Intel to be Slapped with Greatest Fine in EU History

[a111087]

i think Intel could pay that much and will be completely fine

 

[Morgoth]

intel dont pay to eu!

 

[btarunr]

*sighs* I don't think anyone knows how to read.

No arguments please. Knowing how to read is one thing, having the patience to read an entire ~50 post thread is another. Anyway, that's out of topic.

 

[Easy Rhino]

*sighs* I don't think anyone knows how to read. Go read japan's anti-trust suit and AMD's case against them.

Let me put it like this: You're a car dealer. You want to have nissans and GM cars on your lot. You try to buy nissans, then GM call you up. They tell you if you buy more than 10% nissan, not only will they charge high prices for their cars, they may just cut your supply completely, ruining your business.

i dont see anything wrong with this scenario......

edit: and i would like to point out that this action by the EU has nothing to do with being "fair" in the business world. it has to do with the EU putting billions of dollars into what they call "Silicon Saxony" in Germany where there are 3 major chip manufacturers, AMD being one of them. These manufacturers who fabricate the AMD chips cant get any business now and that means AMD can't make a profit on their new "Asset Light" strategy. So the EU is gonna fine the crap outta Intel. You can google all of this information if you want.

 

[ArmoredCavalry]

i think Intel could pay that much and will be completely fine

I agree.

 

[TheGuruStud]

I give up. I guess people love monopolies. That always leads to advancement and better prices for the consumers.

Removing competition by force is neither legal nor ethical. It ruins industry and freedom of choice in products.

 

[Easy Rhino]

I give up. I guess people love monopolies. That always leads to advancement and better prices for the consumers.

Removing competition by force is neither legal nor ethical. It ruins industry and freedom of choice in products.

Intel is not removing its competition by force. It is removing it through better business practices and savvy business deals. What is not ethical is a giant arm of the government pushing around a business so that the govt can recoup part of its "investment." Let's face it, AMD would not be in this situation if it had a much better business model and competent people running the company.

 

[trt740]

Ouch , but thats not all that much to intel.

 

[erocker]

I'd rather see Intel pull out of the EU than pay them. Just another form of government looking for money.

 

[h3llb3nd4]

well what you can do is buy more AMD products...

 

[DrPepper]

I agree with easyrhino. If AMD did similar deals they wouldn't be in such a dire position. Also its hard for intel not to monopolise the cpu industry when it own x86 and giving it to other companies will risk their future.

 

[newtekie1]

Really, in my eyes, Intel has done nothing wrong. Business offer exclusivity discounts all the time, it is just a way of modern business. When you deal with suppliers, they all are going to give you discounts if you deal with them only and not their competitors.

Intel did not force anyone to not use AMD, they simply gave discounts to those how used only Intel. Nothing was stopping AMD from making the same offers, and I highly doubt they didn't make the same types of deals. The companies that accepted Intel's deal could have easily said no and used both companies.

This is really one of those deals where every other governing body accepts this practice because there is nothing wrong with it in the business world, it is a part of competition, but the EU suddenly makes it illegal and picks the biggest company it can to hand down a huge fine.

They would have to make the fines a lot bigger than that then wont they.

$1 Billion is a huge amount of money, a nice injection into a failing economy.

 

[DaMulta]

I don't see why AMD wouldn't get any of this money seeing that they were the company affected. I guess they can turn around and sue them after a win?

 

[h3llb3nd4]

Everyone needs to save every penny right now, so I doubt intel will go down without a big fight...

 

[DrPepper]

I don't see why AMD wouldn't get any of this money seeing that they were the company affected. I guess they can turn around and sue them after a win?

Wouldn't via or ibm be entitled ?

 

[moto666]

"Intel did not force anyone to not use AMD, they simply gave discounts to those how used only Intel. Nothing was stopping AMD from making the same offers, and I highly doubt they didn't make the same types of deals. The companies that accepted Intel's deal could have easily said no and used both companies."

Yeah You Sure???
Like You was there or something...

 

[hat]

Sigh... this isn't even news anymore. The court has become grounds for pissing contests, let's see who can sucessfully sue the most.

 

[DaedalusHelios]

I don't see why AMD wouldn't get any of this money seeing that they were the company affected. I guess they can turn around and sue them after a win?

Both AMD and intel do not deserve free money. I would like to see the EU quit playing around in the market like its an ethical body of government when we all know it does not have our best interests in mind with these fees.

