Intel Wants to Ship "Millions of Arc GPUs" to PC Gamers Every Year

[AusWolf]

All you really need do is check reviews of Xe, in use in game's to know this is not going to go smoothly, due to driver issues, with some games unplayable.

I hope that will be fixed by the time of the dGPU release (though I'm doubtful).

 

[Raevenlord]

OMG Raja twittered!

Make news!

I believe the actual news is in analyzing whether Raja's claims for alleviating supply constraints for gamers are worth their weight.

 

[Space Lynx]

They are literally welcome, but the first step would be to finally start shipping GPU's, not leaks and tweets.

based on all of the news I have read on Intel in last two months, they really love talking a lot of **** lately. take it with a grain of salt and move on. not much to see here.

 

[AsRock]

All you really need do is check reviews of Xe, in use in game's to know this is not going to go smoothly, due to driver issues, with some games unplayable.

To be fair you got to expect problems, issue is though will they solve the problems before support ends for said item.

And I want a million dollars…

hehe, like a spoiled brat.

 

[Space Lynx]

I''ve been an AMD protector for too long, only for them to kick me in the nuts with bulls#$t paper launches and then slap fans across the face with the joke of a GPU that is the 6500XT, and don't even get me started with Nvidia. The question is can Intel(a company I used to despise) deliver on their promise of improved GPU availability? I really hope they can walk the talk. I'm disillusioned to the point where I am just going to let my PC continue as is with 5 year old components ,and when it finally dies just move to my console for gaming and work off a minimum spec laptop for productivity. Screw the corporations if they want my money, they have to friggen earn it!

historically speaking, all gpu and cpu launches were vast majority paper launches. not just AMD.

 

[trsttte]

Intel is going to save pc gaming by making gpus at TSMC.

No matter how many times this is explained, people still peddle the same argument.

Production capacity is negotiated months/years in advance. Whatever production AMD bought or not won't change because Intel will now use whatever they also bought. Intel was already a huge TSMC customer, not necessarily on leading nodes, but they did a lot of stuff there (and it's likely they were sitting on capacity in case 10nm/Intel 7 didn't pan out again). Intel will also leverage their own packaging facilities instead of putting the entire load on TSMC.

TSMC is spread quite thin but Intel using their share of the pie for GPUs can only help supply. It's unlikely to solve the problem, maybe it makes nothing more than a small dent (since demand is really high), but it will still help.

 

[Vayra86]

I believe the actual news is in analyzing whether Raja's claims for alleviating supply constraints for gamers are worth their weight.

Yeah, this is true, although analysis... more like, where is the confirmation he's talking out of his ass once again.

You found it, whichever way we put it At least the man (Raja) is consistent!

 

[Punkenjoy]

The quote should be Intel want to "Sell" Millions of Arc GPU.

When i think quickly about this, i am like: Yes, a third player in the market, that can only help to create a price wars.

But when i think at the current state of the market where there is a shortage of production capacities and components, my thinking go towards: That can only lead to a bid wars for manufacturing resources, customers will have to absorb this.


i still have no idea on how it's going to pan out. but i am not that much optimistic. I think the real loser there might be AMD as so many Nvidia buyers just buy the name and they will buy Nvidia no matter what.

 

[LemmingOverlord]

Sure sure why not

EU Court Withdraws €1.06 billion Intel Antitrust Fine

Remember that €1.06 billion antitrust lawsuit that Intel was slapped with by the European Commission back in 2009? It's ok if you don't, but it involved Intel being accused of "market malpractice, by influencing computer hardware manufacturers to postpone and/or cancel launches of their products...

www.techpowerup.com

Hypocritical European Union does it again. They've taken away the fine, so that Intel would invest in a chip fab in Germany.

The quote should be Intel want to "Sell" Millions of Arc GPU.

When i think quickly about this, i am like: Yes, a third player in the market, that can only help to create a price wars.

But when i think at the current state of the market where there is a shortage of production capacities and components, my thinking go towards: That can only lead to a bid wars for manufacturing resources, customers will have to absorb this.


i still have no idea on how it's going to pan out. but i am not that much optimistic. I think the real loser there might be AMD as so many Nvidia buyers just buy the name and they will buy Nvidia no matter what.

Completely agree. Capacity is a zero sum game. Intel ARC is built on TSMC's 6nm node. This means AMD will have lower allocation for their Rembrandt CPUs, which will lead in a price hike on the CPU side, and probably not lowering any prices in the GPU arena.

 

[phanbuey]

Hypocritical European Union does it again. They've taken away the fine, so that Intel would invest in a chip fab in Germany.


