Intel Core i5-12400F

[bug]

How do I fix that? I'm not aware of a way to control Thread Director?

Process affinity/process lasso. In case of single threaded tests, like SuperPi, just disable the E cores.
And yeah, you should have to do any of that ITD should be smart enough to do this for you. If Intel doesn't fix that soon, it will ruin ADL and their entire heterogeneous architecture.

 

[Cowboystrekk]

From TPU's testing the 5600G no OC is 8% slower (with OC the difference drops to around 4%) than 5600x. If we put your estimate into the equation, 5600g No OC is 6% slower than 12400F. So that is not a lot. With 5600G OC you clearly approaching 2%-3%. 5600x does not use more energy. Not according to TPU. It varies by around 5watts leaning towards one or the other. No clear winner here.
You dont need b550 for Ryzen. B450 is ok even B350 would be enough in some cases. These boards go for $60 or around.
Faster in rendering and then slower in compression decompression with 7zip. I'm focusing in general performance and not cherry picked benchmarks.
Better stock cooler? How is that evaluated it is better? by the CPUs temp? Maybe 5600x just runs hotter that's it.
There is a lot of misleading in your +points for me.

Sure, when they are here but they are not here yet and we dont know the price.
Also, you are talking about new systems, I'm sure for those who have an older 2000 series CPU and, for instance, B450 board which supports 5600x they would rather lean towards just the CPU instead buying an entire system. Maybe there isnt a lot of these people though.

Okay, 6% may be closer to the truth, but 12400 is still faster than 5600G and costs less. If you plan on using iGPU 5600G is superior vs 12400. I`ve done indepth testing of 5600X and 12400F: Tweaked i5 12400F meets tweaked 5600X! | TechPowerUp Forums

If you use stock cooler on 5600X allcore frequency drops if temp rises above 70C. In Cinebench stock cooler runs at 4.3GHz with curve optimizer vs 4.6GHz with Noctua D15. i5 12400F does not throttle if temp is above 70C, in CB temp lies around 75-80C with stock cooler and no powerlimit, 4GHz allcore no matter if temp is 60 or 80C.

Efficiency in CB for instance: 12400 uses max 71W, 5600X uses 76W, 12400 scores 1000 points higher. In games I generally observe 5W lower consumption vs 5600X.

You could use a B450 og B350 (and lose PCIe 4.0 so okay if you don`t use fast nvme or Radeon 6500\6600), but still where I live 12400F+B660 ends up cheaper. If price were equal I would say 5600X wins if performance is top priority, but 12400 runs cooler, a bit more efficient and is better at some apps like rendering.

 

[Mussels]

It is when the 5600G costs significantly more.

Now i wont say that $60 isnt small, but the mobo and ram prices are much bigger

 

[ratirt]

Okay, 6% may be closer to the truth, but 12400 is still faster than 5600G and costs less. If you plan on using iGPU 5600G is superior vs 12400. I`ve done indepth testing of 5600X and 12400F: Tweaked i5 12400F meets tweaked 5600X! | TechPowerUp Forums

If you use stock cooler on 5600X allcore frequency drops if temp rises above 70C. In Cinebench stock cooler runs at 4.3GHz with curve optimizer vs 4.6GHz with Noctua D15. i5 12400F does not throttle if temp is above 70C, in CB temp lies around 75-80C with stock cooler and no powerlimit, 4GHz allcore no matter if temp is 60 or 80C.

Efficiency in CB for instance: 12400 uses max 71W, 5600X uses 76W, 12400 scores 1000 points higher. In games I generally observe 5W lower consumption vs 5600X.

You could use a B450 og B350 (and lose PCIe 4.0 so okay if you don`t use fast nvme or Radeon 6500\6600), but still where I live 12400F+B660 ends up cheaper. If price were equal I would say 5600X wins if performance is top priority, but 12400 runs cooler, a bit more efficient and is better at some apps like rendering.

