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[fullinfusion]

Noctua Fans are the shit.

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If you want a complete sleeved cable management kit that fits that psu PM me... I have an untouched kit id sell ya..

 

[schuelertomas]

hej guys, new to this site. 3930k @ 4,3 Ghz here. Have my old fellow for 5-6 years now and REALLY would love to Switch now to something newer but cant somehow justifie it because of the low Margen of powergain.

i guess the 6850k is the comparable new CPU to mine? how much faster would the Thing be if i clocked it to 4,3 Ghz as is mine?


i guess waiting for skylake-x or coffeelake 6 core is what i do though...

 

[Mussels]

hej guys, new to this site. 3930k @ 4,3 Ghz here. Have my old fellow for 5-6 years now and REALLY would love to Switch now to something newer but cant somehow justifie it because of the low Margen of powergain.

i guess the 6850k is the comparable new CPU to mine? how much faster would the Thing be if i clocked it to 4,3 Ghz as is mine?


i guess waiting for skylake-x or coffeelake 6 core is what i do though...

basically, the current hardware has the same performance at lower wattage. anything from 3rd gen onwards (with 1866 or faster DDR3) can keep up - save your money, spend it on SSD's/GPU's and wait.

 

[schuelertomas]

basically, the current hardware has the same performance at lower wattage. anything from 3rd gen onwards (with 1866 or faster DDR3) can keep up - save your money, spend it on SSD's/GPU's and wait.

i somehwere have read that my CPU is marked at 130 watts where the new x-cpus are marked as 140 watts. i know that doesnt Show the whole Picture, so do you have any numbers by Chance how "much" lower wattage i can expect?

thx in advance!

 

[Mussels]

i somehwere have read that my CPU is marked at 130 watts where the new x-cpus are marked as 140 watts. i know that doesnt Show the whole Picture, so do you have any numbers by Chance how "much" lower wattage i can expect?

thx in advance!

you just answered your own question, with those specific models its a 10W difference at load.
Might be better at idle, but for lower idle to make a difference you need the rest of your system to measure up as well (no mech drives, good GPU with low power idle state, single monitor setup, etc)

 

[schuelertomas]

you just answered your own question, with those specific models its a 10W difference at load.
Might be better at idle, but for lower idle to make a difference you need the rest of your system to measure up as well (no mech drives, good GPU with low power idle state, single monitor setup, etc)

wait. MY old System has the 10 watts lower, not the new ones... thats the opposite of what you (rightfully) claimed. understand the confussion?

 

[Mussels]

wait. MY old System has the 10 watts lower, not the new ones... thats the opposite of what you (rightfully) claimed. understand the confussion?

i made a general claim about the generations, and you named two specific examples that contradict it.

In general, the new ones will use less wattage - but if you compare a 130W TDP chip vs a 130W TDP chip, of course they're going to be the same.

 

[peche]

basically, the current hardware has the same performance at lower wattage. anything from 3rd gen onwards (with 1866 or faster DDR3) can keep up - save your money, spend it on SSD's/GPU's and wait.

wise....

wait. MY old System has the 10 watts lower, not the new ones... thats the opposite of what you (rightfully) claimed. understand the confussion?

Please fill Sys specs, i guess no body here knows you hardware...

 

[RealNeil]

hej guys, new to this site. 3930k @ 4,3 Ghz here. Have my old fellow for 5-6 years now and REALLY would love to Switch now to something newer but cant somehow justifie it because of the low Margen of powergain.

I've never owned the 3930K before, but I do have a 6850K here. It's wicked-fast and rock-solid too.

Alas, you haven't filled out your system specs, so we can only guess at what you're running. It's hard to give you the best advice if we're working with incomplete info.

But if it is 5-6 years old, getting new will net you better power handling, newer features that are compatible with today's newer software, and that's worth it to have.
Your PSU (I'm assuming) is older and will need replacing. As someone else said, new M.2 and SSD drives use far less power and give you outstanding performance.
Newer Video cards are using much less power as well. so power saving ~is~ in the cards if you jump now.

It's not all about the CPU's power limit. Everything combines to make it work better and faster.
Another thing to consider is that if you are one of those who still uses Win-7 as your OS, Microsoft is limiting software updates for Win-7 on the newest hardware.
So if you want to continue to get updates for Win-7, (if you're even using that OS) the very newest tech will disallow it.

