Intel Core i9-11900T "Rocket Lake" Processor Allegedly Catches Up with Zen 3 in Single-Threaded Performance

[Calmmo]

High demand, less CPUs, worse QC



Congrats, you had a 92% chance of having no faulty CPUs, and you indeed did it

Yep, I'm definitely not your average internet bee, being drawn to that sweet social media drama honey like so many young'uns seem to these days.

 

[Valantar]

What I mean is they already had i9 and i7 with same core count, and seems counter productive for added concussion to buyer.
Could you guess what separate between 35W 11900T and 125W 11700K? Is it guaranteed that "higher price" 11900T perform better than 11700K? I bet they have 11700T in the making.

As said above, T-series Intel CPUs have been around for ages. They aren't common among consumers, as ... well, they're limited to a 35W PL2, so they perform a lot worse than no-suffix or K SKUs. This is reflected in their much, much lower base clocks. If you're not able to tell this from a spec sheet, you shouldn't be buying CPUs. They aren't meant for the same markets, but mostly for OEM SFF workstations and similar. (T SKUs are often difficult to find in stock with retailers at all due to very low consumer sales.) Will the 11900T perform better than the cheaper 11700K? NO. And it's not meant to. Outright performance isn't all you can pay for; maximum performance within a small power envelope also has a value (as do many other configurations). So for the 11900T you'll be paying a premium for getting the most powerful 35W Intel CPU around. Which will be slightly faster than the 11700T, which will be slightly faster than the i5-11600T, and so on, and so on. Regular 65W SKUs or 125W K SKUs will beat these every day of the week. And that's fine.

 

[Arc1t3ct]

I don't much care about a low TDP part. Are there any news / rumours about the 12900K?

 

[Makaveli]

My Geek bench scores for reference. The 11900K should have a slight advantage due to clock speed in ST but it won't be much 2-5%

5.02 Ghz vs 5.3ghz that Rocket Lake will hit at PL2 around 250Watts.

 

[Lionheart]

Still amazed by the amount of people that instantly jumps on any Intel related news article, always judging their products in a bad way. Is like some people can't accept the idea of their products being a good option.

Agreed, but at the same time geekbench is trash

 

[Makaveli]

11900T boost clock is reportedly 4.9GHz vs 5800X's 4.7GHz so Intel has a couple % frequency advantage.
Either way, single-core performance is within a percent or two at the same frequency. Competition is only good from our consumer perspective.

a 5800X will boost to 4.85Ghz stock not the listed 4.7ghz AMD has on the package.

 

[BiggieShady]

Agreed, but at the same time geekbench is trash

Geekbench is not inherently "trash" iirc ... it's just so that compiled code fits completely in L1 cache, so it doesn't test the efficiency of cpu cache hierarchy and it's a big part of IPC for those cases when instructions don't fit completely in L1 ... also this may have changed with later versions

 

[Punkenjoy]

Anyway, stop listening to all these youtube "leakers/Influencer/etc." that just state extra-ordinary claim like "THIS THING DESTROY IT'S COMPETITORS" then you realise that it will beat it by 5%.

There is no reason why Intel can't catch up to AMD and even beat them if AMD was able to catch up Intel. Intel is still way bigger than AMD and have much more money to throw at the problem than AMD.

Things can change quickly on the semi-conductor market. Just do go too much with all the hyperbole you see on youtube. They mostly do that to get your attention and get view.

 

[Max(IT)]

SO is the so-called “gaming crown” coming back to Intel after 6 months ?

 

[Makaveli]

SO the so-called “gaming crown” is coming back to Intel after 6 months ?

Is geekbench considered a game now?

 

[Max(IT)]

Is geekbench considered a game now?

Nope. But it could indicate single thread performance, and we both know gaming is quite influenced by that.
I would call it an educated guess.

 

[Makaveli]

Sounds like a wild guess over an educated guess to me even more so with no numbers to back it.

The current leaks show this.

I would wait for an official review.

 

[Valantar]

I don't much care about a low TDP part. Are there any news / rumours about the 12900K?

You mean Alder Lake? Isn't that just going to be Rocket Lake but with a selection of Gracemont Atom cores tacked on for some reason? I don't see how it's going to bring any meaningful performance improvements to the desktop. Or did you mean 11900K?

 

[deu]

Still amazed by the amount of people that instantly jumps on any Intel related news article, always judging their products in a bad way. Is like some people can't accept the idea of their products being a good option.