You are focusing only on one scenario. People buy new computer. That's not always the case especially in AMD's world. For Intel sure, there arent a lot of options to upgrade you need a new platform.
3-4% is not a lot. That also depends what resolution you are playing at. Depends on the market and nowadays the GPU market sucks so 5600G has a huge merit here, since you literally can play with that CPU. Even if you want to buy a dGPU you may not get it immediately. What I'm saying is it really depends. 6% deference in performance is nothing. 12400F may be faster by a notch but that doesnt mean everyone should go for it because the entire platform turns out to be $60 or around cheaper and it is faster 6% because you wont even notice the difference. I'm just painting a bigger picture here.

It is when the 5600G costs significantly more.

You need the entire platform for a 12400f for 5600g not necessarily so it depends on your situation and before you discredit this idea, it does have a merit to me.
Also there are cheaper boards that 5600g would work perfectly fine with. Price for these boards is way cheaper than a board for 12400f and that difference in price between the 2 CPU is literally gone.
Not to mention. The 5600g costs around $295 in Norway vs $230 for the 12400F

Now i wont say that $60 isnt small, but the mobo and ram prices are much bigger

True that.

 

[Cowboystrekk]

You are focusing only on one scenario. People buy new computer. That's not always the case especially in AMD's world. For Intel sure, there arent a lot of options to upgrade you need a new platform.
3-4% is not a lot. That also depends what resolution you are playing at. Depends on the market and nowadays the GPU market sucks so 5600G has a huge merit here, since you literally can play with that CPU. Even if you want to buy a dGPU you may not get it immediately. What I'm saying is it really depends. 6% deference in performance is nothing. 12400F may be faster by a notch but that doesnt mean everyone should go for it because the entire platform turns out to be $60 or around cheaper and it is faster 6% because you wont even notice the difference. I'm just painting a bigger picture here.


You need the entire platform for a 12400f for 5600g not necessarily so it depends on your situation and before you discredit this idea, it does have a merit to me.
Also there are cheaper boards that 5600g would work perfectly fine with. Price for these boards is way cheaper than a board for 12400f and that difference in price between the 2 CPU is literally gone.


True that.

Of course I would go 5600X or 5600G if upgrading from another ryzen, but buying new is a different matter. It looks like Raptor lake will be supported on B660 and AM4 is at the last gen, that is another reason to consider 12400F.

 

[ratirt]

Of course I would go 5600X or 5600G if upgrading from another ryzen, but buying new is a different matter. It looks like Raptor lake will be supported on B660 and AM4 is at the last gen, that is another reason to consider 12400F.

Of course it is a different matter and for a 12400F that's the only matter because there is no other way. You can't use 12400f in any of the previously released boards. Even if you want to use DDR4 Memory you still need to buy new board. This accounts for a huge + to 5600g which makes it actually cheaper.
CPU vs CPU sure, the 12400F wins but you cant picture it that way cause you can't only the 12400F, you need an entire platform and in that aspect, 5600G is cheaper or at least equal in price.

 

[Gameslove]

Overall great a CPU for that price 180$.

Good: No E-cores helps avoid compatibility issues

Bad: No E-cores.

How understand this?

 

[bug]

Of course I would go 5600X or 5600G if upgrading from another ryzen, but buying new is a different matter. It looks like Raptor lake will be supported on B660 and AM4 is at the last gen, that is another reason to consider 12400F.

That's debatable. First gen Zen doesn't run on the same boards as Zen3+. And if you're already on Zen2+/3, upgrading to Zen3+ is hardly worth it.
So yeah, in most cases you're still looking at the cost of a whole PC.

One caveat when talking about mid or low end CPUs: these are still reviewed on high-end mobos using the fastest RAM, which is not how they are usually paired. You need to account for that, especially if planning on using the IGP.

 

[ExcuseMeWtf]

Overall great a CPU for that price 180$.

Good: No E-cores helps avoid compatibility issues

Bad: No E-cores.

How understand this?

Depends on OS. If Windows 11, see bad. If Windows 10 or older, see good. Dunno about other OS.

 

[Anymal]

Dear Mr. Sorcerer, wen i3 12100 review?

Kind regards!

 

[bug]

Overall great a CPU for that price 180$.

Good: No E-cores helps avoid compatibility issues

Bad: No E-cores.

