Intel Skylake De-lidded, Reveals Tiny Die

[Basard]

Go figure... somebody can design a chip with billions of transistors in it but they can't do something that almost every PC builder can.

 

[Naito]

If enthusiasts are such tiny minority, then why do they have entire product line aimed exclusively at them (the E variants)?

Xeon scraps. High margins.

Compared to the large number of machines like Acer Veritons I see shifted, enthusiasts are a small minority.

I consider myself an Intel fanboy and I'm also very disappointed by the continued use of crappy TIM. An 18 degree drop is absolutely massive and could easily be the difference between a mediocre overclock and a decent one. Throw us a frickin' bone Intel!

It's possible, that due to the density and size of the die, the heat required to bind the heat spreader would kill the chip.

I'm not making excuses for Intel here, just trying to present a sensible, logical argument. Personally I believe the 1151 platform has been pushed dangerously close to the 2011-3 platform in price and some of its value has been lost as a result.

 

[Prima.Vera]

lol. looks like a CPU for mobiles

 

[Joss]

This is all due to lack of competition.
If AMD had by now a replacement for the FX-8350 we'd be talking of a different Skylake.

 

[Sony Xperia S]

big businesses are probably looking to cut their carbon footprint and save money.

Cutting carbon footprint and at the same time cutting computational performance. Too strong compromise, don't you think.

So, Thanks but no.

Would you be smarter to give us energy which does not have carbon footprint at all and leads to maximum performance instead, so we can solve problems quicker and enjoy better entertainment?

 

[Agreemenot]

And the milking machine continues. Seems like some have forgotten or understand what PC means.

I wonder if this is part of some strategy/tactic or just for profit and streamlining.

To release a TIM one on tock and then a soldered one on tick. Or on the same tick but with a "Refresh" like with Haswell. To put it simply, as it probably involves sales figures and response/reception from the consumers/community.

 

[TheLostSwede]

What I don't understand is how the 6700K is more expensive than both the 5775C (which has a more "advanced" GPU and 128MB on package cache) and the 5820K. Intels pricing this time around is just wrong, wrong, wrong.

 

[BorisDG]

Why nobody still not delided Broadwell???

 

[Naito]

Cutting carbon footprint and at the same time cutting computational performance. Too strong compromise, don't you think.

I wasn't aware the performance between the last few generations of CPUs declined along with power usage. But seriously, they've not only maintained performance, but also increased it each generation. If say 10% performance increase per generation from Sandy Bridge to Skylake one would assume Skylake is 30% at the same clock rate. Then you include the fact Skylake clocks well and has a platform with much more modern feature set, it's not bad value at all (but encroaching into 2011-3 price territory).

And again, quantum mechanics limits clock speeds.

 

[rtwjunkie]

oh god ALL CPU in the past had solder i forgot that, also where the manufacturing cost the same?

Yes, remember the last soldered ones, the Sandy Bridge CPU's? And not overpriced either, so I don't think it's that much of a cost issue on their part. I think it's not having serious competition, so why spend money for great heat dissipation when they can get by with just "good"?

Hopefully when AMD releases real competitive chip, Intel hasn't forgotten how to solder.

 

[vega22]

Yes, remember the last soldered ones, the Sandy Bridge CPU's? And not overpriced either, so I don't think it's that much of a cost issue on their part. I think it's not having serious competition, so why spend money for great heat dissipation when they can get by with just "good"?

Hopefully when AMD releases real competitive chip, Intel hasn't forgotten how to solder.

intel was worried about bulldozer 2 or piledriver or some shit back then.

like how the 980ti is such a good card (for the money by nvidia standards) today, they we concerned about fury and brought their A game.

i am hoping amd's move to 16 or 14nm will force intel to stop dialing them in too. but more i hope intel shows us what they can do, and not just what they need to do you know.

you can see by looking at that they could of made this their 1st mainstream oct or hex core with ease. fuckers.

 

[64K]

imo Intel needs a good push from AMD. Whether they will get it with Zen I don't know yet.
I remember a couple of years ago when Skylake was just beginning to be discussed on tech forums that people had high hopes for a large performance increase. It was said that the team working on Skylake was the same team that brought us Sandy Bridge. Companies just don't do their best unless they have serious competition. It's human nature I guess to do only what you have to to get by.

 

[radrok]

I don't think you guys really appreciate how much Intel has improved in perf/watt wise and we're also reaching a point where squeezing out IPC is becoming harder and harder.

