Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger Retires, Company Appoints two Interim co-CEOs

[Broken Processor]

I wasn't a fan of his because he didn't fix the interdepartmental infighting that caused some very talented people to leave and scuppered beast core but let's be real he was CEO for less than four years so probably had very little involvement into realised product's released in his time at the top but I'm guessing his scalp was needed to try and stop the market souring even more and hopefully bolster confidence in Intel with the added benefit of all little core design goes with him hopefully.

I doubt him leaving will bolster gaming or enthusiast segment because they could make 8 and 12 large core monolithic chips and be at the top of those segments but they won't because we are a niche market. And it's very telling when neither AMD or Intel have released monolithic versions for gaming in the interim as it's well known the latency caused with chiplets doesn't play nice with games and we could have still been using monolithic for that purpose.

 

[Kapone33]

You can tell who the fanboys are if they are saying Pat did a good job. Here are a few examples.

1. Losing the CPU war. Remember when he made fun of AMD for going to Chiplets. Then the removal of AVX 512 and the degradation of 13th and 14th gen from pushing too much voltage to seem competitive

2. The Marketing lean. Intel told us that Arc was going to compete and it didn't. More recently they marketed the IGPU in the MSI Claw as being an alternative to the Steam Deck but the reviews showed us that they are still behind.

3. Pricing. Once AMD caught them on productivity they used Gaming as a support but then X3D came out at 65 Watts and destroyed that. Now we have the slowest new CPU from them and where I live a 285K will set you back $849. That is more expensive than a 7950X and about $300 more than a 7800X3D. Now 9000 has launched but within months the performance has increased by at least 15%. Is the 285K getting BIOS updates to improve performance?

Don't even get me started on when people were denying that 13th Gen and 14th gen were degrading claiming that those that were saying it was BS. Like the Level 1 video where he tells us they basically asked them for help.

In the mean time. AMD went from $4 a share to whatever it is now and Nvidia is the most valuable company in the World.

For me Pat has been the worst CEO we have seen since whoever was leading IBM. At least I did not say Sun Microsystems.

I wasn't a fan of his because he didn't fix the interdepartmental infighting that caused some very talented people to leave and scuppered beast core but let's be real he was CEO for less than four years so probably had very little involvement into realised product's released in his time at the top but I'm guessing his scalp was needed to try and stop the market souring even more and hopefully bolster confidence in Intel with the added benefit of all little core design goes with him hopefully.

I doubt him leaving will bolster gaming or enthusiast segment because they could make 8 and 12 large core monolithic chips and be at the top of those segments but they won't because we are a niche market. And it's very telling when neither AMD or Intel have released monolithic versions for gaming in the interim as it's well known the latency caused with chiplets doesn't play nice with games and we could have still been using monolithic for that purpose.

So I have a 7900X3D and City Skylines 2. I get 60+ FPS at 4K when my city is over 800,000. Are you suggesting that the 5800x3D is faster than my 7900X3D?

 

[qlum]

While he may not be responsible for the architectures that got released during his time as CEO, as it takes quite some time to develop. He is still responsible for the 13th / 14th gen fiasco.

He may not have been dealth the best cards, and if he improved intel enough, we will see in the coming years, but he certainly has not beenperfect.

 

[phanbuey]

Unless they buy an x86 license holder company, no way they can compete in Desktop space, relax.

ehhhh.... im not sure how much of a barrier x86 really is. They will probably nail the translator.

 

[RandallFlagg]

In the tick-tock-optimisation cycle, Raptor Lake was what? More cache, more E cores, improved ring bus speed, maybe a few other very minor optimisations. It could have been more. Millions of man-hours of capable engineers passed by between Alder and Raptor launches.

Raptor lake was ~20% faster than Alder Lake, is what. That's an entire generational leap.

This was crucial in maintaining their desktop advantage.

Even today, there's really just a smidge of difference between a Raptor Lake and a Zen 5, and Zen 4 wasn't faster.

I suppose if you're cheering for AMD, you probably really hated to see Raptor Lake be this good.

 

[GerKNG]

I expected that for a while now.
these are the best news about intel in a long time.

 

[Vya Domus]

you probably really hated to see Raptor Lake be this good.

* With 50% more cores, slower cores but nonetheless, this is not impressive. Should AMD ever go the E core route as well, which is sadly bound to happen at some point, they'll demolish them.

 

[RandallFlagg]

* With 50% more cores, slower cores but nonetheless, this is not impressive. Should AMD ever go the E core route as well, which is sadly bound to happen at some point, they'll demolish them.

Games aren't known for using the E-cores much.

Games @ 1440p:

Like I said, the AMD fanboi's really hated to see Raptor Lake be this good.

 

[qcmadness]

Games aren't known for using the E-cores much.

Games @ 1440p:
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Like I said, the AMD fanboi's really hated to see Raptor Lake be this good.

Intel is doing a great job that they have removed 3 CEOs in 10 years and stock price tanked by more than 50%. Losing unit and revenue market share constantly to AMD.

