Intel Arc B580

[kapone32]

I'm a bit confused here, maybe I misunderstood W1zzards message. But why does it matter which own the right now/implemented it as a standard? AMD found a way to introduce something cheap that almost did the same thing. Why argue about something this pointless. It's a win for amd (and us) in my book at least.

was already mentioned by me in #262 (Freesync)

Well then I will use AMD software. It is so good that Nvidia has copied it for an alleged 15% performance tax.

 

[LittleBro]

That depends on what you mean by "Standby". If you're talking about low-power sleep mode during an active OS session, than then maybe. If you're talking about when the display is not receiving an active signal due to the connected system being powered off, then no. In "Powered Off" mode, the display will draw less than 2.5W(IIRC) as per US regulations, which became mandatory in the US a number of years ago and were adopted world-wide soon thereafter.

Monitors

www.energystar.gov

Displays Key Product Criteria

www.energystar.gov

Thus. Read, learn.

Good grief! And people call ME condescending?

There are norms, standards, regulations, but despite all that shit indeed sometimes happens. Btw, US energy regulations are a joke, EU requires less than 1W, I think 0.5W to be precise is the newest norm. JayzTwoCents found out that GSync module continued to consume 14W when monitor got to state when display along with it's illumination were not operating due to missing input signal. Now it's up to you to do your own magic and process this statement as your very own way of thinking desires.

Also, this was interesting:

NVIDIA Confirms Clock Speed, Power Increases at High Refresh Rates, Promises Fix - PC Perspective

NVIDIA Confirms Clock Speed, Power Increases at High Refresh Rates, Promises Fix Last month I wrote a story that detailed some odd behavior with NVIDIA's

pcper.com

I'm a bit confused here, maybe I misunderstood W1zzards message. But why does it matter who owns the tech/software now/implemented it as a standard? AMD found a way to introduce something cheap that almost did the same thing. Why argue about something this pointless. It's a win for amd (and us) in my book at least.

It was to point out that W1zzard's statements regarding how AMD found a way to VRR standard and then handled it to VESA to standardize was not based on the truth.
Adaptive Sync was specified by VESA more than year sooner than any AMD FreeSync happenned. And even VESA's own statements refutes his statement. You can't f*ck with history, after all.

 

[GerKNG]

I have a theory why the card crashes randomly with the voltage slider maxed or near to max.
when i have HWINfo or GPU Z open on my second monitor and the card crashes, it freezes for 5-10 seconds before the PC Reboots.
Every time the last frame on my GPU-Z Window shows that the GPU hits the Powerlimit very hard and dropped only the voltage but not the core clock.

Example:
Stock = 1045mv 2850MHz

+50% Voltage = 1100mv 3000MHz
+100% Voltage = 1195mv 3150MHz

when the card hits over 215W it drops the clocks down to ~2950MHz but keeps to Voltage at 1.195V but when it locks up and hard crashes the last frame shows 3150MHz at 1.095V instead.
it looks like the throttling behaviour is broken.

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

I only see NVIDIA advancing technology in major ways

And ignoring their main intention, to keep you locked into their hardware. Hence limiting your option as a consumer.
I dont know how old you are, but I am old enough to remember when reviewers would advice consumers to steer away from lock-in tech and savvy consumers would heed such calls.

Hell, PhysX was their first push for this BS and they were called out and the industry fought it with proper open options.

I personally dont care for upscaling, but if I had no choice but to use it and we have the current options, I will always use the one that works for everyone, instead of the one that takes away my options, even if such option is not the absolute best.

I'm a bit confused here, maybe I misunderstood W1zzards message.

But why does it matter who owns the tech/software now/implemented it as a standard?

It matters because W1zzards is trashing AMD efforts, their pro consumer impact being ignored and now typical of the current tech media, to praise all the anticonsumer crap that Ngreedia pulls.

