near those, and even running pegged at those limits is entirely unproblematic - the reason for the limits is that these are safe temperatures for constant loads. Most laptops run at or near 100°C under any type of load.

60°C, especially for a CPU (GPUs are easier to cool at the same power draw) is quite cool. 70°C is entirely unproblematic. 80°C is getting warm, but still fine in every way.
 
Valantar said:
Silicon handles temperatures around 100°C just fine. AMD's GPUs have 110°C max junction temperatures, Intel CPUs have something similar. Chips might clock higher and leak less current (i.e. run more efficiently) at lower temperatures, but the differences are very small, and these things are handled automatically by the chips, and need zero user intervention. AMD chips have set maximum thermal limits that they will clock down (and potentially throttle, i.e. go below base clock) if they exceed, but you are nowhere near those, and even running pegged at those limits is entirely unproblematic - the reason for the limits is that these are safe temperatures for constant loads. Most laptops run at or near 100°C under any type of load.

60°C, especially for a CPU (GPUs are easier to cool at the same power draw) is quite cool. 70°C is entirely unproblematic. 80°C is getting warm, but still fine in every way.
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Okay then, but I thought that with this Masterliquid 360L on a cold day shoud be less than 60ºC, but alright...
 
Lkzz said:
Okay then, but I thought that with this Masterliquid 360L on a cold day shoud be less than 60ºC, but alright...
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CPUs are difficult to cool due to their high thermal density (the actual cores that consume the vast majority of power are really small) plus the relative inefficiency of having an IHS rather than doing direct-die cooling. Compared to a GPUs, where the heat load is distributed evenly across nearly the entire die and the cooler contacts the die directly, you'll see much lower load temperatures on a GPU with the same level of cooling. That's why overclocked 150-250W CPUs need bonkers cooling yet OC'd 400W GPUs can get away with a 240mm rad (or even a 120 in a pinch, like the Fury X). In my water loop, my CPU (5800X) can spike up to above 70°C depending on the load, but my GPU barely ever breaks 40 - yet the GPU is after the CPU in the loop, so theoretically it should be getting heated up by the water coming off the CPU. (It's worth mentioning that my CPU block isn't particularly good though.) I could get things a bit cooler, but I prefer to run my fans as quietly as possible, and none of the thermals worry me whatsoever.

But tl;dr: keeping any moderately high power draw CPU below 60°C under all-core loads is nearly impossible.
 
Valantar said:
CPUs are difficult to cool due to their high thermal density (the actual cores that consume the vast majority of power are really small) plus the relative inefficiency of having an IHS rather than doing direct-die cooling. Compared to a GPUs, where the heat load is distributed evenly across nearly the entire die and the cooler contacts the die directly, you'll see much lower load temperatures on a GPU with the same level of cooling. That's why overclocked 150-250W CPUs need bonkers cooling yet OC'd 400W GPUs can get away with a 240mm rad (or even a 120 in a pinch, like the Fury X). In my water loop, my CPU (5800X) can spike up to above 70°C depending on the load, but my GPU barely ever breaks 40 - yet the GPU is after the CPU in the loop, so theoretically it should be getting heated up by the water coming off the CPU. (It's worth mentioning that my CPU block isn't particularly good though.) I could get things a bit cooler, but I prefer to run my fans as quietly as possible, and none of the thermals worry me whatsoever.

But tl;dr: keeping any moderately high power draw CPU below 60°C under all-core loads is nearly impossible.
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Yeah you're right
 
Lkzz said:
Okay then, but I thought that with this Masterliquid 360L on a cold day shoud be less than 60ºC, but alright...
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modern PC's run hotter than old PC's, they're designed to run safely at it

I've got a high end watercooling system on my 5800x here and it runs at 85C in benchmarks, and thats completely normal for it
 
Mussels said:
modern PC's run hotter than old PC's, they're designed to run safely at it

I've got a high end watercooling system on my 5800x here and it runs at 85C in benchmarks, and thats completely normal for it
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Ok then, I just need to run the input lag test tomorrow and use the PC normally during some days to see if the bsod stopped. But I like the result
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... those front fans are backwards

in fact all the fans are weird, wth
 
Mussels said:
... those front fans are backwards

in fact all the fans are weird, wth
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back to front airflow? must be the new trend with the hipsters haha

rad fans upside down? can't tell because they blend in
 
Watch this entire thing be a fan orientation issue all along.

OP, you might wanna check how everything is pushing air.
 
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