How understand this?

I think what @W1zzard meant is that not having E cores means you don't need to worry about running these on Win10 (pro), but ideally you would want to have E cores, too (con).
I'm not sure I agree. E cores give a little boost in multithreaded scenarios, but idle power isn't any better than Zen. I haven't seen the power measured in light load scenarios, though.

 

[Why_Me]

Dear Mr. Sorcerer, wen i3 12100 review?

Kind regards!

Intel Core i5-12400F

with B660 , Can you OC this CPU? maybe @W1zzard can confirm this feature from asrock mainboards (apparetly present in H and B mainboard series), this can give more frecuency without blck :)

www.techpowerup.com

 

[ratirt]

I think what @W1zzard meant is that not having E cores means you don't need to worry about running these on Win10 (pro), but ideally you would want to have E cores, too (con).
I'm not sure I agree. E cores give a little boost in multithreaded scenarios, but idle power isn't any better than Zen. I haven't seen the power measured in light load scenarios, though.

I think it is not so wise to put not having ecores as bad or good. This CPU is simply an option without those. If you want ecores you go for a different CPU.
What I'm saying here, presence of e-cores should not be considered as something good or bad. It's just an option in case you dont need e-cores. If you do, you dont go for 12400F.

 

[Sithaer]

You can go B450 if you don't need PCIe 4.0, that will save you 20-30usd vs B550, but 12400F combo will still be cheaper and perform very close.

I'm not interested in buying CPUs in the price range of the 5600X and even the 12400 is out of my budget, just wanted to mention that where I live the price difference is like that between the 2.
For my use case/needs the 12100 is the best budget value CPU currently, my B350 mobo supports Zen 2 max and even the second hand 3600/x is kinda overpriced nowadays and honestly not worth it like this.

So at this point I'm considering saving up a bit more and just straight out switch to a new platform which will serve me easily 4 years again if not more. 'built my current one in 2018'

If I can sell my current mobo+cpu then I can make the switch with 180 $ or so which I'm willing to pay but it still depends on a thing or two so I'm waiting till ~March.

 

[Why_Me]

I'm not interested in buying CPUs in the price range of the 5600X, just wanted to mention that where I live the price difference is like that between the 2.
For my use case/needs the 12100 is the best budget value CPU currently, my B350 mobo supports Zen 2 max and even the second hand 3600/x is kinda overpriced nowadays and honestly not worth it like this.

So at this point I'm considering saving up a bit more and just straight out switch to a new platform which will serve me easily 4 years again if not more. 'built my current one in 2018'

If I can sell my current mobo+cpu then I can make the switch with 180 $ or so which I'm willing to pay but it still depends on a thing or two so I'm waiting till ~March.

What country are you located?

 

[ratirt]

I'm not interested in buying CPUs in the price range of the 5600X, just wanted to mention that where I live the price difference is like that between the 2.
For my use case/needs the 12100 is the best budget value CPU currently, my B350 mobo supports Zen 2 max and even the second hand 3600/x is kinda overpriced nowadays and honestly not worth it like this.

So at this point I'm considering saving up a bit more and just straight out switch to a new platform which will serve me easily 4 years again if not more. 'built my current one in 2018'

If I can sell my current mobo+cpu then I can make the switch with 180 $ or so which I'm willing to pay but it still depends on a thing or two so I'm waiting till ~March.

I dont know what the price range is where you live between 12400f and 5600x but B350 might be able to work with the 5600x. It is still cheaper to buy just the 5600x than a 12400F with a motherboard. At least that is the case where I live.

 

[Xuper]

Hope @W1zzard , Publish next article about benchmark of Tweaked ( 5600X vs 12400F )

 

[Sithaer]

What country are you located?

Hungary.

I dont know what the price range is where you live between 12400f and 5600x but B350 might be able to work with the 5600x. It is still cheaper to buy just the 5600x than a 12400F with a motherboard. At least that is the case where I live.

