Intel Previews Arc A750 Graphics Card Performance

[ModEl4]

I do agree about third player, but not expecting the performance from intel in dGPU market. All these years they couldn't compete in iGPU segment too... 350€ for 6650 performance after how many months...?

A770 8GB will be faster in QHD vs 6650XT in newer titles and it won't be 349€ (if the price is between $349-329 probably around €399-369?)
RX6650XT dropped in Mindfactory at €399 before 2 days, probably in order to match the recent RTX 3060 €399 drop.

Personally I'll be interested in intel gpu when their price will be 30% lower than amd or nvidia from the same level.

Then clearly it's not for you.
There is no reason Intel to discount so much a product when it is at the same performance level as the competition.
All the previews that we show from China and the new ones from GamersNexus etc, didn't have major software bugs apparently on the games tested, that's a good sign and i expected worse situation to tell you the truth.
Performance level can easily be balanced with the right price and you will find a lot of people to have much greater tolerance (-30%) than you.

 

[Assimilator]

dunno why people are bashing this, marketing aside its a good thing another company has joined the competition

Competition requires you to compete. Arc isn't.

 

[medi01]

These GPUs are trash, no two ways about it.

How could you say so without knowing other details please?

Such as, you know, chip size, power consumption, total package price.

Had anyone expected Intel to "open up" with oversized chips? How so? Getting experience with a solid low-mid range and then stepping up the game would be reasonable to expect.

The only troubling part here is Mr Koduri.

Competition requires you to compete. Arc isn't.

Arc can compete with 3060 range of GPUs, we don't know yet.

 

[NDown]

Competition requires you to compete. Arc isn't.

ok mr can foresee the future

 

[Assimilator]

ok mr can foresee the future

I don't need to see the future, only use my brain (something I suggest you try sometime BTW) to perform duductive reasoning. To wit: if any of the Arc GPUs could compete with the current high-end ones from NVIDIA and AMD, Intel would be shouting it from the rooftops. The reality is that Intel's so confident in Arc they're only releasing it in China to begin with.

 

[NDown]

I don't need to see the future, only use my brain (something I suggest you try sometime BTW) to perform duductive reasoning. To wit: if any of the Arc GPUs could compete with the current high-end ones from NVIDIA and AMD, Intel would be shouting it from the rooftops. The reality is that Intel's so confident in Arc they're only releasing it in China to begin with.

bro i simply agreed with your ultra mega awesome brain deduction no need to insultz me u know? XDD

 

[ModEl4]

Alchemist GPUs can't compete with the current high-end ones from NVIDIA and AMD, lol they can't even compete with the second best GPUs (AD104-Navi22)
i bet intel had the same ≤$399 strategy as AMD had with RDNA1 launch lol

 

[ravenhold]

It has been 2 years since RXT3000 launch. Arc should deliver 10% more raster and raytracing preformance than RTX 3000.

 

[Vayra86]

This is like an RX480 launching two years after the release of a 970 'to kill it' and it looks like Vega in the sense of the biggest chip being totally unfit to fight in the upper tiers.

Raja, 100%, its like a carbon copy of the fiasco that is RTG. It was predicted and the outcome is fully accurate. Ooh you have super big chips. Good job Raja, but GPU is kept competitive by building the smallest possible chip instead and making it do bigger things all the time. The hardware isnt the key, it just enables you to stack optimization on top to create competitive product.

Raja is a guy that clearly isnt about all of that: the primary focus is moar hardware, scalability in hardware, perhaps power management of hardware... we saw it with the persistant failure of pushing for HBM and multi purpose chips that do everything, and we now look at Arc that essentially makes the same mistake minus HBM. And again, driver quality id an afterthought and not core focus. Marketing Cyberpunk performance while over half the target market has long forgotten that shitstorm speaks volumes, and then barely showing anything else simply confirms all of the above. Ryan looked terrified because he knows his job wont last long at this rate

 

[Colddecked]

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Rumours are suggesting a $289-$339 MSRP for the A750.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1548201514254028801

They should just cut to the chase and price it at 199 if they want any market share.

 

[Vayra86]

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They should just cut to the chase and price it at 199 if they want any market share.

If you capture share with product sold at a loss you need to be certain future product will make up for it. Im not so sure that outlook is realistically spoken of in any board room right now...

 

[Colddecked]

If you capture share with product sold at a loss you need to be certain future product will make up for it. Im not so sure that outlook is realistically spoken of in any board room right now...

I doubt if they'd lose money if they priced it at 199. But 249 should've been their target for this for real. I mean you can find rx6600 ~270 now.

 

[medi01]

Uh, sorry, but what is the current 3060 price, if Intel has to sell a chip that is allegedly faster than it, at $199?

duductive reasoning.

I chuckled.

One doesn't need to compete at higher end, for it to be called "compete".

This is like an RX480 launching two years after the release of a 970 'to kill it'

Come on, that was never a thing.
What Raja rolled out (and yes, it was embarrassing) was "but two 480 are faster than 1080".

