Intel Core i5-13600K

[ShiningSapphire]

In short, 13600K scrapped 7700X and 7600X a month after their release. Uhh this must hurt AMD...

 

[r9]

Same performance as 7900x if you average productivity and gaming for lot less if you don't mind melting the whole system down. lol
I don't care for power consumption so would just pair it with some budget mobo and some cheapo DDR4 ram.
Not sure what's the actual difference ddr4 vs ddr5 for these chips.

 

[Valantar]

very funny put in the 4090 update drivers

... And what about the other 36 CPUs? Or do you just want 13600K+4090 results with no comparisons?

 

[InVasMani]

Performance is respectable the efficiency is unreasonable especially power unlimited Intel chased benchmark scores too much and threw efficiency out the window. Mixed feelings on this CPU given the wattage. I'd like to see how it behaves with power limits and undervolting and maybe tinkering with multipliers on each core type. I get the impression the P cores were pushed too aggressively on boosts while E cores could have had a little more manual scaling balancing between base and boost frequencies. It's still impressive that it pretty much beats not just the 12700K, but also the 12900K. The power draw is however very foolish and disheartening. If it wasn't for the poor power consumption I'd say Intel really did great, but I can't overlook that big of a difference in wattage at idle and max power.

 

[Space Lynx]

Thermalright LGA1700-BCF Contact Frame Review : Can it tame Raptor Lake’s heat?

Impressive temperature reduction for those impacted by CPU bending

www.tomshardware.com

I want to see if my Vetroo V5 cooler would benefit from this little gizmo. Not sure really. Only benefits some heatsinks, so if anyone with raptor lake has a Vetroo V5 let me know. I was originally going to use the V5 as a backup cooler, as it only cost me $21 or something. If temps are good enough though, and since i am only running stock and casual gaming, it may just fine for my needs. I am still tempted to get something better though.

 

[Dyatlov A]

Fixed, thanks!


Running last tests at 5.6


Just to add to that, you can run Raptor Lake with an old BIOS just fine, I tried (before BIOS updates were available). So you don't need a loaner CPU

How is than possible in certain cases faster at stock, than with fixed 5.6GHz? As i know in stock should boost only to 5.1GHz, that means a massive 500mhz difference.

update,
thx, i see without games much faster at 5.6GHz. Very awesome CPU and very good tests. Lookimg forward to see once again with 4090.

 

[Space Lynx]

Performance is respectable the efficiency is unreasonable especially power unlimited Intel chased benchmark scores too much and threw efficiency out the window. Mixed feelings on this CPU given the wattage. I'd like to see how it behaves with power limits and undervolting and maybe tinkering with multipliers on each core type. I get the impression the P cores were pushed too aggressively on boosts while E cores could have had a little more manual scaling balancing between base and boost frequencies. It's still impressive that it pretty much beats not just the 12700K, but also the 12900K. The power draw is however very foolish and disheartening. If it wasn't for the poor power consumption I'd say Intel really did great, but I can't overlook that big of a difference in wattage at idle and max power.

I don't understand why all of you keep hating on this cpu. Seriously, 90% of people buying this cpu are buying it for gaming. In gaming at stock it run at what 71 celsius on average based on the review with a weak heatsink (noctua u14), with a 280mm AIO which is common these days for your average gamer, this will be a 60 celsius gaming cpu. and wattage is average at stock, it's really only when its overclocked its quite bad imo.

better than getting less fps with 95 celsius on a zen4 chip.

 

[chowow]

... And what about the other 36 CPUs? Or do you just want 13600K+4090 results with no compdo you

... And what about the other 36 CPUs? Or do you just want 13600K+4090 results with no comparisons?

OK! go check how many processors were there in the original review GO CHECK work done

 

[Tek-Check]

better than getting less fps with 95 celsius on a zen4 chip.

Incorrect. Zen 4 in gaming does not hit top temperatures. Just look at very demanding Cyberpunk.
13600K sould be great for gaming on good value systems. There is no doubt about it.
I expected it to be more performant in applications than 7700X, considering it's 14 core CPU.