 

[Exceededgoku]

Where does the money go to?! I hope to god that at least some of it goes AMDs way, otherwise justice has been perverted by the EU once again. Seriously fed up of the EU just fining corporations in todays economic environment... And I'm glad as hell that most people in the UK don't take the EU as a real entity :lol:

 

[Bl4ck]

Really, in my eyes, Intel has done nothing wrong. Business offer exclusivity discounts all the time, it is just a way of modern business. When you deal with suppliers, they all are going to give you discounts if you deal with them only and not their competitors.

Intel did not force anyone to not use AMD, they simply gave discounts to those how used only Intel. Nothing was stopping AMD from making the same offers, and I highly doubt they didn't make the same types of deals. The companies that accepted Intel's deal could have easily said no and used both companies.

This is really one of those deals where every other governing body accepts this practice because there is nothing wrong with it in the business world, it is a part of competition, but the EU suddenly makes it illegal and picks the biggest company it can to hand down a huge fine.



$1 Billion is a huge amount of money, a nice injection into a failing economy.

well my point of view isn't . Intel vs. Nvidia, Intel vs. AMD , (first ION platform and the threat's that Intel isn't going to sell Atom's without their old 945 chipset, second creating Foundry by AMD and licensing X86 to Foundry by AMD , also worth to mention the Nvidia vs. intel licencse for the Nehalem mainboard chipsets. Threats like these are not the "free market" standards , also giving "bribes" to political agendas or any kind of governments (just like intel did) is also a bribe and not "incentive" . As far as i know the intel EU trial started in year 2000 or so , back then in 2001 if i recall correctly Intel was found guilty in Asia markets for the same illegal practices. You know if someone is giving "free" software or another "free stuff" ect. it is still a bribe. Back then AMD had better hardware , AMD's Athlon XP's where better then Inferior Pentium 4. Just check in google for Intel's illegal business procedures.

 

[Morgoth]

I'd rather see Intel pull out of the EU than pay them. Just another form of government looking for money.

agreed with that allready got my Intel cpu
if intel pays it it does not go to amd it stays in the EU

 

[newtekie1]

Yeah You Sure???
Like You was there or something...

If you read the article, or any others about the subject, you can be as sure as I am. The people in this thread seem to want to say Intel was forcing companies to use only Intel products, but the articles do not even imply that. Intel was giving heavy discounts to companies to use only Intel products, but they never forced them to do it. The companies could have easily said no to Intel and used products from other companies, Dell did it.

well my point of view isn't . Intel vs. Nvidia, Intel vs. AMD , (first ION platform and the threat's that Intel isn't going to sell Atom's without their old 945 chipset, second creating Foundry by AMD and licensing X86 to Foundry by AMD , also worth to mention the Nvidia vs. intel licencse for the Nehalem mainboard chipsets. Threats like these are not the "free market" standards , also giving "bribes" to political agendas or any kind of governments (just like intel did) is also a bribe and not "incentive" . As far as i know the intel EU trial started in year 2000 or so , back then in 2001 if i recall correctly Intel was found guilty in Asia markets for the same illegal practices. You know if someone is giving "free" software or another "free stuff" ect. it is still a bribe. Back then AMD had better hardware , AMD's Athlon XP's where better then Inferior Pentium 4. Just check in google for Intel's illegal business procedures.

Unfortunately, none of those "shady" dealings had anything to do with this.

The Nehalem chipset licensing issue was that nVidia didn't want to pay Intel to license the QPI tech, they want Intel to give it to them and let them use it for free. By the time nVidia finally realized Intel wasn't going to do that(and why would they), it was already too late for nVidia. The only person to blame there is nVidia.

Bribing political bodies it a bold claim, where are you getting this information from?

 

[BarbaricSoul]

I honestly dont care if Intel is in the wrong or in the right, if the companies that were hurt by Intel's actions aren't gonna get any(IMHO,they should get ALL of it) of the money, this is not right or justified.

 

[WhiteLotus]

I don't see why everyone is bashing the EU here. The news post states that Intel have also been found guilty of doing this in Korea and there is also a suit against them in Japan. The "absurd" fine of $1Billion is inflated simply because the EU is... well... much much much BIGGER, and therefore effects more companies, business and consumers than in Korea and Japan.

 

[Easy Rhino]

Notice the money goes to the EU and not AMD... the EU is a bunch of fascists who make up laws to steal money from businesses. Please, everyone read up on Silicon Saxony and how it is failing big time and the EU has billions invested in it. AMD is one of the companies operating there and if AMD dies, which most speculators believe will happen in some way by 2011, then the EU will have lost billions in "investments." This is why you do not want your government to ever use private tax payer money to invest in companies.