Completely agree. Capacity is a zero sum game. Intel ARC is built on TSMC's 6nm node. This means AMD will have lower allocation for their Rembrandt CPUs, which will lead in a price hike on the CPU side, and probably not lowering any prices in the GPU arena.

That's only true if you have completely static capacity and are also the limiting factor. None of which is true for TSMC.

TSMC's initial capacity issues were due to pre-emptive halving of production due to an assumption that covid would tank demand. This is not the case with the 6nm node. TSMC is reportedly not even the limiting factor for GPUs on 7nm anymore. Combine that with the fact that Crypto is now in a bear market...

I think the opposite will happen, as it always seems to -- crypto will enter a bear market, coin prices will drop, and flood of used 3080s 3080tis, 3090s etc. will hit the market with the next gfx card cycle when better mining cards are out and overall prices will plummet.

If intel doesn't hurry up and release these GPUs sooner rather than later they will be stuck trying to pedal 3070 performance in a market where used 3070s and 3080s are dirt cheap.

 

[mechtech]

Now that's a cringe worthy pic lol

edit if they plan on using TSMC latest and greatest nodes along with everyone else. Good luck shipping millions. Maybe over several years

 

[Anymal]

Translation: intel wants a piece of the cake

Nowadays when own semiconductor factory is ... Intel will prosper. It will be biblical, heheh, joke aside we the end customers will have better options.

 

[aQi]

Does anyone have Raja Kadori's email address ??? I need to email him as well.

 

[TheDeeGee]

Tired of these teases the past 5 years, release your damn product already.

 

[chstamos]

By this point in time, intel is bound to suprise us when they release the ARC, no matter how well it performs or how good the drivers are. Just the fact that they released the thing, instead of talking about it, will be a shock in itself. What's the last GPU that was talked about for 4 damn years, straight? 3dfx Rampage? Bitboys Oy whatsamacalled it? PowerVR3? (well, at least that one got released, as the monumentally unimpressive Kyro).

And I find it funny how people wonder whether intel will have "an i740 failure in their hands" with ARC. i740 was actually rather good for the dirt-cheap price it went for. It was bad as a cutting edge 3D accelerator, but it was not all that bad for such a cheap card. If intel released an RX570-performing part with mediocre drivers, at 100 bucks, today, that would be i740 for 2022.

 

[eidairaman1]

Good luck with a product that has yet to arrive, if it ever will, i smell larrabbee again

Id rather see a PowerVR GPU

 

[trsttte]

Completely agree. Capacity is a zero sum game. Intel ARC is built on TSMC's 6nm node. This means AMD will have lower allocation for their Rembrandt CPUs, which will lead in a price hike on the CPU side, and probably not lowering any prices in the GPU arena.

Again, no...

No matter how many times this is explained, people still peddle the same argument.

Production capacity is negotiated months/years in advance. Whatever production AMD bought or not won't change because Intel will now use whatever they also bought. Intel was already a huge TSMC customer, not necessarily on leading nodes, but they did a lot of stuff there (and it's likely they were sitting on capacity in case 10nm/Intel 7 didn't pan out again). Intel will also leverage their own packaging facilities instead of putting the entire load on TSMC.

AMD bought what it bought predicting the demand they predicted. If demand increases they migth try to buy some more if there's something left - from someone who isn't using their share - which there isn't because everyone is fighting for the same thing - like the huge payouts already being given to TSMC for 4nm and 3nm which aren't even ready yet for example.

 

[Cutechri]

Intel, give us a 3070 level card with decent pricing, good availability, good driver support and a hefty amount of VRAM. You will take the market by storm. You don't need a 3090 Tie level card, you need what everyone with more brains than money wants.

 

[AnarchoPrimitiv]

Isn't Intel having TSMC produce these? And isn't TSMC already at max capacity? So can someone explain to me how Intel will magically alleviate shortages?

 

[Cutechri]

Isn't Intel having TSMC produce these? And isn't TSMC already at max capacity? So can someone explain to me how Intel will magically alleviate shortages?

They won't, but a girl can dream.

 

[Sabotaged_Enigma]

TSMC process node. I don't see any guarantee. All I see is that there's limited resources and now here comes another one who tries to take a bite.

 

[Markosz]

"Intel is our only hope"

Well, we are doomed then. Intel only sees how overpriced the GPU market currently is and just want to jump in with their usual overpriced stuff.

 

[Assimilator]

Man I'm gonna be so happy when Arc finally launches and it's complete garbage and we can all go back to hoping for a competent third player in the dGPU market.

 

[mama]

So do it already!!!! Ship them!!!!

 

[Imouto]

You know it is not going to happen if Raja says it.