Pat is a scarp goat from the previous mistakes.
I feel sorry about him.

But as for Intel, they are really in trouble.
A 3nm-class CPU core (Arrowlake) which is over 25% larger than Apple M4 P-core has a lower IPC than a 4nm-class AMD Zen 5. Zen 5 is also smaller than Arrowlake.
This is the definition of "trouble".

 

[panos96pap]

The funny thing is , people criticize something they don't know anything about. Consumers are going to be consumers.

 

[phanbuey]

Games aren't known for using the E-cores much.

Games @ 1440p:
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Like I said, the AMD fanboi's really hated to see Raptor Lake be this good.

That was initial windows 11 testing... since then raptor lake performance tanked by 15% and AMD performance improved by 10-15%. Coming from an Intel Raptor Lake enthusiast.

 

[Lew Zealand]

Games aren't known for using the E-cores much.

Games @ 1440p:
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Like I said, the AMD fanboi's really hated to see Raptor Lake be this good.

Is 2.5% faster supposed to be "good"? It's not negative like Intel's current gen but it's pretty much noise, like the non-X3D Ryzen 7000-9000.

 

[L'Eliminateur]

this is NOT the news my intel stock portfolio wanted to hear, ffs, i'm like a investment plague. These intel stock went "here, hold my shit cpu" to my Boeing stocks...

i'm surprised they kicked him( "retired" yeah right) so fast and so hard when they had hailed him to be the intel messiah to get intel out of the shithole it was in prior with "suit CEOs" with him being an engineer CEO with intel from the beginning, i feel like he got the ceo position barely a year ago(it was probably ages ago...).

But it's true that intel cannot stop fucking up, their gamble with e-cores is a total failure, i'm amazed people buy that crap that belong in a celeron as a premium expensive CPU that instead of advancing performance they go slower "but with more cores". That's the same tactic that sparc made with their super multithreaded "light thread" CPUs that were an utter failure. Instead of advancing IPC intel releases slow celerons as "premium" cpus.

They divested business units left and right, their DC business maintains the market share by inertia but every Q they lose ground to AMD, their "AI" roadmap is a mess with cancelled products all over(ponte vecchio... all the "arc for datacenter" crap).

Not to mention the bugs and problems with self-destructing CPUs.

This does not bode well, unless you want to buy their stock cheap, HODL for 10 years and see what happens

 

[Event Horizon]

Potentially the best tech news all year (depending on who will permanently replace him).

 

[kondamin]

I still tend to be cautiously optimistic. Stock price is up. We can ridicule naive and stupid shareholders and market analysts all we want, they have information most people don't have.

Most shares are bought and sold by machines, intel making it in to international general media is what is pushing up those shares

But sure, maybe battlemage is a decent product that sells and 18A could be a good process that allows them to produce a lot of chips at a good price.

 

[Vya Domus]

Games

Your chart was for applications not games and it doesn't really matter because AMD got Intel soundly beaten in that area without using E cores or a lot of cores in general and high TDPs.

What I am pointing out is that Intel's main advantage in non gaming scenarios comes from having more cores and that advantage could easily be wiped out by AMD should they want to.

 

[Nhonho]

What an early Christmas present for Intel shareholders. It's going to be the happiest Christmas of their lives...

 

[GoldenX]

Good, no more bible quoting.

 

[Kapone33]

Raptor lake was ~20% faster than Alder Lake, is what. That's an entire generational leap.

This was crucial in maintaining their desktop advantage.

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Even today, there's really just a smidge of difference between a Raptor Lake and a Zen 5, and Zen 4 wasn't faster.

I suppose if you're cheering for AMD, you probably really hated to see Raptor Lake be this good.

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You act like power draw was not on the same scale. I remember watching a MSI Gaming video and the 3090/13900K combo was drawing over 1000 watts in some Benchmarks. There is no rationale where the power draw increase should be lauded for the performance increase. They turned the CPUs up to 11 that is all. Like tilt on a pinball machine.

 

[Dave65]

Anyone think another CEO or CEO's can turn it around?
Or is it more about innovation?

 

[Nhonho]

Good, no more bible quoting.

Even Intel shareholders who aren't religious are saying "Thank you, God!" today.

 

[AusWolf]

A financial person steps down, another financial person steps in as interim. Where are the engineer bosses? Will Intel never learn?

 

[AnotherReader]

A financial person steps down, another financial person steps in as interim. Where are the engineer bosses? Will Intel never learn?

Pat Gelsinger is an engineer.

 

[Kapone33]

Anyone think another CEO or CEO's can turn it around?
Or is it more about innovation?

If they appointed someone like Jim Keller but he is already a CEO.

 

[mama]

Too many swings and misses under his leadership. Meteor Lake was a disaster. I appreciate that he tried to turn around the culture in Intel of failing to deliver in a timely way. This led to the abandonment of some development in favour of the next step on the roadmap. But maybe that is a mountain too steep to climb.