I think alot of people think Intel deserve some of their own sauce back in the face from years and years trying to stronghold the market through anti competitive bussiness practices. They are getting what they created imo. :0

 

[Arc1t3ct]

You mean Alder Lake? Isn't that just going to be Rocket Lake but with a selection of Gracemont Atom cores tacked on for some reason? I don't see how it's going to bring any meaningful performance improvements to the desktop. Or did you mean 11900K?

The 12900K will be intel's answer to the 5950X and beyond. It should be really exciting.

 

[Max(IT)]

Sounds like a wild guess over an educated guess to me even more so with no numbers to back it.

The current leaks show this.

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I would wait for an official review.

ok I hit an AMD nerve here...

By the way, I couldn't care less (and I have a 5800X) about the gaming crown.

 

[Makaveli]

ok I hit an AMD nerve here...

By the way, I couldn't care less (and I have a 5800X) about the gaming crown.

No nerve at all boss don't make assumptions.

And I'm well aware of your system specs.

We all need to wait until we have official reviews everyone is interested in seeing Intel's answer to increased competition and more so for Alderlake S. Rocket Lake S is a stop gap solution with no upgrade path and locked to 8 cores.

 

[Valantar]

The 12900K will be intel's answer to the 5950X and beyond. It should be really exciting.

The next point on Intel's (desktop) roadmap is Alder Lake, which is a hybrid big.LITTLE-style chip with Core cores + Atom cores. It might be that this is akin to Broadwell and never sees a mass-market launch (and might thus not be named the 12900K), but beyond that we're waiting for them to fix 10nm and 7nm, neither of which seem likely in the near future. There aren't even any real roadmap leaks going beyond Alder Lake. And Alder Lake is pretty much a known entity at this point, with negligible IPC increases over Rocket Lake and a low likelihood for big clock speed boosts, meaning there's little chance for improved ST performance. The Atom cores might help with MT performance, though by how much? Definitely not enough that an 8+8 design will match a 16-core Zen3 chip, for example.

I'm very much looking forward to Intel being competitive again (and no, "competitive at 2x the power" doesn't count), but for now we have no clear indication as to when that might be. Intel won't be truly competitive again until it has a solid process node to build its chips on.

 

[londiste]

@Valantar, Alder Lake should have Golden Cove (Willow Cove successor) cores alongside Gracemont (Tremont successor). By all indications and rumors this is going to be on 10nm.
Beyond that there is Meteor Lake but that is where details get hazy.

Willow Cove has IPC increases over Rocket Lake, primarily due to more cache. Basically the same difference as Ice Lake to Tiger Lake on mobile. Golden Cove reportedly has additional improvements over that.

 

[Vayra86]

Nope. But it could indicate single thread performance, and we both know gaming is quite influenced by that.
I would call it an educated guess.

More like throwing a bunch of numbers at the wall hoping something sticks.

 

[evernessince]

I also dont know why TPU is not writing about this subject that I already mentioned a week ago and got attacked by doing so on these forums (being called fanboy etc). It is a major thing right now on tech websites/forums and should call your attention. A lot of whea errors and faulty CPUs due to the high demand, they failing on QC.

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Hardware unboxed already bedunked this claim. They reached out to other retailers and they are not reporting above average RMA rates for Ryzen 5000 series CPUs.

You complained about people bashing Intel and then you went off topic and started bashing AMD. At least the people complaining about Intel are on topic, you are not and are being hypocritical.

 

[Makaveli]

Hardware unboxed already bedunked this claim. They reached out to other retailers and they are not reporting above average RMA rates for Ryzen 5000 series CPUs.

You complained about people bashing Intel and then you went off topic and started bashing AMD. At least the people complaining about Intel are on topic, you are not and are being hypocritical.

The whole issue with the original tweet from powergpu before it was deleted. Is that isn't a big enough sample to mean anything if it were true.

 

[thesmokingman]

The whole issue with the original tweet from powergpu before it was deleted. Is that isn't a big enough sample to mean anything if it were true.

They deleted their tweet, nuff said!

 

[Makaveli]

They deleted their tweet, nuff said!

True but you still have clueless fan boys using it to flame the fire.

 

[thesmokingman]

True but you still have clueless fan boys using it to flame the fire.

Yea however another way to look at it is you then know whose full of shit and whose not.