Intel Core i9-12900KS

[ThrashZone]

those are insane temps for being on a 360mm AIO... nearly double the temp of 10th gen high end Intel chips... that is just wild...

Hi,
I missed the aio temp
Temp page only showed air cooler 14s hitting 104c

 

[damric]

Reminds me of the Vishera FX-9590 launch, but this i9 is actually good performance. It has taken forever to get from 5GHz to 5.5GHz stock Turbo clocks. Certainly not compelling me to leave AM4 just yet.

 

[fevgatos]

Exactly like the original 12900k review, there must be something wrong with your temperatures. Im hitting 20 less C on the cbr23 with a u12a, that on paper at least, should be worse than your u14.

 

[Chrispy_]

430W with adaptive boost. That's a lot of power for a few hundred MHz.

Also, a 12600K will let you hit your GPU bottleneck for less than half the power consumption, and if you want to render/compute fast for $800, then you can pick up a 24C/48T 2970WX for less.

I guess if you have money, don't care about efficiency, heat, noise, and want the (temporary) best CPU, then this crazy, inefficient, halo monster is going to be it for a short while.

 

[AusWolf]

I guess if you have money, don't care about efficiency, heat, noise, and want the (temporary) best CPU, then this crazy, inefficient, halo monster is going to be it for a short while.

If you don't care about efficiency, heat, noise, or performance, just want something that's on the top of... some chart... somewhere... then buy a used FX-9590.

Seriously, KS processors were never meant for sane people, or any kind of home user. The 12900KS is no exception. I don't even know who they're actually meant for, to be honest.

 

[Assimilator]

FFS. It's a halo product at a halo price and halo power consumption. Why is everyone getting pissy about it? Do you get pissy about the existence of supercars too?

 

[altermere]

"It's irresponsible performance" ©
btw, how did 6700k snuck up in there? it's $240 to boot, I recently sold mine for $120.

 

[HD64G]

FFS. It's a halo product at a halo price and halo power consumption. Why is everyone getting pissy about it? Do you get pissy about the existence of supercars too?

Since it should remind most of the old PC tech followers the situation with P4EE from Intel (that was made to win over Athlon 64 at any cost), what was back then to praise Intel for that will make us do so for this one?

 

[mama]

12900KS+RTX3090TI anyone?

Don't forget to add in the new power supply.

 

[Jism]

Reminds me of the Vishera FX-9590 launch, but this i9 is actually good performance. It has taken forever to get from 5GHz to 5.5GHz stock Turbo clocks. Certainly not compelling me to leave AM4 just yet.

FX9590 was a halo product. Engineering thing that 5Ghz was capable, and proberly the first chip able to archieve. However past 5Ghz it really gets difficult. You can tell by the temps this thing runs into. And with a max of 115 degrees, it's beserk to think your close to the limits before the chip actually starts to melt down from it's own IHS or packaging.

Intel needs to work on finding ways to lower the temperature. The density of heat is so intense you cant cool it properly anymore, not even with a 360mm rad.

Running long term 115 degrees is'nt good for the chip nor board either, esp with such a power consumption. The 5800x / 5950 needs half of that, and you still have more threads available. Easy take.

 

[Undertoker]

i’m a 54 year old undertaker who has been pc gaming and a pc enthusiast for about 35 years now
i have no other vices than my pc tbh.
i like having the very best and at the moment it is still for me intel and nvidia - but only just.
i won’t be buying a 3090ti but i’ve ordered this
but i do have concerns with the direction it’s going in
ive noticed a big change in the last couple of generations and it is power draw and as i said in an earlier post, the heat generated from this power draw means you end up gaming in your pants - it really is that hot.

i genuinely believe this may be my last intel purchase and nvidia now and that is solely due to power draw.
i’m at the limit of what i want to use power wise now

i’d much rather see the focus be on maintaining the current performance but focusing solely how to do it with less power - for me that would be a real achievement and something well worth buying, and i’d buy it.

As for the bitterness and resentment i see in some posts i’d simply say that this is a halo product - it isn’t for economy or value.
the K variant was already pushing the boundaries on this gen and the KS id agree is simply a cocktail of pushing it further and money grab, as it always is - it’s halo
So “value” simply is not a consideration here.
People should know that but apparently still don’t ?
In the same way you wouldn’t expect a ferrari to be particularly good on petrol this high end halo cpu was never going to be any exception - that’s what halo is.

But that said i would hope that moving forward these companies will begin to realise that silly amounts of power draw is taking the shine off things now and that it is time to focus solely on that i think.
As a pc enthusiast and gamer of 35 years i’d suggest we have the performance we need and dreamt of, we now need to focus solely on getting it at a lot less power draw.
that needs to be the goal now moving forward

 

[qubit]

It's just as I thought, a tiny little performance upgrade for a hefty price increase and significantly more power usage. In other words, a complete waste of money. Better wait for the next gen if you really want to get better performance. And that's what, just a few months away now?

