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I believe I was answering to you while you where posting.
That's where Intel's strategy is based. "How many cores do consumers need? 8 max. Why? Because most software can't/doesn't need to use more and modern consoles come with 8c/16t CPUs. What do we do to keep up with AMD? We throw little cores in the mixture. We write on the box 8+8 cores to avoid negative press and lawsuits, but we know that they will be sold to the average consumer as 16 core CPUs."
The question is. "We are being played." as you say. Are we going to not just accept that fact, but also support that? Like it? Even argue in favor of the company that tries to play as the most?
I am really curious about the 6500 XT. If I spent time in here to read comments about this card, am I going to read, from the same people who say that this hybrid design is good, positive comments about the 6500 XT? I could think a few.
4GB RAM, bad for miners, positive for gamers.
4GB RAM. Who needs more in a low end card? It keeps price down. Better than having 8GB and being more expensive.
A mobile chip. Good job AMD offering us this solution. Better than offering nothing.
Who cares about PCIe 3.0 performance because of that PCIe x4 limitation? People should move to PCIe 4.0 anyway. It probably cuts the cost of the card also. So it's good!
64 bit data bus? Bad for miners, so it is good. Who needs an 128bit data bus? We gamers have that huge amount of 16MB Infinity cache anyway.
There are probably more stuff I could think of, but better stop here. I don't like writing stuff I do not believe.
This is something of all ages and I really fail to see any difference between Intel, AMD, Nvidia or Facebook in that sense... These are corporations and they thrive on influence and on money. Cognitive dissonance, its not unique to this market either. The core principle at work here is 'I must buy, I must upgrade, because that's what I used to do, its what we're supposed to do'. Companies play on this. From birth, we are fed a narrative that consuming is good. It keeps the economy going and keeps people working which means we can live more comfortably. That narrative is pushed every day from every possible angle. Even in the face of a global pandemic where the risk of long term physical damage and even death (!) is major, we/some propose to keep working to keep the economy going. Even the non-essential parts of it. Bread and Games, we're still those idiot plebs sitting in the Colosseum watching gore and blood, except now its digital, sometimes. Such civilization.
Its not even about acceptance of the fact, is it? Its about us just not knowing any better. We must buy. We shall buy. So what if the card has 4GB. So what if the CPU has cores that hardly do a thing in practice. Money must roll, we worked hard for it, we want our dopamine shot.
Reflect. That is what I'm saying. When you start going into the detail of P/E cores and whether or not those are good or not, we've already gone way too deep down the rabbit hole. The real question is, do you need them? The marketing is of a similar nature: when we're down to that level of detail, are we not skipping past far more important indicators of performance? You said it right when you pointed it out its impossible to know everything about everything.
As for these 4GB cards and hardly progressing CPUs, they exist for exactly that reason: buy buy buy. You can upgrade your card again to a newer generation. Wooptiedoo! Finally we can buy a GPU. Only idiots, and those who have (or see) no other options, downgrade to upgrade, let's be honest here. The specs are irrelevant for that group. Anyone else with a lick of sense will skip past something that will never hold value past this dank pit of scarce product, which will eventually end as all things do.
Markets usually self-correct. Its a mistake to use a limited scope on the market to determine what's what which is my main (and only) concern with your stance on ADL right now. You could be right in the end, but you're likely not. That applies to both ADL and this 6500XT example. Isn't this all a big pile of 'who the hell cares, and why would we even care'? You just skip the product, and in doing so, you voice the fact you're not interested in it. That's how the market works. Similarly wrt to those Intel quads we've had for ten years... apparently none of these consumers felt any need to buy into Extreme CPUs that offered 6 cores or more. That literally spells that there is no market for it in regular consumer space. Fast forward to 2022 and I dare say Intel had a very good view of the demand on the market at the time, and made sound business decisions up to and including Skylake. The kicker here is, that people (gamers! consumer segment!) ARE in fact spending over 1K on board and CPU right now. That's the price point Extreme was at...
Why would there suddenly be a market now for infinitely scaling core counts? That's literally the salesman's pitch: creating a demand where there is none. Like I pointed out earlier: we are fooling ourselves with supposed demand that is not 'necessity'. And depending on the glasses you wear, you could quite simply say the same of AMD, who was first in pushing the core count 'war' that is remarkably similar to a Megapixel race, and all the other 'look at my numbers' races between companies. A neutral pair of glasses IMHO should value all of these activities the exact same: companies that want to move product, and silly customers buying the fantasy.
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