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

I don't understand why all of you keep hating on this cpu. Seriously, 90% of people buying this cpu are buying it for gaming. In gaming at stock it run at what 71 celsius on average based on the review with a weak heatsink (noctua u14), with a 280mm AIO which is common these days for your average gamer, this will be a 60 celsius gaming cpu. and wattage is average at stock, it's really only when its overclocked its quite bad imo.

better than getting less fps with 95 celsius on a zen4 chip.

A coupla tings. First, the NH-U14s isn't really a weak heat sink, second, the 7600x and 7700x run a smidge cooler than the 13600k while gaming, and lastly there's a 5% performance difference between all three. They're all good choices. It's all good my brudda. Enjoy the '600k.

PS - Don't let the naysayers bring you down. No matter what you buy, somebody's going to call you an idiot for doing it. (Alder Lake & Zen 4 owner here) F 'em.

 

[Vader]

Intel and Amd differences in performance are smaller every generation, yet people continue to argue with the same intensity as if either choice were a clear cut above the other. Just chill out because there is no bad choices here, and thanks to TPU folks with edge cases have enough info to understand which one should they pick.

 

[FreezingPC]

better than getting less fps with 95 celsius on a zen4 chip.

There is a graph with the temps for several CPUs, you just need to check them.
Games aren't your cinebenchs or blenders, you need to screw up the thing to get the 90°c...

based on the review with a weak heatsink (noctua u14)

This cooler is nearly 10 years old and can not only give the 7950x a run for his money but also without sounding like a jet engine.
"weak" isn't the good word to define this cooler...

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X Cooling Requirements & Thermal Throttling

High temperature seem to be an issue on the new Ryzen 7000 processors. We're pairing a Ryzen 9 7950X with a $10 stock cooler, a Noctua air-cooler and a 420 mm AIO to get a feel for what the differences are like in terms of °C, MHz and performance in both applications and games.

www.techpowerup.com

 

[docnorth]

Watch that power draw.
Nope, nopity NOPE.

What a clown world we live in.

I am so glad I upgraded to my current system, I was worried that I would be done in by both this generation from Intel and AMD's, but this platform will last a good while yet and I have options to make my power draw even more friendly while keeping my performance and temps in check.

What power draw? It is higher than 7700x, but still very reasonable. It seems OC even on Intel is almost only for fun, the boost algorithms took over...
Whole system cost now seems to favor Intel, but this is volatile.

Btw your current system is indeed something you should be glad about.

 

[Valantar]

OK! go check how many processors were there in the original review GO CHECK work done

... I did. In the gaming tests there are 37 CPUs. Or are you asking for a 4090 review with this CPU? 'Cause that's an entirely different thing - but you'd once again be left without comparisons, unless you want to re-test every relevant GPU on that new test platform, which is again hours and hours and hours of work. Swapping GPUs is easier and quicker than swapping CPUs, but it's still a big job.

 

[Sithaer]

Let’s see what the 13400 cpu can do if the 13600k can be this powerful

Same here, patiently waiting for the 13400 reviews/launch to compare it with the 12400. 'also depends on the pricing where I live'
Pretty much the only 2 CPU I would be willing to upgrade to from my 12100F which does everything I do currently just fine.

Unless some leaks are true and we will get a 6/12 i 3 Raptor lake too, that could be an interesting option.

 

[docnorth]

Can someone explain to me what

• Some workloads get scheduled onto wrong cores

in the negative side of the review is talking about? I read 90% of the review, but did not come across this being talked about directly, anything I need to worry about as a casual gamer who just bought a 13600k?

The one is virtualization, like @W1zzard said. Maybe cryptography too, both AES and SHA3, page 14.

 

[Denver]

Well, I think the i5 is a much more attractive product than the i9 in every way.

A point to consider: @W1zzard are you still using the old rpcs3 code without optimizations for Zen4 ?

 

[InVasMani]

I don't understand why all of you keep hating on this cpu. Seriously, 90% of people buying this cpu are buying it for gaming. In gaming at stock it run at what 71 celsius on average based on the review with a weak heatsink (noctua u14), with a 280mm AIO which is common these days for your average gamer, this will be a 60 celsius gaming cpu. and wattage is average at stock, it's really only when its overclocked its quite bad imo.

better than getting less fps with 95 celsius on a zen4 chip.

