Intel Reports Findings on Missing Arrow Lake Performance, Targets Jan 2025 for 0x114 Microcode

[MxPhenom 216]

ASRock people already tired the x114 code. Nothing worth talking about. Until Intel moves the IMC back to where it was before (next CPU) or raise the D2D, NSU and ring clocks, we aren't going to get that 13/14th gen performance back.

I suspect thatll be the main upgrade for the next gen. I mean AMD has their IMC on a different die than their cores right? But i think their interconnect is faster than Intels making up for their latency hit.

 

[Chaitanya]

Even after 4 "generations" if there are issues with scheduler and Bios then there is no point in polishing that turd of hybrid mixed CPU architecture.

 

[Crackong]

Wait,
Did Intel say the same thing last month?
Saying "It will be fixed in December" ?
So now it will be "fixed again" again?

 

[watzupken]

To be honest, I am not sure if it is me, but the messaging from Intel is very confusing. A month after the release of ARL, they came out to say that the performance is not in line with their internal testing. Now, it sounds like they are testing to see where they can improve performance. So did they not already know through their internal testing? What were they testing on? Theories or estimates?

 

[Frank_100]

Even after 4 "generations" if there are issues with scheduler and Bios then there is no point in polishing that turd of hybrid mixed CPU architecture.

Latest bios update for my 5950 made a significant boost in speed.

 

[usiname]

To be honest, I am not sure if it is me, but the messaging from Intel is very confusing. A month after the release of ARL, they came out to say that the performance is not in line with their internal testing. Now, it sounds like they are testing to see where they can improve performance. So did they not already know through their internal testing? What were they testing on? Theories or estimates?

This is not the first time it happen. Back in December 2020 they showed slides with rocket lake, according them it was 10% faster than 10th gen's 10900k in gaming, then 4 months later 11900k was released. It was slower than 10900k. Intel was surprised, they didn't know what is going on and the investigation started and the patches started to rolling out and in the end they never reached the performance claims despite that they already had better BIOS half year ago. The truth is that they faked the benchmark numbers for their slides and hoped to reach this performance level later. Doesn't it look familiar to you? I got deja vu

 

[Bwaze]

"Core Ultra "Arrow Lake-S" desktop processors, which the company released this October...

Long story short—most of these issues are already addressed,..."

But it's not short, it goes on for paragraphs, in an embarrassingly detailed description of failure upon failure. Really, you missed all that somehow? Don't you ever benchmark and test your product before release? Well, at least it seems it's not destroying itself (but might after the fix overclock.)

"Intel says that the Microcode should cause a "single digit percentage performance enhancement" across games. "

Right now they're 13.2% slower in TechPowerUP review at 1080p, compared to AMD 9800X3D. A cheaper CPU.

I suspect this number will increase to at least 20% with the review of Nvidia RTX 5090. Which will in my opinion come before the Intel SlowArrow (TM) fixes.

 

[unruheherd]

Something tells me there won’t actually be a significant performance uplift, let alone one of “up to 30%”.

I'm not certain if Intel can leverage the benefits in Windows with new updates. But the performance with Linux applications is looking much more favorable for arrow lake according to phoronix testing, so there's hope for a windows update to improve performance

 

[docnorth]

This reminds me of the tragic first months with our 3700x, very unstable, almost impossible to keep noise acceptable and temps <85°C and and and...

Funny thing, 5 years later it works fine for its age, consumes less and the water-cooling now seems overkill.

 

[dirtyferret]

But if you play at a higher resolution, max settings it doesn't matter which CPU you pick.

yes and you can make a case for the CPUs in certain areas "but" you and I and others know as GPUs become more powerful the gap between those CPUs will widen even at higher resolutions with each generation which would impact those who don't build/buy a new PC that often yet do upgrade their GPUs (niche group yes but they are out there)

 

[chrcoluk]

Guess we await new reviews in Feb 2025? As Intel claims need to be validated.

Most of the improvements should apparently be already here, the sheet, suggests the microcode is offering the smallest improvement out of everything listed.

 

[LittleBro]

People who tested beta version of new microcode say this is a design flaw which cannot be fixed by any software update.

With Arrow Lake, Intel moved IMC out of the compute pile, thus the latency penalties and lower performance.

 

[W1zzard]

Arrow Lake Retested with Latest 24H2 Updates and New BIOS

Yesterday, Intel announced that they had root-caused the majority of Arrow Lake Core Ultra 200 performance problems, and that OS updates are already available. We tested Windows 11 24H2 with the new patches, and also compare results with 23H2 and a new motherboard BIOS.

www.techpowerup.com

 

[ir_cow]

Arrow Lake Retested with Latest 24H2 Updates and New BIOS

Yesterday, Intel announced that they had root-caused the majority of Arrow Lake Core Ultra 200 performance problems, and that OS updates are already available. We tested Windows 11 24H2 with the new patches, and also compare results with 23H2 and a new motherboard BIOS.

www.techpowerup.com

Looks like from that article the best thing to do is patch 24H2 to the newest. Next stop 0x114.

 

[Fazio98]

After Asrock released 2 new beta bioses for their Z890 motherboards on December 17th and December 19th with CPU microcode 0x114 and ME updates Asus has followed now with bios updated for their Z890 motherboards.The Asus bios updates contain the 0x114 CPU microcode and ME firmware update to version 19.0.0.1827.
Some Asus bios updates got:

1. Intel microcode updated to 0x114
2. M.R.C updated to v1.4.6.64.
3. ME FW updated to v19.0.0.1827.
4. GOP updated to v1057.
5. RST VMD updated to v20.1.0.5850.
6. Improved memory compatibility and stability for frequencies >6000MHz; added CUDIMM Dual PLL mode.
7. Enabled Wi-Fi 7 (320MHz) and Wi-Fi 6E (6GHz) support for multiple countries.