Intel LGA Socket 1700: Lower Height, New Hole Pattern Render Existing Cooling Solutions Incompatible

[mechtech]

I'm sure cooler makers will come up with an adapter. I mean noctua always comes out with new adapters for new sockets.

 

[watzupken]

From the illustration, it seems like Intel is still going to stick to the old puny cooler that is barely making it all thanks to the "65W TDP" claim, which in reality is nowhere close. It works, but the chip runs dang hot even with moderate load.

 

[SL2]

Rectangular CPU's and square coolers make sense.

It does. Square shape makes it easy to mount in any 90° direction. There are AM4 coolers that can't do that because the HS manufacturer didn't add that feature. With a square shape, there's nothing that needs to be added.
I can't come up with any pro's of having holes in a rectangular shape.

Can someone explain this to me please:

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To me, that looks like the CPU sits in a bucket-like deep recess. Won't that cause massive clearance problems for heatpipes and waterblocks?

If that's the socket keep-out-zone then it would make more sense, but that's a hella weird way to show it.

MOTHERBOARD CLEARANCE. You're right, keep-out zone. When designing heatsinks, that space have to be treated like it's occupied with components, usually capacitors. Intel have made pics like that for ages.

Wow, Igor is really clueless here and really lets his imagination run wild, embarrassing. "Airtight cover", really? Has he never seen an Intel socket documentation before?

Have a look at the LGA 1156 below (the year 2009). The legend clearly shows different clearance for different areas, and they turned it into a 3D model, exactly like above.

Also, anyone complaining about Intel changing holes, I hear your pain, but come on, it's been TWELVE YEARS. Mounting hole standards usually stay for half that time.
Changing socket every year is a 1000 times worse.

 

[TheDeeGee]

the latest gigabyte aorus waterforce x has already shipped with lga1700 mounting kit.

Yeah, no doubt behind the scenes the big brands have been busy already with a mounting kit, and as soon as Alder Lake comes out you can claim your free upgrade kit.

 

[Chrispy_]

i think you see on igor's article (translated ofc):


yeah, its a bad idea . . .

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Ah okay, that's a dumpster-fire of a socket design just to accommodate one OEM peltier cooler which will be shit anyway.
Hopefully the whole thing is removable and proper cooling mounts can be used, such as the good old Secufirm2.

 

[GerKNG]

Laughs in Noctua

 

[TheLostSwede]

Looks like the dream of a shared cooler mount was nothing more than a pipedream if this is true.

A mockup of AMD Zen4 "Raphael" AM5 LGA1718 package has been leaked - VideoCardz.com

AMD Zen4 “Raphael” LGA1718 package pictured ExecutableFix has revealed the LGA pads layout of the next-generation consumer AMD processor. The leaker already revealed that the AMD AM5 socket will support LGA1718 processors. This method of connection between CPU and motherboards will likely be...

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[theGryphon]

Looks like the dream of a shared cooler mount was nothing more than a pipedream if this is true.

A mockup of AMD Zen4 "Raphael" AM5 LGA1718 package has been leaked - VideoCardz.com

AMD Zen4 “Raphael” LGA1718 package pictured ExecutableFix has revealed the LGA pads layout of the next-generation consumer AMD processor. The leaker already revealed that the AMD AM5 socket will support LGA1718 processors. This method of connection between CPU and motherboards will likely be...

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That looks delicious. No exterior components. Transistors at the back is akin to showing brain

 

[Caring1]

Looks like the dream of a shared cooler mount was nothing more than a pipedream if this is true.

A mockup of AMD Zen4 "Raphael" AM5 LGA1718 package has been leaked - VideoCardz.com

AMD Zen4 “Raphael” LGA1718 package pictured ExecutableFix has revealed the LGA pads layout of the next-generation consumer AMD processor. The leaker already revealed that the AMD AM5 socket will support LGA1718 processors. This method of connection between CPU and motherboards will likely be...

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If it's a mock up, why cover the entire base in gold pads?
Surely it would be more economical to leave the centre free where caps etc go.

 

[TheLostSwede]

If it's a mock up, why cover the entire base in gold pads?
Surely it would be more economical to leave the centre free where caps etc go.

Did you count the pads?
Obviously who knows how close this is to the real thing or not.
I was more going with the overall shape, which is clearly too different to share a common cooler mount.

 

[PapaTaipei]

Surprised Pikachu face

 

[toyo]

Assuming I'll actually buy Alder Lake, which is somewhat unlikely unless it's required for some new game or app, I suspect Noctua could ship brackets for it? I hope so. The D15S, with another 120mm Noctua fan on the front has not disappoint me. Which is good, considering the amount of money that went into just cooling.

 

[GerKNG]

Assuming I'll actually buy Alder Lake, which is somewhat unlikely unless it's required for some new game or app, I suspect Noctua could ship brackets for it? I hope so. The D15S, with another 120mm Noctua fan on the front has not disappoint me. Which is good, considering the amount of money that went into just cooling.

From Tom's Hardware

 

[Tom Sunday]

Not just have to upgrade your motherboard with your CPU but your cooler as well. Hope some cooler companies like Noctua can make a adapter for users.

I am not sure that manufactures will be inclined to offer retrofit (Air or AIO) cooling adaptors. And guarantee their success. The cooler market is extremely profitable and in the end its all about making even more profits from people like us. Actually this is a great year for basically all of the hardware manufacturers and them "doubledipping" with Alder Lake in the pipe. In November: New Z690 mobos, DDR5, new CPU, new coolers, etc. Hoping by then Walmart is keeping me employed driving a forklift on the third shift. Just maybe Walmart then also has a few "open box pre-builds" so that I can finally play Wolfenstein in my basement command center and staying out of Mom's hair.

