Intel Haswell Overclocking Clubhouse.

[LiveOrDie]

I don't know i just turned it off and after my system got to the desktop it froze and rebooted but now it seems fine, i will try turning my voltage down to see but i really dont think it will do much also the settings on auto so you would think it would know when to disable it, and would it be on other boards being a Asus settings?

Hey Kursah what your batch on your chip seem very close to mine?

EDIT 1
WTF Asus i thought right it its not meant to be used when overclock Asus would have it disabled in there video and guess what they do but they don't mention it once? Maybe in later bios's they enable it?


EDIT 2
Just to let you know it has no affect on my voltages at all i still need 1.275v for my crap chip to be stable @ 4.6Ghz, I mite stop the spiking im getting in BF4 but i really dont think so.

 

[Kursah]

1.275 @ 4.6 is not a crap chip. I needed more than that to make 4.2 stable and even then it wasn't stable! That was indeed a crap chip! Yours is a decent clocker!

 

[LiveOrDie]

I thought you had yours @ 4.5 @ 1.24v ? mine wont do that it will boot into windows but bsod on stressing i think i would need closer to 1.26v for 4.5ghz, I've seen chips run @ 4.6ghz on only 1.2v.


Edit even in bioshock infinite im getting the spike in voltage ?

 

[TheHunter]

Hmm, i already deleted bioshock, do you have MaxPayne3, Tombraider 2013, Hitman Absolution, Crysis3, SC Blacklist, Sleeping Dogs, FarCry3?



Idk why you see that reading.. Does HWinfo64 show the same spike?

Is your SVID at auto or fixed value?



About that Asus Multi core, yep I was able to lower it, im gonna lower some more to 1.220v now..

But 4.7ghz needs min ~1.275v, i tryed 1.270v and it bsod.. Although I used lower vcssa +0.002v (had from 4.6ghz) instead of +0.010v like before..


Edit: 1.220v (LLC6, 120%, VRM optimized, SVID 1.76v) passed LostPlanet2 dx9 fixed brute test , will see what's up with Re5 and then Bf3.



nvm that pcie clock guess it glitched cause I ran both monitoring apps at the same time..

 

[LiveOrDie]

Yer my SVID is on auto i didnt need to change it at all for 4.6, HWinfo64 is the same this is just after loading into bioshock for 2 minute and quitting out.

 

[TheHunter]

Ok i wasnt stable at 1.220v, looks like it needs min ~1.224v..


Do you have any other games mentioned above? I would try Bioshock but i have to dl 15gb...

 

[LiveOrDie]

i have SC Blacklist ill try that and report back.


EDIT

This is a short 5 minutes in blacklist only core 2,3 spiked.

 

[TheHunter]

ok I will try SC, brb

 

[Kursah]

I thought you had yours @ 4.5 @ 1.24v ? mine wont do that it will boot into windows but bsod on stressing i think i would need closer to 1.26v for 4.5ghz, I've seen chips run @ 4.6ghz on only 1.2v.


Edit even in bioshock infinite im getting the spike in voltage ?

My first chip...if you go back to the earlier pages of this thread I had OC issues with it. I replaced it with the one I have now.

 

[TheHunter]

Hm it stays at fixed adaptive here, I've set to 1.225v (that multicore enhance off) in bios and this is what i get after ~ 10-15min




and when i started the game in fullscreen if its something by loading.. But nothing, weird





Edit; that guy replied and he said he needed 1.32v for 4.5ghz before with multicore enhance on,.. Huge drop for him, by me it was only 0.005 v xD, guess i have better control over it on my mobo.

My C7s state is fine though, guess its just his mobo bios a bit weird.

Previously i needed 1.32v for 4.5Ghz, so this is quite an improvement!!

I'm on the latest BIOS v1002 for my board but I've seen quite a few other people with this same motherboard with the same problem. I tried 3 different BIOS versions and all had problems with sleep/resume for me.

I don't mind disabling the C7 state, but i'll keep an eye out for BIOS updates if they fix it on the VI Hero board.

 

[LiveOrDie]

Umm that odd i have no idea why i'm getting these spikes?

What other options are there for me to change i found a few other people with this problem.

 

[TheHunter]

Maybe something in AI Tweaker - tweakers paradise tab, can you post a screen of it?