 

[Vayra86]

I doubt if they'd lose money if they priced it at 199. But 249 should've been their target for this for real. I mean you can find rx6600 ~270 now.

R&D is not free

 

[Colddecked]

R&D is not free

This pricing is not forward thinking. Like their target was the 3060 at ~350, but that 3060 tier is going to be 250-300 soon or they'll be up against the rx7600/4060-4050ti that's much faster at the same price.

 

[R0H1T]

Well let's say this is their first (serious) foray in anything outside of CPU's & they'll realize how good, or bad, this market can be in 6-12 months from now. RMA rates for instance of dGPU is much higher than a single chip i.e. CPU & then there's margins! If Intel is just redoing their 2012-14 foray into mobile SoC they can price it at or slightly below cost, but seeing how that ship sunk harder than the Titanic I'm betting they're also looking for good profits here.

 

[noel_fs]

a year too late

 

[Vayra86]

This pricing is not forward thinking. Like their target was the 3060 at ~350, but that 3060 tier is going to be 250-300 soon or they'll be up against the rx7600/4060-4050ti that's much faster at the same price.

They dont want to sell volume if these things.. thats the whole point.

 

[Colddecked]

They dont want to sell volume if these things.. thats the whole point.

If that's their plan then I guess pricing is ok lol.

I would be interested if the price/performance is amazing and driver's stable.

 

[ratirt]

It is never too late to release a product. If it competes with anything we will see but it has to start from something.
I remember Ryzen 1 release and people were screaming too late, bad, not good and laughs all over the place and look at Ryzen now.
This Arc is not great but not bad either. (I hope it is not bad). Expecting a 3090 or 6900xt performance from this GPU was a nonsense from the beginning. It would have never been that fast.
Maybe next gen Arc shows some more competition on a larger scale and more performance tiers. Intel trying to release a GPU with emphasis on just releasing a GPU. Competition is another story which we will hopefully see in a next gen Arc.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

I don't need to see the future, only use my brain (something I suggest you try sometime BTW) to perform duductive reasoning. To wit: if any of the Arc GPUs could compete with the current high-end ones from NVIDIA and AMD, Intel would be shouting it from the rooftops. The reality is that Intel's so confident in Arc they're only releasing it in China to begin with.

You keep coming back to this, as though there was any realistic possibility that ARC would land in that segment. Except perhaps among the absolute most optimistic and/or deluded, there was never any real, widespread expectation of anything higher than 3070 performance out of Alchemist. And we saw that erode as the timeline slipped further and further out. I'll echo several others by saying if Intel manages 6-series performance at a similar price point, that'll be a pretty solid success.

 

[NDown]

You keep coming back to this, as though there was any realistic possibility that ARC would land in that segment. Except perhaps among the absolute most optimistic and/or deluded, there was never any real, widespread expectation of anything higher than 3070 performance out of Alchemist. And we saw that erode as the timeline slipped further and further out. I'll echo several others by saying if Intel manages 6-series performance at a similar price point, that'll be a pretty solid success.

Expecting a 3090 or 6900xt performance from this GPU was a nonsense from the beginning.

watch out bro, you're gonna get owned by his superior brain, mad adhominem skillz and unmatched deductive reasoning with that kind of argument XD

It is never too late to release a product. If it competes with anything we will see but it has to start from something.
I remember Ryzen 1 release and people were screaming too late, bad, not good and laughs all over the place and look at Ryzen now.

Yeah man, its funny seeing people being mad at intel for trying to do something in the GPU market

 

[r9]

Intel claiming that they will price their gpus based on the DX11 performance if that's true the cards will be very competitively priced.
Which makes sense because they need to have those cards out for people to test basically.
Personally I wouldn't mind card that only performs great in DX12 because if you think about it DX11 are older games so they should still run descent and also I think I lot of people would just like to play with the ARC gpus.
With all that said I think that the ARC GPUs will sell like hotcakes even if there is no shortage and the new AMD/Nvidia next gen is around the corner.
they obviously would not attack the 3090/6900xt but if you look the the die size and transistor count the Arc 770 lands around 6800 non-xt so it would be completely unrealistic that it could be faster than 6800 at the very best scenario it should match it so as long they price accordingly it will be interesting thing to try out.

 

[r9]

What about raytracing on ?

From Wizz's A380 review it looks like Arc raytracig with the dedicated hardware onboard it's on pair with NVIDIA and with that said better than AMD.

a bit better than a RTX3060
with drivers that still need to mature
and RTX4000 and RDNA3 around the corner....

that price better be really right....

They promised that they will price the cards based on the DX11 titles not the optimized ones so if they hold to their word the ARC 750 should sell around $250-$300 and with every customer being a beta tester it better be $250.

 

[Assimilator]

They promised that they will price the cards based on the DX11 titles not the optimized ones so if they hold to their word the ARC 750 should sell around $250-$300 and with every customer being a beta tester it better be $250.

Intel's greed will never allow them to sell that low.