 

[Caring1]

Did you count the pads?

1,738

 

[Deleted member 205776]

I bet you I'll be able to use my Noctua NH-U12A even in 2026 when I'm planning to upgrade. Noctua gives out free socket mount upgrades. Nothing beats SecuFirm either. Got their hoodie for a reason.

 

[AKBrian]

[Snip].

Wow, Igor is really clueless here and really lets his imagination run wild, embarrassing. "Airtight cover", really? Has he never seen an Intel socket documentation before?

[Snip]

The TEC based cooler shown in the article does indeed use a flexible skirt at the base to seal the inner block and CPU die. The same is done on the existing 10th/11th gen Cooler Master Sub Zero TEC kit.

(See item D)

It is designed to prevent condensation. The software will try to keep the die temp above ambient by throttling the Peltier element, but the gasket-like seal (think the rubber side pleats on a hovercraft) is an additional measure. Igor is correct. The referenced baseplate illustration shows the lower assembly designed to snug up to the seal. Whether they actually intend for it to be mounted direct die, I don't know, but it's certainly possible.

 

[Adam Krazispeed]

I thought Intel preferred round coolers...

We don't know the shape of AM5 as yet, so it's anyone's guess.

rumors is yea AMDs AM5 is going LGA 1718 Pins/pads but still "rumored" and take with a shouvel of salt, the cpu is rumored to still be 40mm x 40mm (sams shape and size as AM4 but the LGA pads are closer together and smaller than AM4s Pins on uPGA 40x40 AM4 socket. so we have to wait and see if the rumored AM5 is correct, search AM5 Mockup

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Yeah well chip doesn't look bigger than 2066 socket to me just weird shape frankly just to be a pita but I'm sure the title is just wrong
Only thing incompatible is prior mounts not the entire cooling solutions it's just ghetto mount time lol

 

[Eric_Cartman]

Just another reason not to buy Intel.

They are always changing things just so we have to spend more money.

There is no reason the old coolers won't work with the new processors.

 

[player-x]

"Leave it to Intel to not just have to upgrade your motherboard with your CPU but your cooler as well, stick with AMD"

Actually someone that really hates intel for these shenanigans, but there cooler mounts stay the same for years.

Why couldn't they agree on a common cooler dimension for say a five year span?
LGA-115x lasted longer than five years.

Nothing to be gained from it,

Notting lost from it eider.
And actually I think there is even a chance they could use the same mounting, as AMD has less of a problem with open source or using common standards then intel.

There is no reason the old coolers won't work with the new processors.

Actually the CPU is longer, so it's possible that some coolers won't work properly.

And a longer socket makes sense, more space for the new DDR5 traces.

 

[las]

Just another reason not to buy Intel.

They are always changing things just so we have to spend more money.

There is no reason the old coolers won't work with the new processors.

Intel used the same mounting system for way longer than AMD.
You can literally re-use a cooler from around 2010 on your consumer line 2021 CPU.
Intel does not sell coolers so why should they do it to make people spend money on cooling

Did you also complain about AMD when AM3 coolers didnt work for AM4 CPU's? AM5 releases next year too, AM4 coolers won't work, I bet

 

[karakarga]

Peltiers are no good in practice. I have tried 2 units years ago, from Thermaltake and hmm I forgot the name. Those are inefficient, their control units were plugging on PCI slots at those times. Thermaltake one was using 4 x 8 cm size, peltier requiring 24 Volts, an external cable was plugging into PCI slot externally to convert AC to DC conversion. It was using a single and loud 7 cm by 1 cm fan. Other one was using an ordinary 4 x 4 cm peltier with dual 9 cm by 3,8 cm fans, they were very noisy....

But, worthless when CPU reaches %100 load, they were all inefficient. At idle, yes they provide 15 degrees around. But at load, they were passing 50 degrees and up. CPU's thermal output x 2 times the peltiers must have to cool! The coolers for this double times heat was really hard to fit in a case. Therefore, it is really being hard to cool a peltier system. Including that, the condensing is a real problem.

Instead of using this way, a water cooler with a weak & light peltiers may provide better performance. I mean, little 1 x 1 cm sized 4 units of peltiers around four different ways on water cooler radiator may provide better cooling, thus easy to cool, peltiers heat output by using a bit bigger fan on radiator....

 

[niboar]

I'm not sure that the new hole pattern will be a problem:

My cooler (thermalright macho 120) has four long holes for :
-LGA1200 : 75x75 mm
-LGA2011 : 80x80 mm
The 78x78 mm of LGA1700 being in between, I'll just have to sand down the small separating bulges to be able to place a screw.

For the difference in height, I intend to put a small sheet of metal between the bracket and the cooler to push it further down.

I think many of the existing coolers will be adaptable with a bit tinkering.

 

[Baum]

i did the same too just re-used my scythe ninja on my i5-126 something..

i haven't assembled it yet but my asus board has holes for LGA-1200 => which is LGA-15xx comaptible so my backplane and the hole pattern fit 100% with not a single mm of size difference..

there are 8xhole around the cpu socket, only 4 are "new" style and they should fit too as some of the intel big coolers have the ability to move the screws diagonally,

only the backplate will be a problem.. i have a feeling that bending the board would be quite common with just 4 screws but that is none of my personal problem now

UPDATE:

Board is ASUS STRIX B660-F and CPU i5-12500 and cooler is ninja 3 rev. b from my old 3570k that is dead now :-/