I already don't like this hybrid architecture for a desktop CPU and the fact that apps can get mischeduled, such as MySQL in the testing, would make me constantly wonder if that's happened and I'm getting lower performance because of it. I don't like uncertainty like that and for this reason I'd get the 12600 which has 6 P cores and no E cores and save a load of cash too. I don't think the scheduling will ever be 100% since the criteria for scheduling inherently has some vagueness to it.

 

[progste]

The idea that "it's a halo product so it shouldn't be criticized" seems quite absurd.

 

[Assimilator]

The idea that "it's a halo product so it shouldn't be criticized" seems quite absurd.

Do me a favour - read every post in this thread that criticises this CPU, and count how many say anything different to the cons in W1zzard's review. I'll save you the trouble: the answer is zero.

That's not criticism, that's mindless repetition. That's dogpiling for the sake of dogpiling. That is, to use a phrase I despise, virtue signalling. And it adds absolutely nothing of value to the discussion around this CPU; in fact it just adds noise, and in doing so detracts from any real discussion.

There's an old saying "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all". I wish more people would substitute "useful" for "nice".

 

[Solid State Brain]

If anything, since this is such a highly binned CPU, it should be able to run more efficiently at lower/moderate power levels than the 12900K, 12700K and lower models. Even without operating it at unlimited power or 115°C, you could still keep the awesome few-threads performance or possibly improve it by another 100-200 MHz with good cooling and thermal velocity boost overclock (TVB OC). Of course most end-users will simply want to run it to the max all-around to justify the purchasing price.

 

[msimax]

i have a 5950x sitting next to a 12900k and they're best of friends lol

 

[Why_Me]

That 5950x looks better with every competitor review.

Not for gaming.

 

[Selaya]

to be fair buying anything above like, a 12700k's pointless for gaming anyways so there's that

 

[watzupken]

This to me is a meaningless product from Intel as usual just for the sake of winning the performance crown and their ego. Not only did it win the performance crown, it also won the most power hungry and hottest CPU awards too. With this sort of heat and power requirement, it is not going to win Intel a lot of business in the enterprise space as well as Apple back (since it is clear that they are trying to outdo Apple‘s M1).

to be fair buying anything above like, a 12700k's pointless for gaming anyways so there's that

I agree. In fact for gaming, an i5 is more than enough.

 

[cyberloner]

win almost everything even with the power usage xD

 

[_JP_]

History seemingly repeats itself, despite more advanced new µArch. @W1zzard's 1st paragraph oddly makes the recall for when the Pentium Extreme Edition was launched (Halo product, 130W back when there were few air coolers even for +95W, EIST was new back then). And this comparison, I believe, is very close when the 5800X3D launches.
Quoting Wiki:

Comparison to Athlon 64 X2

The competing AMD Athlon 64 X2, although running at lower clock rates and lacking Hyper-threading, had some significant advantages over the Pentium D, such as an integrated memory controller, a high-speed HyperTransport bus, a shorter pipeline (12 stages compared to the Pentium D's 31), and better floating point performance,[11] more than offsetting the difference in raw clock speed. Also, while the Athlon 64 X2 inherited mature multi-core control logic from the multi-core Opteron, the Pentium D was seemingly rushed to production and essentially consisted of two CPUs in the same package. Indeed, shortly after the launch of the mainstream Pentium D branded processors (26 May 2005) and the Athlon 64 X2 (31 May 2005), a consensus arose that AMD's implementation of multi-core was superior to that of the Pentium D.[12][13] As a result of this and other factors, AMD surpassed Intel in CPU sales at US retail stores for a period of time, although Intel retained overall market leadership because of its exclusive relationships with direct sellers such as Dell.[14]

 

[Vayra86]

Are your sure? Seems exactly like joke.

Blame the product not the review

FFS. It's a halo product at a halo price and halo power consumption. Why is everyone getting pissy about it? Do you get pissy about the existence of supercars too?

In this day and age? Yes

We also get pissy about Bezos shooting himself into space for no reason. These products fall in that category. Meant for nothing, except epeen at the expense of planet. When we see that we're going to have to cut deep into our own lives to keep things habitable, products like these simply have no right to exist.

Besides, why are you so pissy about other people having their opinion about a product? Implying its not valid 'because there are other things'?

Live and let live goes both ways... and this e-waste is certainly not taking that principle into account

 

[Warigator]

Releasing new products that are only 2-4% faster than previous ones makes no sense. Just keep selling what you had already released.

 

[ratirt]

$150 for literally few % up and the power consumption is hard not to notice or it is hard not be concerned even if you were blind and yet, people still praise it since this is the top model and almost saying that it is supposed to be like that.
I remember same people, bashing on AMD for a 3700X to 5800X price difference of $50. It's a new architecture nonetheless. And of course the heat 5800X produce (80c? if I remember correctly?) was unacceptable even thouh the performance jump between 3700x and 5800x was extraordinary especially in games. Look here now at Intel's top tier CPU. The temps are hotter than a frying oil (with a top cooling solution), power draw is so high and it is still OK and more, they claim it should be that way now. Obviously, giving an argument that in gaming, it is not that hot or it doesnt draw that much power. It's just funny though.

 

[chrcoluk]

nice micro portable heater that also plays games.