I generally don't really buy CPUs that cost more than 180 $, thats what I paid for my 1600X in 2018 and thats my upper budget limit for a CPU alone.
12400F is ~249 $ and the 5600X is ~370 $ and no my mobo does not support it according to the mobos's CPU support list with the latest Bios.

Second hand 3600/x goes for 190 $ or so but its actually beaten by the 12100 in gaming and thats pretty much all I care about, don't do any productivity or work related stuff on my PC and I kinda need a CPU with better IPC/Single thread than what I have now. 'I do play crappy optimized games that rely on that more than core count'

To put in a different perspective.
If I sell my current mobo+cpu and buy a B660+12100 that will cost me at the end between 160-180 $ in total.
If I keep my B350 and only sell the 1600X and buy a 3600 then that will cost me ~ 110-120 $.

So ye I rather save up that ~50-60 $ and switch to a new platform with better IPC and upgrade path and has fresh warranty for 3 years.

 

[vMax65]

In the UK the cheapest B660 board is £104 coupled to a £179 12400F (12500 is £200) you are looking at around £283 which is not bad at all especially if you can re-use your ram and DDR4 is so cheap anyway at the moment. The 5600X is £319 so they really need to drop the 5600X's price. Not sure why AMD have given up on the low to mid end of the CPU market as even the 12600K is £278 and the 12600KF is £269 and the 12600 is just £230 and it is way better than the 5600X. Hopefully AMD will drop prices and even better they need to release a low to mid stack Ryzen 4...

 

[Why_Me]

Hungary.



I generally don't really buy CPUs that cost more than 180 $, thats what I paid for my 1600X in 2018 and thats my upper budget limit for a CPU alone.
12400F is ~249 $ and the 5600X is ~370 $ and no my mobo does not support it according to the mobos's CPU support list with the latest Bios.

Second hand 3600/x goes for 190 $ or so but its actually beaten by the 12100 in gaming and thats pretty much all I care about, don't do any productivity or work related stuff on my PC and I kinda need a CPU with better IPC/Single thread than what I have now. 'I do play crappy optimized games that rely on that more than core count'

To put in a different perspective.
If I sell my current mobo+cpu and buy a B660+12100 that will cost me at the end between 160-180 $ in total.
If I keep my B350 and only sell the 1600X and buy a 3600 then that will cost me ~ 110-120 $.

So ye I rather save up that ~50-60 $ and switch to a new platform with better IPC and upgrade path and has fresh warranty for 3 years.

That's a pretty big difference in price.

https://www.alza.hu/intel-core-i5-12400f-d6939807.htm
Intel Core i5-12400F 74 790 Ft

https://www.alza.hu/amd-ryzen-5-5600x-d6205102.htm
AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 120 590 Ft

 

[Sithaer]

That's a pretty big difference in price.

https://www.alza.hu/intel-core-i5-12400f-d6939807.htm
Intel Core i5-12400F 74 790 Ft

https://www.alza.hu/amd-ryzen-5-5600x-d6205102.htm
AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 120 590 Ft

I'm not a big fan of Alza but they usually have the new stuff first but yea prices are very similar in other big E/Retailers too like where I buy my new stuff for ~14 years already:
https://www.pcx.hu/intel1700_processzor
https://www.pcx.hu/amd_am4_processzor

Anyway I'm still thinking about it but the 12100 has a high chance on my list and from what I can expect/see it will land for about 140 $ here.

 

[ratirt]

I generally don't really buy CPUs that cost more than 180 $, thats what I paid for my 1600X in 2018 and thats my upper budget limit for a CPU alone.
12400F is ~249 $ and the 5600X is ~370 $ and no my mobo does not support it according to the mobos's CPU support list with the latest Bios.

I'm just saying, the support list for 5000 series CPUs might be extended to B350 boards as well.
I understand you but you wont be buying only 12400f but also a board. If you can get a board and 12400F for less than what you would have to pay for just a 5600x you might be right. Check 5600G as well. This one is cheaper as well.

 

[thelawnet]

@W1zzard please correct:

"As of this writing, Intel decided against launching the H670 client chipset, " - launched and shipping

". The H610 is the bare entry-level chipset. You lose out on memory overclocking, only get Gen3 PCIe connectivity across the board, and no CPU-attached NVMe."