Ps did you disable cpu VR fault management? And are those 4 Turbo mode parameters at auto or manually set?



Does it happen with any bios?

 

[TheHunter]

Abotu multi core enahcement, Asus reccomends on, well I can now run with 0.005v less and have same fps so I will keep it off.

Optimal CPU Core Use
Ai Tweaker\ASUS MultiCore Enhancement setting is recommended to be Enabled to allow the ASUS BIOS to rebalance performance per watt ratio. Since ROG is focused on performance it provides a better design and overall system performance than the Intel native settings.

http://rog.asus.com/253522013/labels/rog-exclusive/maximus-vi-extreme-performance-tuning-guide/

 

[LiveOrDie]

Here are the settings im using and heres the other thread i found http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthrea...age-spikes&s=65b303e8ac65f0710a28316cbb6dc4e5

 

[TheHunter]

Ok 2-3 things look a bit so so.

I see you have SVID at auto and yet it defaults to stock 1.69V, this can be unstable at higher volts.. Keep main at auto and put in manually 1.79v by initial input voltage. Double check on next reboot if it sticks at 1.79v, if not load optimized default reboot and re-apply.

BCLK recovery? I see you have it enabled is it enabled by default?

in DIGI + set CPU current capability to 120-130% instead of default auto.



Idk about AVX spikes though, looks like mobo bios issue.. I will test Crysis3 now just to see, but i know Grid2 avx doesnt spike.




EDIT: well I still suspect ROG mobos, see here after 10-15min, nothing and I've shot at barres etc,.



EDIT2:

I think I finally know why it heats up 2-5C more at certain scenarios. DIGI+ is the cause, specifically CPU Power Phase control and CPU Current Capability.


*Tested in LP2 benchmark, jobthread=8, 720p, no aa, no blur, dx9; Test2
I didnt touch anything, cpu was at 1.225v, LLC6, SVID 1.76v and asus multi core enahnce off.

Cpu phase - standard, Cpu current 120%, lower temps but can bsod at higher load.
Cpu phase - standard, Cpu current 130%, lower temps, but I lost 2fps on avg (~122fps)
Cpu phase - optimized, cpu current 120%, 1-3C higher temp on hottest core, fps ~124.5fps
cpu phase - optimized, cpu current 130%, 4-5C higher temps on hottest core, max avg 125-126fps.


I will stick with option no3. , got even higher multi core this way, but ye 2C higher temp.



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@Live OR Die

igpu on or off?

 

[LAN_deRf_HA]

Did anyone ever do tests to see if the newer CLCs run cooler with the block sideways on Haswell? I'm working with a FT02 so it would work out nicely if that were the case. From the tear down I saw I'm not sure if it would matter, looks like the flow is either coming or going directly through the center http://linustechtips.com/main/gallery/album/622-my-dead-corsair-h100i-teardown/

 

[LiveOrDie]

Ok 2-3 things look a bit so so.

I see you have SVID at auto and yet it defaults to stock 1.69V, this can be unstable at higher volts.. Keep main at auto and put in manually 1.79v by initial input voltage. Double check on next reboot if it sticks at 1.79v, if not load optimized default reboot and re-apply.

BCLK recovery? I see you have it enabled is it enabled by default?

in DIGI + set CPU current capability to 120-130% instead of default auto.



Idk about AVX spikes though, looks like mobo bios issue.. I will test Crysis3 now just to see, but i know Grid2 avx doesnt spike.

View attachment 53334


EDIT: well I still suspect ROG mobos, see here after 10-15min, nothing and I've shot at barres etc,.
View attachment 53284


EDIT2:

I think I finally know why it heats up 2-5C more at certain scenarios. DIGI+ is the cause, specifically CPU Power Phase control and CPU Current Capability.


*Tested in LP2 benchmark, jobthread=8, 720p, no aa, no blur, dx9; Test2
I didnt touch anything, cpu was at 1.225v, LLC6, SVID 1.76v and asus multi core enahnce off.

Cpu phase - standard, Cpu current 120%, lower temps but can bsod at higher load.
Cpu phase - standard, Cpu current 130%, lower temps, but I lost 2fps on avg (~122fps)
Cpu phase - optimized, cpu current 120%, 1-3C higher temp on hottest core, fps ~124.5fps
cpu phase - optimized, cpu current 130%, 4-5C higher temps on hottest core, max avg 125-126fps.


