Intel Core i7-12700 Geekbenched, Matches Ryzen 7 5800X

[Bomby569]

It will all come down to pricing, unless you just want to shill for a company. I don't care you get's me the better value for my money, if it's Intel i'm fine with it.

 

[Makaveli]

Can you make the table any bigger ... it will be able to be read by the ISS.

haha sorry left the screenshot at its default res.

 

[freeagent]

Haters gonna hate I guess. I am looking forward to new gen Intel. I might not buy it, but the choice is there as long as I have the money

If this was the bump they needed for progression, I cant fault them for trying.

 

[Ellertis]

Haters gonna hate I guess. I am looking forward to new gen Intel. I might not buy it, but the choice is there as long as I have the money

If this was the bump they needed for progression, I cant fault them for trying.

I'm even more pumped with their next Gen coves and impressive ipc increases in the coming years, along with tile based cpus and of course small cores for scaling multi threading

 

[ThrashZone]

Haters gonna hate I guess. I am looking forward to new gen Intel. I might not buy it, but the choice is there as long as I have the money

If this was the bump they needed for progression, I cant fault them for trying.

Hi,
New socket thing is getting really old.

 

[Ellertis]

Hi,
New socket thing is getting really old.

At least they should keep the same for Raptor Lake

 

[Bomby569]

Hi,
New socket thing is getting really old.

sure it sucks, but most people, me included, don't upgrade a cpu every year so it ends up being irrelevant

 

[Punkenjoy]

New sockets are normal when there is a memory technology change (here DDR5 from DDR4). They are not normal when the memory doesn't even change...

 

[ThrashZone]

At least they should keep the same for Raptor Lake

Hi,
Yeah right two chips and a new socket over and over again every 12 months lol

 

[phanbuey]

I think something important to note is the power restriction : 65W vs 105W

But it's Intel 65W.... so it's probably something like 150W then to 125W then to 65W at 90C.

 

[freeagent]

Hi,
New socket thing is getting really old.

On the other hand you have a long standing socket like AM4. And then you buy a top of the line CPU for it thinking yeah the crown of AM4... but then 4 months later they say they are making an even better CPU for it.. Now do that 5 times lol and I'm sure it would get old too

 

[ThrashZone]

On the other hand you have a long standing socket like AM4. And then you buy a top of the line CPU for it thinking yeah the crown of AM4... but then 4 months later they say they are making an even better CPU for it.. Now do that 5 times lol and I'm sure it would get old too

Hi,
I long to be bored enough to want to buy another board for a new chip that can work on an existing board I'm using already lol

 

[freeagent]

For me I was thinking about my 5900X. And their new AM4 CPU's with double the cache.. grrr.

 

[Raendor]

11700 was already in that same range as well and provided similar gaming performance too. I hardly see how that’s any sort of improvement so far.

But it's Intel 65W.... so it's probably something like 150W then to 125W then to 65W at 90C.

That’s just a biased load of crap having nothing to do with real life and how it works.

 

[Ellertis]

11700 was already in that same range as well and provided similar gaming performance too. I hardly see how that’s any sort of improvement so far.


That’s just a biased load of crap having nothing to do with real life and how it works.

It's somewhat true but depends heavily on the board itself, sometimes they out of the box with the power limiter off... so nobody it right then I guess

 

[Bomby569]

This a stupid discussion. AMD tried to lock out CPU's from it's latest motherboard for literally no reason, because they backtracked after people complaint. Just like AMD started to increase their prices over Intel.

People thinking Intel is evil and AMD is so much better are just being plain stupid. They will both srew you if they can, if they are in the top, and "help you", be on your side if they are down. Stop being shils for a company that only cares about your money

 

[freeagent]

top being shils for a company

I own Intel and AMD systems and have been using both on and off since 2002

I do like Nvidia GPU's though.. but I came from ATi.

 

[Raendor]

It's somewhat true but depends heavily on the board itself, sometimes they out of the box with the power limiter off... so nobody it right then I guess

No, it’s not somewhat true. It’s as simple as it gets. At 125w 11700 won’t be hotter than 5800x at similar wattage, but actually cooler due to the die size. If one sets or doesn’t check PL1 and PL2 - it’s not the cpu to blame. Any cpu will be hot at 200w. intel cpus plainly follow whatever ceiling is set and try to boost to highest clock with that limit.

 

[phanbuey]

11700 was already in that same range as well and provided similar gaming performance too. I hardly see how that’s any sort of improvement so far.


That’s just a biased load of crap having nothing to do with real life and how it works.

You're right lol... intel's TDP marketing is totally accurate and not misleading.

Btw I run a 10850k and I am very familiar about how it works in real life.

It is what it is. That tdp number means nothing until a test of power draw is done.

 

[Bomby569]

I own Intel and AMD systems and have been using both on and off since 2002

I do like Nvidia GPU's though.. but I came from ATi.

then don't just quote a part of what i said. AMD tried to pull the same shit you were just criticizing Intel for, got caught and backtracked, and there was no technicall reason to do so as we all seen.
So you tell me, how are you not shilling for AMD?

 

[Raendor]

You're right lol... intel's TDP marketing is totally accurate and not misleading.

Btw I run a 10850k and I am very familiar about how it works in real life.

It is what it is. That tdp number means nothing until a test of power draw is done.

Intel’s tdp is straightforward. If you set Pl1 to 65w - it’ll run it. If 125w - it’ll use that. Btw I run rocket lake cpu and am very familiar with what I set in bios and see during testing.

 

[Ellertis]

No, it’s not somewhat true. It’s as simple as it gets. At 125w 11700 won’t be hotter than 5800x at similar wattage, but actually cooler due to the die size. If one sets or doesn’t check PL1 and PL2 - it’s not the cpu to blame. Any cpu will be hot at 200w. intel cpus plainly follow whatever ceiling is set and try to boost to highest clock with that limit.

My point was to explain that Intel power package actually mean something and their "violation" of the pw limit is mostly mobos guys error. Read a bit higher
EDIT :I'm sorry, my mistake, I replied to you by mistake, I was answering to the other guy named Phanbuey

 

[Bomby569]

who buys a 10850k and he's worried about TDP?

people buying a CPU like that aren't exactly beginners you read TDP numbers as gospel, and if you are a begginer it saying 65 or 500 would mean the same, nothing. Pick a lane, either you care and know it's indicative only, or you don't care and don't care to care.

 

[phanbuey]

Intel’s tdp is straightforward. If you set Pl1 to 65w - it’ll run it. If 125w - it’ll use that. Btw I run rocket lake cpu and am very familiar with what I set in bios and see during testing.

I needed that lol...

It's the least straight forward of all of the chip companies. So I think our definitions of 'straight-forward' are different. Liking your chip <> everything about intel is awesome.

I like my chip too, but it doesn't mean those numbers are straight forward.

 

[Raendor]

I needed that lol...

It's the least straight forward of all of the chip companies. So I think our definitions of 'straight-forward' are different. Liking your chip <> everything about intel is awesome.

I like my chip too, but it doesn't mean those numbers are straight forward.

Then it means you have no idea of how your chip works based on bios values. Once again, it is simple in the statement I made originally. If you set PL1 and PL2 limits (and especially PL1) to specific values - it’ll run exactly this. That’s why my cpu never goes beyond 145w (pl1 and pl2 in bios) and can sustain its all-core boost without downclocking, which is easy to monitor via hwinfo for example. Pretty straightforward.