 

[W1zzard]

I dont know how old you are

Considering that I've been running this site for 20 years and have been in this industry for close to 25 years, I'm at least 25. But I don't think age matters. If you have to resort to personal attacks just because I don't say what you want to hear I think the issue is somewhere else

Trust me, I hope that AMD can do better in the future, they must, or we'll be paying 1000 bucks for a RTX 7050 in a few years and I can close the site because nobody will care about GPUs anymore. Well, actually I'd have to rebrand to AIPowerUp and test enterprise stuff. Comments will be friendlier, I'm sure

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

Considering that I've been running this site for 20 years and have been in this industry for close to 25 years, I'm at least 25.

So I am way older than you and congrats on being able to keep a tech site alive for so long. Not an easy task.

But I don't think age matters.

In this case, it does, I am using it on the prefix of the old adage "Those who forget history, tend to repeat it"

If you have to resort to personal attacks

That was not a personal attack, was a simple part of a sentence, stablishing a parameter that explained the point that I made co-relate to age and time.

just because I don't say what you want to hear I think the issue is somewhere else

Sorry but in this case, its not what I want to hear, is what you decided to ignore.

Trust me, I hope that AMD can do better in the future,

Same here and I went one extra step in purchasing their GPU, regardless of all the negative press that they keep getting.
And I have zero complaint about my previous 6900XT and the current 7900 XTX.

they must, or we'll be paying 1000 bucks for a RTX 7050 in a few years

Now I will need royalty payments on that, because I said (and trademarked it) that a while ago.

Comments will be friendlier, I'm sure

Nah, count on people to continue bitching and attacking others to defend their favorite mega corporation that has shown zero care for your needs.

 

[nageme]

have been in this industry for close to 25 years, I'm at least 25.

I think a safer lower-bound is 30-35, assuming a wunderkind.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Nah, count on people to continue bitching and attacking others

Irony!

There are norms, standards, regulations, but despite all that shit indeed sometimes happens. Btw, US energy regulations are a joke, EU requires less than 1W, I think 0.5W to be precise is the newest norm. JayzTwoCents found out that GSync module continued to consume 14W when monitor got to state when display along with it's illumination were not operating due to missing input signal. Now it's up to you to do your own magic and process this statement as your very own way of thinking desires.

Also, this was interesting:

NVIDIA Confirms Clock Speed, Power Increases at High Refresh Rates, Promises Fix - PC Perspective

NVIDIA Confirms Clock Speed, Power Increases at High Refresh Rates, Promises Fix Last month I wrote a story that detailed some odd behavior with NVIDIA's

pcper.com

None of that supports your conjecture. Just throwing it out there.

 

[BastyTH]

And ignoring their main intention, to keep you locked into their hardware. Hence limiting your option as a consumer.
I dont know how old you are, but I am old enough to remember when reviewers would advice consumers to steer away from lock-in tech and savvy consumers would heed such calls.

Hell, PhysX was their first push for this BS and they were called out and the industry fought it with proper open options.

I personally dont care for upscaling, but if I had no choice but to use it and we have the current options, I will always use the one that works for everyone, instead of the one that takes away my options, even if such option is not the absolute best.



It matters because W1zzards is trashing AMD efforts, their pro consumer impact being ignored and now typical of the current tech media, to praise all the anticonsumer crap that Ngreedia pulls.

btu nvidia wins now since they can force devs to prioritize DLSS over FSR like in dragon dogma 2. u get DLSS 3 but FSR still 2. there also many devs that only optimized for amd and that why 4070 wins over 7800xt with less 30% raw power.
now nvidia confirmed to use pci-e 5 that we already have for few years. while amd still stick to higher latency pci-4 but still make 8x card. intel already made cheap $100-150 pci-e 5 board
what really kill the chip is 128bit ram bus and 8x pci-e if it 4.0
nvidia also not stingy on L2 cache unlike rx7000 that reduced L3 to almost same size as nvidia's L2 in mid/low tier card
they all sell at same price here so there no benefit choosing amd. while i had been waiting super SIMD so that it can be true UDNA (formerly planed for RDNA5 but everything can be changed)