I will stick with option no3. , got even higher multi core this way, but ye 2C higher temp.
View attachment 53292


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Edit3:
@Live OR Die

igpu on or off?

How do you turn off igpu i though it turns it self off when it detects a video card? also did you test with full screen as well?

I have parts for my water cooling setup on the way i cant wait to see if it does any better than my H100i, Because i;m GPU will also be hooked to it.

 

[TheHunter]

Ok nvm then, its off by default. I just thought maybe you enabled it for encoding, LucidVirtu, etc

But do re-enable SVID and manually enter 1.80v by eventual cpu input voltage.

• SVID Support controls whether or not the CPU’s FIVR (Fully Integrated Voltage Regulator) should communicate with the external voltage regulator (Extreme Engine DIGI+ III) for the delivery of the CPU Input Voltage. Configuration this option to Enabled essentially establishes this communication while setting it to Disable forbids such communication, which yields better O.C. margin as compared with having it enabled. Considering this is outside the Intel CPU integrated Voltage Regulator, disabling SVID Support will “Not” affect the Intel integrated power saving functionalities such as EIST and the various C-States.

• Dividing the “CPU Input Voltage” into “Initial CPU Input Voltage” and “Eventual CPU Input Voltage” enables users to apply different level of CPU Input Voltage before and after the POST sequence. This enables the weaker processors to utilize a higher voltage during the POST sequence to power up, then utilize a relatively lower voltage later to prevent overheat or overstressing the processor.

http://rog.asus.com/254052013/maxim...ngs-for-overclocking-maximus-vi-motherboards/



Yes at first I played all those games in full screen, then minimized with alt+enter so I could include Hwinfo readings.

 

[LiveOrDie]

I have one core hotter than the others on idle but on load they seem to even out, Should i redo my TIM once again would be the 3rd time each time i seem to get different results.

Core#1 is the core im talking about.

 

[TheHunter]

Yours is delidded right?

Idk, maybe try it again, well I had to make it 3-4 times until I was happy with it, still not it thought, need better TIM. Noctua NT-H1 is great, but i saw 2-3C better pastes as well..

This is idle atm with max heat in the room. Idk feels like 23-26C, i can feel radiator heat coming from right side behind me.

 

[LiveOrDie]

Yer mines delidded but getting the right amount of Liquid Pro under the IHS some time can be tricking as you only want to use a small amount i can see from my try i may have a spot with to little.

 

[cadaveca]

Abotu multi core enahcement, Asus reccomends on, well I can now run with 0.005v less and have same fps so I will keep it off.

Optimal CPU Core Use
Ai Tweaker\ASUS MultiCore Enhancement setting is recommended to be Enabled to allow the ASUS BIOS to rebalance performance per watt ratio. Since ROG is focused on performance it provides a better design and overall system performance than the Intel native settings.

http://rog.asus.com/253522013/labels/rog-exclusive/maximus-vi-extreme-performance-tuning-guide/

That BIOS option makes all cores work at the same multi more consistently, when running stock. If you set all cores to the same ratio, the option doesn't do anything. Yes, they should have labelled it Core Multi Enhancement.

 

[LiveOrDie]

Yours is delidded right?

Idk, maybe try it again, well I had to make it 3-4 times until I was happy with it, still not it thought, need better TIM. Noctua NT-H1 is great, but i saw 2-3C better pastes as well..

This is idle atm with max heat in the room. Idk feels like 23-26C, i can feel radiator heat coming from right side behind me.
View attachment 53429

Could you run a 3 min FPU test in AIDA64 i would like to see what temps you get on that voltage set it to manual for the test , This is a 3min test with a room temp of 30c its summer here.

@ 1.2v 4.4Ghz

 

[TheHunter]

Ok will do later,

I had some strange issues last night and I did some more testing/voltage tweaking

this is what i have if i lets say test x264, the worst worst temp so far. Adaptive voltage - avx spike on core3,4


&
Fritz

 

[LiveOrDie]

Only one spike on core 0 for me and temps are very low seems this bench doesn't stress the FPU much at all, Seeing your @ 4.7Ghz your temps are OK but i don't think they would hold up under a FPU test very long.

PS the windows 8/8.1 theme sucks LOL.