Oh I'm sorry for not shilling for Intel harder by only painting them in a positive light, but that's for it's laid off marketing team to do.

 

[RedBear]

Please help me understand the m.2 SSD situation, from what I understand installing an m.2 SSD will cripple the GPU which seems ridiculous. Is it only true for Gen5 SSDs or any PCIe drive has this effect? Say I install my 660p (gen3) in the m.2 slot alongside the 3080 (gen4), would it still castrate the GPU or is it only a problem of mixing with gen5 GPUs ang gen5 SSDs?
If there's a simple answer in the review, I must have missed it - if that's the case I'd be much obliged for pointing me to the right place.

I think W1zzard gave a good explanation at the end of the article about PCIe scaling for the RTX 4090; answering your question in short, it's true for any SSD, as long as you use that m2 slot with PCIe Gen 5 lanes coming from the CPU, but as it's been explained above by ncrs this feature hasn't been implemented in every motherboard to begin with.

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On the CPU itself, energy efficiency aside these are impressive results, AMD might eventually reclaim the gaming primate with the X3D variants of Zen 4, but Intel's 13600K will probably still hold the crown for the performance-to-price ratio. Let's see if it will be enough to recover market margins next year.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

with a 280mm AIO which is common these days for your average gamer,

I'm not convinced this is true.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Well I instantly regret buying that 12700K last week, even at $300.

The freaking 13600K is a monster for $330.

Crushed everything at games except 13900K.

Beat everything short of 7900X / 12900K in apps.

At least I have a good upgrade path now.

AMD is going to have to lop $100+ off their 7600X and 7700X, and $200 off the 7950X/7900X for them to make any sense whatsoever.

 

[Space Lynx]

A coupla tings. First, the NH-U14s isn't really a weak heat sink, second, the 7600x and 7700x run a smidge cooler than the 13600k while gaming, and lastly there's a 5% performance difference between all three. They're all good choices. It's all good my brudda. Enjoy the '600k.

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PS - Don't let the naysayers bring you down. No matter what you buy, somebody's going to call you an idiot for doing it. (Alder Lake & Zen 4 owner here) F 'em.

I don't call getting 50 fps more in Age of Empires 4 at 1080p and 30 fps more in Far Cry 6 a 5% difference (yes I still game at 1080p and sometimes 1440p it varies between game). It's fine that AMD has a selection of games that bring the average down to 5%, but most games do favor Intel, in fact I would bet money if we looked at games in the last 10 years, vast majority of them will see great gains with a 13600k vs a zen4 chip. but since only new games are ever tested, that's why we only see the 5% average.

true UH14 isn't weak I suppose, I think the U12A and NH-D15 are the better two of Noctua though. I am considering a U12A for my rig actually at the moment. I bet I can bring that stock 71 celsius down to 61 celsius or lower with a mild bump in the fan curve with a U12A. we will see soon enough I expect.

 

[P4-630]

Does anyone know if I disable ecores, will it improve temps in gaming?

This is what I get when playing GTA V, core 8,9,10 and 11 are the E-Cores, they only get up to 43 degrees.
Max temp on core 7, just 55 degrees... This is with 21.5C ambient temp. Ofcourse with these temps there is no need to disable the E-Cores...

The E-cores in the taskmanager from bottom right to left.

 

[Space Lynx]

This is what I get when playing GTA V, core 8,9,10 and 11 are the E-Cores, they only get up to 43 degrees.
Max temp on core 7, just 55 degrees... This is with 21.5C ambient temp. Ofcourse with these temps there is no need to disable the E-Cores...
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The E-cores in the taskmanager from bottom right to left.

I decided I won't disable them. Since I am just a casual gamer I don't expect I will run into any issues.

 

[RandallFlagg]

I'm not convinced this is true.

Probably more along the lines of the average X or K series chip buyer. AIOs are quite common.

These don't cost much more than a high end air cooler.

The biggest expense you will have with a 13600K is getting a GPU than can keep it busy, at least for now.