Maybe this will help you to justify an upgrade.

 

[peche]

have a beer @RealNeil, great help there lad!

Thanks,

 

[schuelertomas]

alright, filled the whole Thing out. my System is pretty new. PSU and all are up to date. graphiccards will be my next update. struggling right now between 1080, 1080 ti or wait for the 1180 end of year... cause whats my realistic next Goal? get a nice 32, 4k Monitor with gsync and min. 90 herz. neither the 1080 nor the 1080 ti can supply something like that sufficiently so i might as well wait till end of the year when there will be nicer Monitors and graphics...

back to the processor: i am Aware that i gain Access to newer Technologies like DDR4 etc. with an Switch to the 6850k. Also the IPC will be higher. in my mind the gap is just still not big enough as i cant recall one single game that my 6 cores at 4,3Ghz couldnt handle well (watchdogs 2 maybe?) and i purly use my Baby for gaming.

another question: i know that you can watch 4k Content on netflix only if you have an new kaby lake processor. do you think/ know if that will also be possible with the coming skylake-x processors? cause technically skylake cant, but they had one more year to implemend it and it is really sth. i would love to use.

 

[peche]

alright, filled the whole Thing out. my System is pretty new. PSU and all are up to date. graphiccards will be my next update. struggling right now between 1080, 1080 ti or wait for the 1180 end of year... cause whats my realistic next Goal? get a nice 32, 4k Monitor with gsync and min. 90 herz. neither the 1080 nor the 1080 ti can supply something like that sufficiently so i might as well wait till end of the year when there will be nicer Monitors and graphics...

well, i see that unnecessary, your GTX 980ti could be solid enough for another 2 generations maybe, i guess you play @ 1080Res, or 1440, for what the card still has plenty horse powers, i guess improving cooling, case or some aesthetics on the rig will be wise than getting a video card that costs a pretty penny ..

back to the processor: i am Aware that i gain Access to newer Technologies like DDR4 etc. with an Switch to the 6850k. Also the IPC will be higher. in my mind the gap is just still not big enough as i cant recall one single game that my 6 cores at 4,3Ghz couldn't handle well (watchdogs 2 maybe?) and i purly use my Baby for gaming.

senseless, your ram still fine, processor and board, the difference or notable improve when upgrading will be less than 30% for moar than $600, no thanks, also for gaming moar than 4C and 4T are useless, now days most games just use 4 cores, sometimes HT its not used at all, so senseless upgrade...and you have plenty ram,16GB its the sweet spot, 32GB its a waste for me,

 

[RealNeil]

Nice specs on your system.
If I were you and wanted more Graphics power, I buy another GPU like the one you already have.
SLI 980Ti cards work great for me. Then, if they start selling single cards that will do 4K correctly, jump on that.

 

[schuelertomas]

well, i see that unnecessary, your GTX 980ti could be solid enough for another 2 generations maybe, i guess you play @ 1080Res, or 1440, for what the card still has plenty horse powers, i guess improving cooling, case or some aesthetics on the rig will be wise than getting a video card that costs a pretty penny ..


senseless, your ram still fine, processor and board, the difference or notable improve when upgrading will be less than 30% for moar than $600, no thanks, also for gaming moar than 4C and 4T are useless, now days most games just use 4 cores, sometimes HT its not used at all, so senseless upgrade...and you have plenty ram,16GB its the sweet spot, 32GB its a waste for me,

- my Monitor specs are also in there ;-) it is WQHD, and my 980 ti is already too weak for most new games to reach 60 FPS. So i would humbly disagree that it is enough. let alone 2 more Generations. although it is easy to see that this depends strongly on personal preferance and how far you are willing to push those sliders into the left direction ( i am not ;-))

- agree on the RAM and processor. mostly. disagree that games don t Support more then 4 cores and more are therefore useless. we can see in newer games an almoust fantastic scaling. just check out watchdogs 2 or the very popular battlefield 1 or for the latest game mass effect: Andromeda...

in my eyes it Comes down to this: will you have Trouble with 4c in the near future? NO.
will you benefit from more cores in the near future: YES.