This 10% IPC over Haswell may not mean a lot on a quad core CPU, but think of what this will bring to Xeon behemoths, remember +10% each core and more cores because they are smaller, coupled with increased performance per watt has some ingredients for insane big dies CPUs.

Enthusiasts are a small part of Intel's revenue, don't be surprised if they are focusing on IGP plus perf/watt for consumers and perf/watt plus core scalability for enterprise businesses.

 

[GhostRyder]

I'm not sure what to go with. Skylake 6700k quad-core or Haswell-E 5820k hex-core. Price wise they are around the same, but Skylake is 14nm and clocked higher. Having 6 cores and 12 threads is tempting though. I had my i7 920 with 8 threads when most people were still on dual cores and normal 4 thread quads...

But I think higher clock with less cores would benefit me more since I'm more into gaming and 4C-8T configuration already serves me well.

I would get the 5820K, hands down as I have seen the reviews of skylake and its pretty abysmal. More cores, similar single threaded performance (Maybe an up to 5% difference), more PCIE lanes, etc.

This does not surprise me, they refuse to solder to keep the profit margins as high as possible and it probably satisfies another couple of needs like limiting the overclocks (saves people from killing chips with extreme clocks), gives room for "Enthusiast grade" versions (Devils canyon), and keeping the next generation more relevant. Sandy Bridge was so great that people kept them for so long for a reason...

 

[Sony Xperia S]

I don't think you guys really appreciate how much Intel

I will appreciate only when they allow AMD to be competitive again. We do not need a single supplier who does whatever they want without any punishment, in a monopoly environment.

 

[Iceni]

Your all moaning about nothing.

Soldered IHS means lapping. TIM means delidding.

If I had a choice I would choose a water free delid to lapping any day of the week.

It wasn't so long ago that CPU's didn't have an IHS at all.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Yes and I do not see why you are so shocked.

Reduce die size even further and you will see even bigger performance drop.

Increase the die, for example twice or quadruple, get rid of the graphics part which people won't use anyways, and you will get a very beautiful multiple-core processing unit.

No graphics part? They have that, its their HDET platform. More cores, no IGP.

I will appreciate only when they allow AMD to be competitive again. We do not need a single supplier who does whatever they want without any punishment, in a monopoly environment.

Why is it up to them for AMD to get their head out of their asses? So what you want Intel to stall their R&D, production, etc. So AMD can catch up? Not going to happen.

 

[radrok]

Why is it up to them for AMD to get their head out of their asses? So what you want Intel to stall their R&D, production, etc. So AMD can catch up? Not going to happen.

Agreed, besides AMD also helped itself on its current situation, poor management overall coupled with incompetent business decisions. They had a chance to strike back when Conroe landed, yet they buried their heads up their sunless-place.

Intel won't jack up prices anymore significantly, it's a monopoly yes, but they are competing with themselves. They will need to remain competitive price wise with what they offered in the past if they want to sell in volumes.

HEDT platform on the other hand... That's pony up and pay.

 

[BorisDG]

Delided Broadwell - 5775C for those that are interesed:

 

[avatar82]

it was always my understanding that the engineers at Intel only look at TDP when designing the heatspreader/die contact solution. TDP of 140W or higher needs solder, TDP of 139 or lower doesn't. it has nothing to do with cost, model number, or anything sinister. using solder on low TDP parts is over engineered.

that's my understanding anyway.

 

[Sony Xperia S]

Delided Broadwell - 5775C for those that are interesed:

It is so much bigger, anyone has an estimate for Skylake's die area? 150 mm² ?

 

[AsRock]

Man, you have a lot of pent-up rage for Intel...

Actually agree with him this time.

not only Intel ... unfortunately

Yeah but come on Intel skimping like this is pretty dam lame so he does have a point.

And lets face it prices keep creeping upwards and K versions don't come with coolers so i am sure they could solder them.

In fact i think the K ones should come soldered and none K paste.

 

[cadaveca]

Simply put, the TIM is fine. I run 4.8 GHz, pulling just 100W at high load, and the chip hits 75c under a Corsair H90.

The fact I can push 100W+ through that tiny chip in and of itself is pretty amazing.

 

[Joss]

Delided Broadwell - 5775C for those that are interesed:

What are those two dies? Is one the iGPU?

 

[Tatty_Two]

I will appreciate only when they allow AMD to be competitive again. We do not need a single supplier who does whatever they want without any punishment, in a monopoly environment.

The only people that will "allow" AMD to be competitive again is AMD, no one else is stopping them, in fact AMD have much more incentive to be competitive as they are the ones that are behind in performance terms, it sounds as though you blame everyone but AMD for their performance woe's.