Every H610 motherboard has PCIE 4.0 x 16 slot. M.2 connectivity is where you lose out, as it's indeed limited to PCI 3.0 (x4 for the first M.2, and x2 for the second, found only on the Asus Prime E/A).

I also found the article slightly confusing because all the graphs contain three bars, which I don't think are explained anywhere?

These are:

Red: DDR5-4800 CL40
Green: 2.5/4.4GHz
Blue: Power limits removed

I assumed the green was DDR4, because I didn't think anyone would be crazy enough to pair this thing with DDR5 RAM, but I checked more, and I guess in fact Green is the $550 RAM you used (DDR5-6000, CL36), and DDR5-4800 represents the manufacturer's max specs for the chip (hence DDR5-6000 is overclocked), but I'm not really clear why the CL has been reduced to CL40. At any rate it would be a lot clearer if it said DDR5-6000 CL40 for the green bars, instead of 2.5/4.4 GHz, which are just the manufacturer's standard specs, so not really a variable here.

In terms of the RAM recommendations, " My recommendation would be a DDR-3600 CL16 kit—easy to acquire and super affordable." , it looks like for 2x8GB/2x16GB:

* DDR4-3200 CL16 - $51/$98
* DDR4-3600 CL16 - $78/$154

It's not really clear to me that this is worth it or not, having chosen the cheapest CPU in the line-up, to spend 50% more on RAM?

Further, we could note that if you DID buy the 3200MHz RAM, then it would run at max speed with an H610 motherboard, which is $40 cheaper than a B660, and given the fact that you find almost no performance advantage from lifting the power limits (impossible on the H610?), then this chip becomes in the real world a lot more sensible because it doesn't really seem that great to spend $150 on a board for a $180 CPU and say it's far cheaper than a (faster) $280 CPU with an $80 board.

The price of the motherboards seems to be the elephant in the room, where with the launch of the 5600X you could use an existing motherboard with new BIOS, whereas for this you are forced to use a new generation board which will cut out a lot of the price savings.

I mean.... The B660 is definitely better than H610, but when you are buying a cut-down chip then you are obviously trying to save money, so I expect to see a bunch of pre-built PCs with 12400f + H610m.

The other point, incidentally, that I'm trying to figure out is which CPUs do end up throttled by the power limits (117W across the i5 non-k chips). The IGP is rated at 15W? So maybe an i5-12500/12600 (non-k) would be throttled during gaming on IGP?

 

[bug]

I'm not a big fan of Alza but they usually have the new stuff first but yea prices are very similar in other big E/Retailers too like where I buy my new stuff for ~14 years already:
https://www.pcx.hu/intel1700_processzor
https://www.pcx.hu/amd_am4_processzor

Anyway I'm still thinking about it but the 12100 has a high chance on my list and from what I can expect/see it will land for about 140 $ here.

There's also the option of not buying on release and paying the early adopter tax. Not that you don't know that already.

 

[Sithaer]

There's also the option of not buying on release and paying the early adopter tax. Not that you don't know that already.

Yup, I'm not doing that since there are certain things that I will need to check myself in February, namely a specific game relase and then decide around early March if I'm making the switch or not.
By then there should be more affordable half decent B mobos to pick from and hopefully the i 3 price will settle too.

I'm just saying, the support list for 5000 series CPUs might be extended to B350 boards as well.
I understand you but you wont be buying only 12400f but also a board. If you can get a board and 12400F for less than what you would have to pay for just a 5600x you might be right. Check 5600G as well. This one is cheaper as well.

That is true but its kinda moot point, even the 12400F is out of my budget/comfort zone and my use case don't really need it either so the 12100 is good enough and later down the line I can always sell it and upgrade if needed.
Updated B350 well, I wouldn't hold my breath for that and even then the 5000 serie CPUs are just overpriced here. '5600G is ~310 $'

Anyway waiting for the 12100 review to be posted on TPU cause thats what I'm mainly interested in tho I already know that its pretty solid for its price, based on Gamers Nexus's/Steve's review.