also, Keep in mind that you probably will stick with your CPU for a Long time, as we see now there is really no or almoust no movement in the cpu development and therefore you should look ahead for more then a few years. more cores surly wont hurt.

sorry for the funny Auto correct, it changes letters into capital randomly :-(

 

[schuelertomas]

Nice specs on your system.
If I were you and wanted more Graphics power, I buy another GPU like the one you already have.
SLI 980Ti cards work great for me. Then, if they start selling single cards that will do 4K correctly, jump on that.

not going into SLI. heard horrible Things about Micro stutter. also more and more developers seem to shit on SLI configurations. and i dont have the energy to hunt down proper configs and Workarounds for every single game :-( but i am happy that it works well for you!

 

[RealNeil]

No problems here with both SLI ~and~ Crossfire.

I ~did~ have issues with Crossfire one time.
It turned out that my SilverStone Tundra TD-02 AIO CPU cooler had leaked fluid onto one of my brand new Sapphire Radeon R9-390X 8GB NITRO GPUs.
It took out the top card.

I've since bought two RX480 8GB Gigabyte Gaming G1 cards and they're working better/faster than the Sapphire cards did when they were brand new.

 

[Aenra]

Just to say that with a new bios, an updated Aida and starting from scratch (plus my apparently being real effing stupid the first time around, lol), my voltages are a LOT lower. Cannot edit the previous post, but when it's all set and stable i'll make mention.
So basically, /i'm with stupid

 

[peche]

for several reasons like the res and hardware i have, also consumption and performance over price makes me skip SLi configurations, if i move on from 1080p where i am pretty happy, will be for 1440, where a single solid card could handle, so SLi its not an option for me, it does look nice, but is not on my list,

will use the money i'll use on SLi going to a full custom waterloop!

Regards,

 

[Mussels]

SLI was a waste of money for me, because games with official SLI support suddenly removed it without warning - or it was just broken (some had boosts in the in game benchmarks, but negative performance in game. was awesome)

Starcraft II has an official SLI profile that runs single GPU. awesome. Worked in the past, but when the latest expansion came out Nv just disabled SLI rather than fix a flickering issue.
Crossfire was more or less similar - most of my issues there was the genius idea to crossfire 2x 300W cards - the heat was a bit much.

 

[schuelertomas]

for several reasons like the res and hardware i have, also consumption and performance over price makes me skip SLi configurations, if i move on from 1080p where i am pretty happy, will be for 1440, where a single solid card could handle, so SLi its not an option for me, it does look nice, but is not on my list,

will use the money i'll use on SLi going to a full custom waterloop!

Regards,

i can wholeheartly recommend 1444 to you. the games, sure, look FANTASTIC. suddenly everything is so crisp! but what most People dont even mention is how much better websurfing and/ or reading becomes because the letters now look much cleaner? and are so much easier on the eyes.

 

[Mussels]

i can wholeheartly recommend 1444 to you. the games, sure, look FANTASTIC. suddenly everything is so crisp! but what most People dont even mention is how much better websurfing and/ or reading becomes because the letters now look much cleaner? and are so much easier on the eyes.

its things like scrolling text in a browser that show it off the best.

 

[schuelertomas]

its things like scrolling text in a browser that show it off the best.

isnt framerate aka Hz the important factor for Scrolling?

 

[Mussels]

isnt framerate aka Hz the important factor for Scrolling?

i misread 1440 as 144 and thought he was talking about refresh rate - lets just say that both improve web browsing, and dont tease the over-worked moderator.

 

[schuelertomas]

i misread 1440 as 144 and thought he was talking about refresh rate - lets just say that both improve web browsing, and dont tease the over-worked moderator.

100% agree

 

[peche]

i can wholeheartly recommend 1444 to you. the games, sure, look FANTASTIC. suddenly everything is so crisp! but what most People dont even mention is how much better websurfing and/ or reading becomes because the letters now look much cleaner? and are so much easier on the eyes.

have some ideas on mind that have been taking my peace out, ill like to upgrade screens, but still cannot get final solution cuz my left side demon told me 3 x 1080p displays, the angel on my right side told me about 1440 single display ...

...... so, still making my mind, seems im stuck on that dilemma,

Regards,